Should Superman stand for the American way? What even is the American way anymore?
Should Superman stand for the American way? What even is the American way anymore?
Charles Carter
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Dominic Thompson
Yes.
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Isaiah Evans
This topic has been done to death since the 80's
Gabriel Wright
If Superman continued to stand for the "American way", he'd be blowing up hospitals in the Middle East, handing out Assault Rifles to children, and depriving citizens of affordable medical care. He has to be better than America if he wants to keep being a hero.
Daniel Torres
Do the Jews who write this ever worry that this is the stuff that gets them a job making lamps?
Juan Stewart
>What even is the American way anymore?
Get rich no matter what you have to do.
Colton Brown
YOU FOOL.
YOU'VE INVOKED THE DEMON.
Parker Davis
>“The idea that with Superman you get truth, justice, and the American way. It’s such an Americana, cornball idea, you can even blow it off, but if you really break down what it means: Truth isn't something we can take for granted anymore. There’s a lot of people selling a truth. Justice, we now know, is not for everyone. And the American way, the idea that someone can come here, and live, and be free, these ideas are no longer cliche, they are no longer absolute. They are under siege, they are under debate, some of it is in deep crisis, and the fact that there is a character who deeply respects these ideas… it may be his religion.
Hudson Perez
Lets see what Wikipedia has on this
>The American Way of life is individualistic, dynamic, and pragmatic. It affirms the supreme value and dignity of the individual; it stresses incessant activity on his part, for he is never to rest but is always to be striving to "get ahead"; it defines an ethic of self-reliance, merit, and character, and judges by achievement: "deeds, not creeds" are what count. The "American Way of Life" is humanitarian, "forward-looking", optimistic. Americans are easily the most generous and philanthropic people in the world, in terms of their ready and unstinting response to suffering anywhere on the globe. The American believes in progress, in self-improvement, and quite fanatically in education. But above all, the American is idealistic. Americans cannot go on making money or achieving worldly success simply on its own merits; such "materialistic" things must, in the American mind, be justified in "higher" terms, in terms of "service" or "stewardship" or "general welfare"... And because they are so idealistic, Americans tend to be moralistic; they are inclined to see all issues as plain and simple, black and white, issues of morality.
>William Herberg, Protestant, Catholic, Jew: an Essay in American religious sociology
Matthew Allen
Bendis thinks he's super smart and the first person to ever think of this tired horseshit, just like JMS, color me surprised
Alexander Rodriguez
>Stands for truth
>Lies about his secret identity and a bunch of other stuff
What did he mean by this?
Carter Thomas
I remember this cheap comic on the creators of Superman; the page that tells how scammed out of the character they were said
>This is the truth: there is no justice. It's the American Way.
Alexander Campbell
The mistakes of people don't reflect on an Idea. That's the reason American's pledge allegiance to the flag and all that it stands for not the president or current politics because to quote Batman "An Idea is incorruptible".
Nathan Robinson
How do you deal with the "disguise" now that Clark Kent is a more fleshed out character than he was 50 yeara ago?
Alexander Rogers
>missing the point this hard
Julian Stewart
The Clark Kent and Superman identities are no different from the masks we all wear every day. Kent isn't a phony disguise any more than who you are when you're at work is. You act differently in different social settings, and Superman does as well.
David Rogers
pic related
Jose Ramirez
He should, but no imprint is going to call out China the way Truth, Justice and the American Way were jabs at the Warsaw Pact.
In the game of moral relativism the only one who is guilty of anything is yourself.
Easton Bell
ever since American Apparel went to shit I just don't know any more
is he still fucking hot bitches he doesn't know?
how about them guns he was always so fond of? still shooting crooks with them because they won't hand over their emails, right?
Kayden Gomez
>moral relativism
Take your boogieman and go
Jack Carter
William White
I mean the American way part was sort of put there to keep weirdos from claiming the character was a secret commie because one of his primary antagonists is literally Bougie McBourgeois. However Supes has always been an immigrant story and dealt with assimilation and cultural identity. I mean along with being a Moses allegory.
Luke Campbell
Ideas are easily corruptible. Some things grow into horrible ideas.
Dylan Clark
Orangeman bullies short fat Koreans with bad haircuts?
Benjamin Evans
>What even is the American way anymore
Serve corporations and rich people because greed is good and money is speech.
Benjamin Mitchell
>and a bunch of other stuff
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Ian Mitchell
>That's the reason American's pledge allegiance to the flag and all that it stands for
But all the flag stands for is what the current administration and jingoistic decision makers say it stands for. You literally were not allowed to criticize the war on Iraq for years because it meant you were against America. And now doing a silent protest at a football game is claimed to be an affront against the flag because it's offensive to make political protests during a superfluous portion of the game that is funded by the government and exists solely to promote military propaganda.
Austin Powell
They weren't scammed out of it, they reached an agreement and didn't anticipate how much money could be made off of him afterwards and wanted a cut of it.
William Reyes
Superman will always stand for the american way. He will stand for it even when we, americans, forget what the american way truly means
Grayson Turner
Now Superman is the less fleshed out part.
Logan Barnes
I just realise that whole thing is kinda dumb when you realise that super is standing there, in krypton ian garb, with his parents emblem on his chest, using his krypton ian powers to benefit society.
Super stands out from humanity, he wears his kryptonian heritage on hi chest. he has a fucking monument to it in the arctic.
Supes holds onto his culture and heritage.
Leo Brooks
Didn't Martha Kent make that costume for him? Also, using his alien habilities to help humankind isn't contradictory to Hitman's speech
Leo Baker
A little self congradulatory but not innaccurate for the kind of America that Clark came from. I would also point out that the American Way is Republicanism - as in, the democratic system of government.
But yes, while not accurate for America today, this is definitely what Clark believes in.
>"deeds, not creeds" are what count.
>Americans cannot go on making money or achieving worldly success simply on its own merits; such "materialistic" things must, in the American mind, be justified in "higher" terms, in terms of "service" or "stewardship" or "general welfare"
This is the part that's become the most untrue, and its hurt America the most. We pursue success for it's own sake, and we identify people by their beliefs rather than who they are.