Chapter 51

Chase Rivera
Chase Rivera

Chapter 51: Nick Fury and the Squadron Supreme

Ultimate Marvel in chronological order by page/panel.

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Isaac Jenkins
Isaac Jenkins

Test

Nathaniel Sanchez
Nathaniel Sanchez

I can’t stop associating this artists with that hilarious comic series about the Bad Superheroes and the former Leader of the Avengers, of which all their names escape me

Isaac Brooks
Isaac Brooks

Nextwave?

Adrian Morgan
Adrian Morgan

Helps if I post a picture with my message

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Aiden Phillips
Aiden Phillips

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James Morales
James Morales

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Nolan Wood
Nolan Wood

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Liam Moore
Liam Moore

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Aiden Howard
Aiden Howard

Yeah, Thanks. I’ve seen the robot kept his personality from there, what about the others?

Jayden Butler
Jayden Butler

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Brayden King
Brayden King

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Easton Jones
Easton Jones

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Thomas Howard
Thomas Howard

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Adrian Smith
Adrian Smith

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Jordan Roberts
Jordan Roberts

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Jack Edwards
Jack Edwards

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Michael Torres
Michael Torres

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Jaxon Foster
Jaxon Foster

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Alexander Gray
Alexander Gray

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Sebastian Rodriguez
Sebastian Rodriguez

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Eli Nguyen
Eli Nguyen

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Lucas Hall
Lucas Hall

What others?

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Xavier Richardson
Xavier Richardson

Oh yeah, best Shocker story incoming!

Nolan Wood
Nolan Wood

Dammit, I was so busy reading that I forgot to mention that was my favorite Ultimate single issue

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Zachary Bennett
Zachary Bennett

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Christopher Butler
Christopher Butler

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Adam Hughes
Adam Hughes

That Boom Boom mutant girl
I think Elsa Bloodstone was always like that
Has the Captain ever showed up again? I liked him
What about that former leader of the Avengers with a billion code names? Are they bringing her back in with the Black Panther push?

Cooper Ortiz
Cooper Ortiz

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Leo Martin
Leo Martin

Oh! Yeah, they've popped up here and there. I don't really remember where, I know Secret Wars had Elsa at the very least.

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Lincoln Price
Lincoln Price

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Julian Brown
Julian Brown

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John Harris
John Harris

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Jayden Bailey
Jayden Bailey

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Juan Cox
Juan Cox

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Jonathan Green
Jonathan Green

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Ryder Harris
Ryder Harris

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Christian Kelly
Christian Kelly

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Chase Williams
Chase Williams

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Oliver Rivera
Oliver Rivera

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Jackson Kelly
Jackson Kelly

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David Lewis
David Lewis

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Oliver Barnes
Oliver Barnes

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Charles Martin
Charles Martin

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Landon Baker
Landon Baker

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Josiah Mitchell
Josiah Mitchell

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Ayden Reed
Ayden Reed

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Sebastian Torres
Sebastian Torres

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Sebastian Sullivan
Sebastian Sullivan

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Henry Morgan
Henry Morgan

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Jaxon Walker
Jaxon Walker

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Matthew Anderson
Matthew Anderson

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Caleb Powell
Caleb Powell

I don't get the point of the Shocker's monologue. The author clearly can't be using him as a sympathetic mouthpiece -- he's torturing a child -- and even if we accept that some of the things he's saying are true, none of what he's saying really follows into a reason why he's a villainous douche. There's a total disconnect between the idea that he's been trod on and the idea that he's supposed to be sympathetic in any way.

So what's the point of making a villain give real -- if generic -- social commentary, but have them mangle their reasoning enough that we can't trust anything they say anyway?

You're not scoring points with the audience because you've failed to make Shocker sympathetic in any way, despite apparently trying. There's no tension because you know Peter is going to be free by the end of it. The commentary you might have been trying to make is utterly undercut by the fact that it's being sprouted by a clearly crazy asshole.

I just don't get how anyone can be this incompetent and also employed as a writer. It doesn't make a lick of sense.

You could have rewritten the entire thing: Shocker captures Spiderman in the exact same way -- they were fighting and both acted intelligently. Rather than torturing him,Parker wakes up and finds Shocker seriously pissed off and depressed that he's been thwarted by a teenager this whole time. Rather than torturing him, Shocker just vents at Peter and maybe smashes some stuff so you can have action panels. Peter rightfully points out that while Shocker may have some interesting points, he's not solving them in the best way possible -- shocker becomes upset at this.

Here, Shocker can either snap at Peter, confirming Peter's assertion that Shocker really isn't very smart about things or is otherwise seriously deranged OR he can simply let Peter go and get arrested immediately afterwards in his funk of depression.

Either make a substantially more interesting character out of the Shocker.

Hudson Edwards
Hudson Edwards

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Elijah King
Elijah King

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Cameron Sanchez
Cameron Sanchez

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Samuel Bell
Samuel Bell

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Connor Lewis
Connor Lewis

What others?
The black chick, the retard girl, the one with menopause and the flying brick.

Gavin Miller
Gavin Miller

jump off the bridge
never gets old.

Xavier Taylor
Xavier Taylor

Aunt May is so fucking badass in Ultimate.

Daniel Evans
Daniel Evans

I would argue that is the point, Ultimate Shocker is lame. Bendis had been slowly building, what ended up being a mediocre, Roxxon arc and this was just another piece. This is contextualizing every single time Shocker got the shit beat out of him, it gave Shocker a motive, and ultimately it doesn't matter if he's sympathetic or not because as you said, he's the bad guy and Peter is going to win. It's satisfying to get Shocker's motives and see that he is in pain despite being a lame character, which is further pushed here when Peter tells him off for not using his mind to help people. It's also just as satisfying to see this character get a one up on Peter as it is to see Peter than beat the shit out of him.

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Brody Green
Brody Green

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Jose Peterson
Jose Peterson

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Ayden Roberts
Ayden Roberts

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Owen Moore
Owen Moore

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Jayden Wood
Jayden Wood

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Connor Powell
Connor Powell

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Juan Watson
Juan Watson

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Leo Lewis
Leo Lewis

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Cameron Williams
Cameron Williams

I love that Bendis recanonized the video game after he retconned it out

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Connor Green
Connor Green

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Caleb Green
Caleb Green

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Robert Cruz
Robert Cruz

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Austin Ross
Austin Ross

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Chase Moore
Chase Moore

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Ayden Jackson
Ayden Jackson

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Ryder Peterson
Ryder Peterson

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Brody Anderson
Brody Anderson

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Asher Phillips
Asher Phillips

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Grayson Barnes
Grayson Barnes

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Thomas Richardson
Thomas Richardson

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Owen James
Owen James

MAX Punisher AND MAX Fury
No Surrender: Hulk smashes the pyramid after beating the fuck outta current Miracle Man
90's Peter Parker Stops Cartoon Spectacular Peter Parker from beating up Flash
Day ends with this garbage
Why do I even bother keeping up with this storytime, I fucking hate Ultimates.

Kevin Sullivan
Kevin Sullivan

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Brayden Bell
Brayden Bell

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Dominic Rogers
Dominic Rogers

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Isaiah Green
Isaiah Green

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Thomas Lopez
Thomas Lopez

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Benjamin Roberts
Benjamin Roberts

I get the angle they were going for, I just think they seriously fucked it up by wasting a few pages on the generic social commentary. If they wanted to make the point that he was mad that Peter beat him up, that's fine. If they wanted to make the point that his social critique gave him some justification, they ought to have done a substantially better job at presenting his argument by using a few concrete examples ("You think Roxxon is ever going to let me have a job after they Blacklisted me? I've been fired from gas stations after a few men in suits have a brief talk with the owner! And that's before we even get started on the criminal record they slapped on me before I ever even thought about robbing anything!")

They just cut too far down the middle and soured both results. If Shocker just an asshole who's mad at getting beat up, they could have used the panels establishing that and made him seem even more petty and villainous. If they wanted the reader to seriously consider his plight, they needed to nix the torture and give him and actual argument. Even an insane, /pol/-worthy, Alex Jones anarchist screed about MONEY being POWER and THE ELITES would do more at establishing who the Shocker ultimately is supposed to look like to the reader. His current voice is far too lukewarm to be anything more than a the most by-the-book bitching I hear out of an office worker. Maybe Shocker is mad and terrified because he knows the tech he built and helped build is going to get turned on the people sooner or later? Maybe he's a nihilist who's just having so much fun when he was freed from his corporate shackles? This is a dude who built a fucking energy canon. Give me a Ted Kazinsky for goodness sake.

His pain is meaningless as we, the reader, juxtapose it to the fact that he's clearly inane and malicious -- Peter's saintly forgiveness aside, that's simply there to signal Peter is Definitely a Good Guy.

It's just boring. Nameless Villain #2390 stuff.

Nolan Barnes
Nolan Barnes

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Easton Perry
Easton Perry

All they had to do was cut that part of the tape out

Isaiah Allen
Isaiah Allen

Off he goes! To unresolved plot land!

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Ayden Bennett
Ayden Bennett

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Landon King
Landon King

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Jose Carter
Jose Carter

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Adrian Cook
Adrian Cook

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Leo Martinez
Leo Martinez

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Evan Adams
Evan Adams

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Jackson Clark
Jackson Clark

I agree that it could be better, but I also think that as someone who was reading as this was released the long term satisfaction of spending years seeing this dude get beat only to have a victory outweighs that and the fact that nothing really that great came from the Roxxon arc makes this look better in comparison. I totally agree with you though, nostalgia and the bigger payoff not being good sways my opinion on it's overall quality though.

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Brandon Rivera
Brandon Rivera

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Jaxon Murphy
Jaxon Murphy

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Connor Davis
Connor Davis

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Matthew James
Matthew James

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Joshua Scott
Joshua Scott

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Elijah Watson
Elijah Watson

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Cooper Murphy
Cooper Murphy

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Levi Hughes
Levi Hughes

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Ryder Lopez
Ryder Lopez

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Zachary Fisher
Zachary Fisher

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Joseph Gonzalez
Joseph Gonzalez

School shooting joke? Yikes.

Aaron Morales
Aaron Morales

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Andrew King
Andrew King

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Christopher Young
Christopher Young

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Jordan Adams
Jordan Adams

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Jack Fisher
Jack Fisher

Is that a Stan Lee cameo?

Easton Moore
Easton Moore

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Parker Robinson
Parker Robinson

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Joshua Lopez
Joshua Lopez

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Colton Martinez
Colton Martinez

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Elijah Hall
Elijah Hall

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William Green
William Green

Not closing everything and turning shit off/sleep mode when you're done for the day
Last time this happened a network guy got fired because the boss found him using company's internet to download torrents overnight.

Bentley Howard
Bentley Howard

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Aaron Howard
Aaron Howard

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Ian Wright
Ian Wright

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Joshua Morgan
Joshua Morgan

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Carter Diaz
Carter Diaz

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Joseph Hall
Joseph Hall

oh yeah, im so fucking mad about this.

Julian Rodriguez
Julian Rodriguez

Reminds me of something that happened to me
>be in high school
put utorrent on a flash drive
torrent all of Ultimate and shit ton of Deadpool
School's internet slow as shit
in web design class
teacher decides to pull up a graph of the school's server space
90% pie slice
my name in the middle of it
When tech came to talk to me about it they weren't even mad, just impressed that I bypassed the school's security and crashed the server

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Nathan Jones
Nathan Jones

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Matthew Brown
Matthew Brown

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Dominic Watson
Dominic Watson

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Angel Gray
Angel Gray

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Charles Morales
Charles Morales

Why the fuck is Gwen there, how and when the fuck did Peter even bring her along, and all Peter had to do was web him up and have Aunt May call the cops on Eddie instead of bringing him like a gorillion miles away.

Levi Brooks
Levi Brooks

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Michael Sanders
Michael Sanders

He came by herself using Carnage powers?

Zachary Jones
Zachary Jones

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Jaxon Turner
Jaxon Turner

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Anthony Evans
Anthony Evans

she came by herself using Carnage powers?
I think there's a webcomic for that

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Jaxon Young
Jaxon Young

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Benjamin Russell
Benjamin Russell

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John Cook
John Cook

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Jordan White
Jordan White

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John Morgan
John Morgan

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Logan Myers
Logan Myers

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Isaiah Phillips
Isaiah Phillips

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Daniel Gonzalez
Daniel Gonzalez

Attacks from the hit

Tackle is somehow from behind her now

Justin Long
Justin Long

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Evan Reyes
Evan Reyes

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Sebastian Green
Sebastian Green

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Jeremiah Evans
Jeremiah Evans

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Elijah Perry
Elijah Perry

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Dylan Morgan
Dylan Morgan

calm the fuck down while i dab

Nolan Ramirez
Nolan Ramirez

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Hunter Richardson
Hunter Richardson

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Christian Flores
Christian Flores

Top of first panel could be a good banner.

Josiah Gomez
Josiah Gomez

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Adrian Ramirez
Adrian Ramirez

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Luis Roberts
Luis Roberts

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Benjamin Gray
Benjamin Gray

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Jacob Bell
Jacob Bell

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Ethan Rogers
Ethan Rogers

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Angel Hernandez
Angel Hernandez

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Gavin Baker
Gavin Baker

I really hope that I misunderstood you right now.

Connor Perez
Connor Perez

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Daniel Brooks
Daniel Brooks

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Henry Bennett
Henry Bennett

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Jacob Williams
Jacob Williams

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Grayson Peterson
Grayson Peterson

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Henry Morgan
Henry Morgan

I'm talking about lewds, user

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Nicholas Hall
Nicholas Hall

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David Johnson
David Johnson

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Connor Watson
Connor Watson

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Carson Reyes
Carson Reyes

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David Hall
David Hall

Bendis might have meant this as commentary of the whole work-for-hire comics industry issue. Wasn't there a big case going on right about when this came out? Siegel's heirs or something?

Jeremiah Nelson
Jeremiah Nelson

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Daniel Miller
Daniel Miller

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Jack Nguyen
Jack Nguyen

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Colton Bell
Colton Bell

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Sebastian Hughes
Sebastian Hughes

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Asher Rodriguez
Asher Rodriguez

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Samuel Barnes
Samuel Barnes

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Wyatt Cruz
Wyatt Cruz

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Jose Morales
Jose Morales

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Carson Sanchez
Carson Sanchez

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Ethan Ross
Ethan Ross

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Nathaniel Myers
Nathaniel Myers

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Colton Stewart
Colton Stewart

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Juan Russell
Juan Russell

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Ethan Smith
Ethan Smith

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Andrew Walker
Andrew Walker

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Mason Kelly
Mason Kelly

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Thomas Lewis
Thomas Lewis

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Charles Bennett
Charles Bennett

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Nathan Wilson
Nathan Wilson

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Lucas Cox
Lucas Cox

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Henry Cox
Henry Cox

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Jaxson Wilson
Jaxson Wilson

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Oliver Hernandez
Oliver Hernandez

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Christian Hall
Christian Hall

dat face

Tyler Murphy
Tyler Murphy

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Owen Cook
Owen Cook

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Angel Jackson
Angel Jackson

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Aiden Kelly
Aiden Kelly

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Easton Reyes
Easton Reyes

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Sebastian Allen
Sebastian Allen

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Brandon Wright
Brandon Wright

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Hunter Bailey
Hunter Bailey

I thought you were talking about that fucking porn comic about Peter, Jessica, Gwen and MJ. And it treated USM lore better then Bendis.

Zachary Lopez
Zachary Lopez

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Jordan Gonzalez
Jordan Gonzalez

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Liam Rivera
Liam Rivera

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William Martinez
William Martinez

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John Rodriguez
John Rodriguez

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Jacob Rodriguez
Jacob Rodriguez

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Charles Wilson
Charles Wilson

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Jordan Brown
Jordan Brown

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Asher White
Asher White

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Luis Perez
Luis Perez

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Isaiah Sullivan
Isaiah Sullivan

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Jeremiah Barnes
Jeremiah Barnes

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Luis Williams
Luis Williams

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Cameron Peterson
Cameron Peterson

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Nicholas Robinson
Nicholas Robinson

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Alexander Gray
Alexander Gray

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Connor Lee
Connor Lee

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Grayson Brooks
Grayson Brooks

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John Edwards
John Edwards

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Dylan Butler
Dylan Butler

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Luke Powell
Luke Powell

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Zachary Hernandez
Zachary Hernandez

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Hudson Parker
Hudson Parker

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Jack Gutierrez
Jack Gutierrez

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Mason Sullivan
Mason Sullivan

Did Shocker steal Spiderman?

Easton Nguyen
Easton Nguyen

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Brody White
Brody White

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Eli Walker
Eli Walker

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Grayson Gray
Grayson Gray

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Matthew Brown
Matthew Brown

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Jonathan Robinson
Jonathan Robinson

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Brayden Miller
Brayden Miller

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Cooper Thompson
Cooper Thompson

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Jose Stewart
Jose Stewart

Thanks for reading! I am going out of town for the weekend so I am going to try to squeeze in as many threads as I can before I go. Up next Chapter 52: I Miss JMS

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Oliver Gomez
Oliver Gomez

This art is causing me psychic discomfort.

Gabriel Evans
Gabriel Evans

Thanks for posting this OP.

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