Explain to me how working for a living isn't just like communism?

Explain to me how working for a living isn't just like communism?

The difference between america "the land of the free" and communist countries in terms of livlihood is exactly the same. The only difference being that you get to cast a vote once every 4 years in america. But when it comes to work, it's pretty much the same. You think you're free? You can't even vote freely without getting attacked in the land of the free. The difference being that capitalism has a few people controlling the majority of private wealth. How are we any different from the average working citizen from a communist country?

Yeah, thought so.

Come on pol. Can you not argue against me? The majority of people from capitalist countries are working bees as well.

You grow up taught to get a job for a living. You were never taught to grow up to be a capitalist or an entrepreneur. It's ironic, even in capitalist countries most people are working bees rather than the capitalist theyre meant to be yet in countries with more socialist control e.g. China has more capitalists than those who just work for a living.

>>The difference between america "the land of the free" and communist countries in terms of livlihood is exactly the same.

and i thought education in australia was good.
Ok ... lets talk about venezuela. pic related already refutes your argument. Thats a supermarket in venezuela.

Tell me guys. A communist country dictates your role in the economic means of production.

In capitalism, you are in the same way indoctrinated to study hard, get a job, and henceforth "contribute to society" through your chosen skillset. Except you are manipulated through market rather than have your work lofe dictated. How is this any different? We all know about the complaint young people have
1)study
2)work until 65
You're well accustomed to this complaint. If we're such capitalists why does society and institutions manipulate us through indoctination to become workers and "get a job" in order to chase the idea that we'll one day become the capitalist we thought we'd be. We dont become capitalist through occupational work. We're just living under a grand illusional.
We become true capitalists when we make our wealth through entrepreneurship. Why does a capitalist country not encourage this if we're a capitalist country? Looksl ike capitalism is just a very smart form of mind control for the upper class. Why are we taught to grt a job from an early age instead of encourage capitalistic ways to earn money?

AND why are acts of capitalism even fucking frowned upon in capitalist countries? LMAO

do you expect people to just be able to eat and use utilities that cost in upkeep and not have some kind of resource trading system to fund shit?

yeah not until the right side implements automation technology.

Compulsory education only teaches us enough so that we contribute to the state. Your condescending remarks about education teaching one anything anout the real world is laughably invalid to begin with.

A picture of an empty supermarket with no explanation on your part refutes nothing. If its too much on your part to put forward an argument then you're the retarded one

this is a supermarket in north korea. the difference is more subtle. Their controll every picture the tourists take. but you can see its just to show. You cant see many consumers and you see the same products displayed in lots of different shelves.

So you're only justifying it.

Let me also elaborate. Learning about the real world starts when a person pursues this on their own. The school wont teach you how to beat the system. Because the school IS part of the system. No compulsory education would teach this. Compulsory education even in capitalist countries are a form of indoctrination. We're not any better

in capitalism, you work harder, you get more. there are things to strive for and means of fufiling your ambitions. yes, most people live on wage and don't become capitalist tycoons, but there is a possibility. american dream is just a dream for most, but reality for some.
communism kills all ambition because you'll live on the same level wheater you're a surgeon or janitor, so why bother. only way to better your living standard is to join the Party, communism promotes corrution in place of hard work.
t. ex commie country

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>inb4 communism isn't socialism!
The goal of socialism is communism. - Vladimir Lenin

you dont need to trust me. you can go to USA and check for tyoursef. I have parents living there. they all are working an making money. They all have owned houses, just by cleaning houses and painting walls.They are doing the job most americans dont like doing, but they are being paid enough to buy a house. That would never be possible in brazil. Because in brazil we dont have a fair market. And thats because we had cultural marxism everywhere followed by 14 years of a socialist oriented government.

Can you autistic lefty/pol/ neckbeards stop starting 10 threads every hour about your weird jewish cult?

Nobody cares about your autism and cringe

Let's say that in so called 'communist' (because there has never been a scientifically communist country because a communist country is already a contradiction in terms, socialism has been tried though) Countries the State assigns a job to you and the only way to go up is belonging to the Party.

I must admit that in the US for you to go up you USUALLY have to be friends with the Jews/Dems.

So there is a list of what you can do in America that you couldn't in commie countries:
>buy/build house
>get your own car even if you don't 'need' it
>hire a plumber legally
>buy a shit ton of bread and throw it away
>call your President idiot
>complain non stop about the State
>"financial freedom" even though its being attacked

Everything you said is the doing of a totalitarian dictatorship. Nothing to do with communism. Trying to make communism look bad doesnt justify capitalism. Thats just the easy way out. Tell me how a capitalist country is any better than a communist country. Read my initial posts and address the issue. Why are capitalist countries rearing students to become worker bees when such acts goes against the principles of capitalism?

People are lazy without wealth to dick waving no one want to work.

You do realise you provided zero argument. All you did was memed. If youre so content with yourself then leave this thread. Otherwise lets hear your argument.

Trying to make communism look bad doesnt justify capitalism. Thats just the easy way out. Tell me how a capitalist country is any better than a communist country. Read my initial posts and address the issue. Why are capitalist countries rearing students to become worker bees when such acts goes against the principles of capitalism?

exacly, thats why all the schools in brazil teach history from a marxist perspective. All my history and geography teachers were gommies. Only now that im out of university i got in touch with non gommie literature. The marxism is rampant and they bend even non communists writers. they make philosophers like nietzsche sound communist even tho if you study it enough you will see nietzsche was trying to inoculate you an anti-ideological serum. So i understand that. And still i know venezuela and north corea are shitholes. Worse than brazil.

>tell me how a capitalist country is any better than a communist country
BURGER KANG and kfc

trying to make capitalism look bad doesn't automatically justify socialism either, and pushing your commies solution is also the "easy way out". That's a terrible non-argument

I admit I would be a commie if niggers did not exist.

Except thats the topic at hand. Tell me how a capitalist country pushing kids to work hard and get a job instead of encouraging entrepreneurship and capitalistic pursuits justify itself as a capitalist? Capitalist countries is just a propaganda in itself. People overrate capitalism. We're not talking about communism we're talking about capitalism's overated hypocrisy

Have you ever worked in a capitalist workplace?
guess what? people are still lazy!!!

Communism tries to deal with the problem with automation
it comes down to class interest. there is no right or wrong. the issue is that in one system the wealthy lose their property and in the other the poor are exploited. depending on your class you will sympathize with one or the other.

The issue is the people in charge.

First look at Russia in the 1930s... the government had to steal people's farms and machinery and food and force everyone to dig ditches etc...

Then let's move ahead to less extreme cases... the cases that hit the goal that communism strives for. The government is still in charge of everying, and the government always fucks everything up through corruption, stupidy, different objectives than regular people, etc...

People have to stand in lines all day to get normal shit that a Capitalistic society provides instantly through the free market.

>cutting off your nose to spite your face

We're talking about indoctrination

Trying to make communism look bad doesnt justify capitalism. Thats just the easy way out. Tell me how a capitalist country is any better than a communist country. Read my initial posts and address the issue. Why are capitalist countries rearing students to become worker bees when such acts goes against the principles of capitalism?

Yeah makes you think.

When students become worker bees it undermines capitalism yep

Thats not the topic at hand nor was it the issue i was trying to convey. America is more socialist than capitalist as a whole. The only part that makes it a capitalist is that a small number of people controls the majority of private wealth. If that's all ere to capitalism then it's just a system favouring the rich and indoctrinating the average citizen.

Again, that doesnt answer the questions. But i see you prefer to attack the weakest part of my arguments with vague sarcastic remarks because it's just easier without the effort.

>the cases that hit the goal that communism strives for. The government is still in charge of everying, and the government always fucks everything up through corruption, stupidy, different objectives than regular people, etc...
god damn! you are such a fucking stupid amerinigger.

Communism is giving the people autonomy to decide what they do with the means of production. If 5 farmers own 100 acres and vote on how to manage the farm you dumb amerinigger ass would call that a government. to your spooked, blind mind.
>people voting = government
secondly. government does things better than a lot of other shit. Medicare has lower costs because it doesn't have millionaire (((CEOs))) giving themselves bonuses. The explicit purpose of private corporations is to maximize profit, not the public good. and if you think both can be done.
>>/gulag/

i had a non totalitarian socialist oriented government in brazil. The problem with their mindset is that : "everything is possible if its for the good of the party". They stole bilions from our public oil company to buy the oposition in congress. We got the president impeached because of that. And now we are awakening for how fucked up socialism is. I know totalitarianism is bad, either on the left or the right, But i have an update : even non totalitatian socialism (or libertarian socialist, if we are thinking individual liberties in oposition to autoritarianism) will destroy the society. I think a society to work needs : the market and the state. If the state gets too big the market gets sick (like supermarkets in venezuela, or our current situation in rio de janeiro state, were we have 2 retired people for each person working, and growing). The idea that the state should care for the people in the first place, putting the market at risk turns into :" lets give people free money so they can keep electing us". So populism is rampant in south america, and that combined with social marxism (the educational articulation of the left) makes the left impossible to take out. That only worked in brazil because our politicians are experienced crooks, and they saw that the left were to destroy the economy and their future as professional thieves would end.

>America is more socialist than capitalist

No idiot, America has public institutions, not socialism.

Take for example, the immigration agency, is that a socialist institution? NO, THE WORKERS ARE NOT IN CHARGE OF THE AGENCY. The State is the one who assigns tasks and positions.

Please give me an example of American socialism.

School indoctrination. Schools from capitalist countries encourage students to grow up to be working bees instead of entrepreneurs and have capitalistic pursuits.

> Tell me how a capitalist country pushing kids to work hard and get a job instead of encouraging entrepreneurship and capitalistic pursuits justify itself as a capitalist?

Capitalist countries didn't push for compulsory education until the 19th century, and even then it wasn't really that deeply thought of. It's socialist that always push for these things, and you project your own social-engeneering tendencies to every other system, thinking there's this deep conspiracy about how liberal society came about.

Capitalist, without peripheric socialist intervention nagging/intervention, is a simple system of laws that make it possible for certain individuals to own assets that wouldn't be possible in previous military-based power structures. That's it. There are problems within the capitalist system that can be solved through state welth distribution, but you commies are way too autistic about how this should be done, and you are way too obsessed over implementing your marxist recipe for failure every time like it's fucking magic fucking spell

that is why you need full communism.
No more corruption because there is no more private property. the revenues of all the companies would be available for everyone to see and decide on.

Capitalist are no better. Soon Brazil is going to start selling valuable government assets at low prices to wealthy foreigners (friends of the current government) to pay back a debt to international banks.

Not everybody can be an entrepreneur.
Entrepreneurship comes from an exception, not a rule anyway.

So you're saying that the school prepares you to be a worker not an entrepreneur, just like a communist country would do right?

The biggest difference is that most schools nowadays indoctrinate you into being a worker AND dream about socialism.

Seems like a contradiction but the only way to keep the revolution away is to talk about it all the time, Zizek explains this better anyway, 10/10 underrated guy.

The ironic thing about capitalism is that it isnt honest. You cannot call yourself a capitalist if for a capitalist country to function properly you must have a workforce majority. If the majority of the people in a capitalist country were entrepreneurs or capitalist then the country wouldn't work. Hence for capitalism to truly work, it has to be a subtle manipulative form of communism under the free liberating guise of capitalism. Therefore, capitalism is just a propaganda in itself to sustain the upper class few who controls the majority of a country's private wealth.

There i said it.

>The difference being that capitalism has a few people controlling the majority of private wealth

Quite unlike Cuba, China, Soviet Russia, or North Korea which are workers paradises.

I'd encourage you to migrate to one of those places Komrade, you have nothing to lose but your chains.

We're not talking about communism we're talking about capitalism's overated hypocrisy

LMAO. You're describing aspects of a totalitarian dictatorship, which isnt comparable to capitalism. Ignorant american.

>You cannot call yourself a capitalist if for a capitalist country to function properly you must have a workforce majority
This is just dumb. Capitalism isn't a "manifesto-written" system like communism is. There's no rule-book saying what a capitalist society is and what it should be like.

There's no hypocrisy, because it didn't promise anything. Again, it's not a manifesto. You're projecting your own retarded system into it.

>"f that's all ere to capitalism then it's just a system favouring the rich and indoctrinating the average citizen."

capitalism is about taking risks to try to get profit. So if a farmer plants, something bad can happen and destroy its farm in the process. But it also can work out for the farmer and make him profit.

Society is a game. A rigged game makes only certain people succeed. A fair game makes people succeed equaly. The cultural marxism creates the illusion that a "fair game" should be making the state take legal action to force the "opressed" to get compensation so they can get into the game. Thats not fair. A fair game should be a game that has winners and losers but eventually if you try hard enough you will win, despite de diferences, and if you are black woman or even if you are tetraplegic. they all have equal possibilities to succeed if they work hard. Im not saying that there is prejudice or anything else. What im saying is despite that, they can still succeed if the game is fair. So i belive USA has been fair game for a long time. If you have finished highschool you can probably get a job good enough to buy you a home if you work your finances right and dont fuck up with a shitton of kids and a handfull of bad mariages.

But hey, good luck with your revolution.

I will not oppose it, I will not defend the status-quo 'capitalism' anyway.

first world communism =/= third world communism
third world communism > third world capitalism

Because I can do whatever I want and own whatever I want with the money I work to earn. I can go and earn more money by going to school and getting a better job. I can defend MY property with MY firearms I'm guaranteed access too. I can keep going but only teenagers and retards think communism is a good idea. One cultureless society that must give their all to the state or end up dead/imprisoned for refusal to do so. All while being poor no matter their job because everyone needs to be equal. Communism is gay just like you OP. Only loser faggots want a society where the state is their master.

>>that is why you need full communism.
that does not work. i checked history.

Exactly. So how can a capitalist country that indoctrinates growing students to study hard so as to get a job as opposed to entrepreneurship&capitalistic pursuits in anyway a reflection of what it means to be a capitalist?

I think that, maybe, commies are confusing capitalism with libertarianism or some other recent theorical notion of what capitalism should be or whatever. That's all I can think of. Either that or you're being stupid on purpuse.

The austrian school of economics isn't the capitalist manifesto

Communism is a third world ideology, the only successful revolutions were when workers were uneducated enough to believe in killing/suppressing the whole superior class.

Peasant ideology I must admit, China/Russia and the slightly different Cuba all had revolutions were the peasants took power.

Looking back, both Russia and China developed 'capitalism' after the fall of their socialist ideologies.

can you back up with data?

the only acceptable answer

It is pretty easy to """"take risks""""' when you have millions.
If a billionaire """risks""" a million on a business idea of friend of his son, he might earn millions or lose a million. He won't lose his house or food.
But the same does not apply to a poor person for whom a $1000 dollars is 6 months pay. The returns from a $1000 dollar investment are nothing. Imagine the quantity that the wealth would consider money for weekend shopping is the same quantity the poor would have to work 6 months in order to risks for little gain.

>So how can a capitalist country that indoctrinates growing students to study hard
You're refusing to take my point. Indoctrination of students isn't prescribed in any central capitalist notion because there isn't any. You're confusing your own socialist system, that does prescribe public education, with what a few capitalist countries are doing with education right now

check 1970's China.

>Communism is a third world ideology, the only successful revolutions were when workers were uneducated enough to believe in killing/suppressing the whole superior class.

Do you think they are no workers in the first world. lmao
>everyone in america wears cowboy hats and drives big trucks or is a wallstreet banker
lmao

You pretty much spelt it out. Capitalism is just a front for socialism. Because it all starts wih the schools. You refused to take my initial point which my thread started. Capitalist countries that has socialist indoctrination to encourage students to study hard and work and contribute to society as opposed to nurturing entrepreneurship and capitalistic pursuits is a false capitalism

Communism is bulshit.

Blue collar workers from the first world flirts with fascism.

i dont get a question. both things are ok. Studing hard makes you more able to get a higher paying job. eentrepreneurship creates new products and services to a unexplored market. Both are taking risks both can profit or not. Capitalism deals with risks and uncertanty. Socialism deals with the fake idea that the state will allways provide like a mother. thats not real because to get the milf flowing it has to suck it first from the market in form of taxes. But the people gets free shit and thinks its fine, until the market colapses and people go hungry.

A true capitalist would've indoctrinated students to become capitalists not working bees. But guess what, if that happened the country would collapse because the majority arent workers. Hence workers need to be outsourced from other countries and any income earn would not go back to the state, and with no money going back to e state it would eventually collapse. What we have these days isnt true capitalism. It's socialism with a capitalistic front

At least in theory, you are entitled to the fruits of your work.
In communism, at least in theory, you give everything to the State, and it grants you whatever you need for survival and a some living condition.

In the practice, you give everything to the banks, and it grants you credits to buy whatever you need in exchange you pay them the same amount plus interest, perpetuating debt slavery.
In the practice, in communism the State grants less than you need for survival and a basic living condition, perpetuating slavery in its strict sense.

I find it amusing, really really amusing the amount of stupid Americans this board has.

I legitimately think that the dumbest of you are the ones who are here.

here in brazil people take risks all the time. My neighbor sells hotdog to survive. he is taking risks every day. He has to pay taxes to the city hall. He needs to give free food for the police so they dont take his busines. he works alot to be able to pay rent. He has no ensurence, and most of his money goes to pay bills and buy more food to sell on the streets. he is taking more risks than profiting. Lets say that the state were out of the game. Imagine if he had to pay less taxes over the products he buys on the market, or dont have to pay anythign to the city hall, nor feed free shit to the cops. i wonder ...

>ow are we any different from the average working citizen from a communist country?
Because under capitalism, pay and prices are controlled by market forces and (in theory) accurately represent the value of the labour and product in the economy. As opposed to communism where everything is controlled centrally by those who cannot possibly know everything about the supply or demand in the economy, leading to widespread inefficiency.

>check 1970's China
You mean when they failed so bad the had to revert to a system of state-capitalism so insidious and harsh that would be considered worse than nazism to most western lefty intellectuals? If anything, that only shows how hypocritical you are

>Capitalism is just a front for socialism. Because it all starts wih the schools

It became like this because socialists started to fucking exist. "Capitalism" by itself is just a simple system. There's nothing utopian about it, it doesn't promise anything. Liberalism does that in a way, and liberals in america created something a bit more special with their own values. Then european socialists perverted it with socialism.

You're the one spelling it out: the left is disgusting, nihilistic and technocratic so it eventually subverts absolutely anything it touches.

Kys faggot

You have people who is in favour of capitalism yet frowns upon capitalistic pursuits.

we all know it's /leftypol/.

You cannot compare those risks to the """"""risks""""""""" billionaires take when funding companies.

In Brazil the state is pretty much out of the game, the only thing the state provides him with is shitty brazilian infrastructure.

I don't get shot for quitting my hob for starters.....

The issue here is capitalism's hypocrisy. Capitalism is a front. It's a form of propaganda. It does not teach growing students of capitalist countries to grow up with a capitalistic mindset. Being a worker bee is not a mark of a capitalist.

Fun fact: acts of capitalism is frowned upon in capitalist countries.

>In Brazil the state is pretty much out of the game, the only thing the state provides him with is shitty brazilian infrastructure.
There's massive welfare programs here. You wouldn't know that because you're a communist and communists don't care about research or facts

The dynamics of revolution and counterrevolution guarantee the immediate total consolidation of power and crystallization into hard feudalism around a psychopathic leader, where all society becomes an enslaved and brainwashed extension of that psychopathic state. The nightmare aspects are basically inescapable, and will remain cemented in place until its fundamentally irrationality will cause collapse back into degrees of authoritarian capitalism. A hypothetical ancap revolution would end up largely identical. You can't just compare some features of abstract models of societies and ignore the systematic analysis which shows why clearly this always happens.

Gommies lost the discussion. Brazilians schooled burgers and Kangaroos on why gommies are bad. IT wellcome.

>You mean when they failed so bad the had to revert to a system of state-capitalism
nice meme
Mao died and the people were not ready to defend communism from the capitalist roaders in the party.
Keep in mind that Mao told people to rebel against the party. No first world leader has ever encouraged democracy over hierarchy to the point Mao did.

Yes, but now we're making Brazil great again and there's nothing you can do about it.

>welfare is communism
>ignoring the point about definitions of risks
you don't in communism either.

>How are we any different from the average worker in a communist country
Specialization, cheaper goods, the ability to negotiate hours, decisions in what career you wish to pursue, more freedom in general, etc. You can't just say "oh well in both systems you have to work" in any system you have to work, otherwise society falls apart. The difference between capitalism and communism is choice. And contrary to popular belief, voting is entirely private nobody knows who you voted for.

Somewhere I read that taxes are really made for governments to pay their debts to their central banks or federal funds in the case of USA; as their money is all borrowed to begin with.

The issue here is that if you grant so much power to the State, it quickly becomes corrupt to the core. It happened a lot with the Soviet Union, and you have a live example with North Korea and its fatty leader.

>The issue here is capitalism's hypocrisy.
Leftypol is truly disgusting. You don't even care about arguing, it's all about pushing your subversion with you creeps. I can stand you

>nice meme
nice argument. So the only reason China KINDO OF works now is because they gave up on commie orthodoxy and told Mao to fuck off? Weird

Thats how you should do it. Selling hotdogs is a mark of a capitalist more than any person who is under occupational employment. Doesnt matter if you earn less. Its not always about the money. Thats how capitalism is suppose to be done

>In Brazil the state is pretty much out of the game
the state is huge, we have spending as big as first world countries, still we have nothing in return. Our public schools are shit, security is shit, free healthcare should be called free butchery.
>>You cannot compare those risks to the """"""risks""""""""" billionaires take when funding companies.
i can, both are taking risks. profiting and helping the economy flourish. They are doing good for the economy. shame on you to try to stop that.

You cant even address my argument without sidestepping. You're no better. I dont enjoy repeating myself but i have to because my point never gets properly addressed

did you read anything i posted you stupid brazil nigger.
China does not work now, precisely because of them giving up commie orthodoxy (worker's power.)

A man selling hotdogs in the streets is a true capitalist.

A man who calls himself a capitalist or a supporter of capitalism shouldn't go around looking for jobs as a hotdog seller.

When a person is under employment. They are taken care of by the business and the business is responsible for them. They even get insurance and a car paid for by the business.

You cannot call yourself a capitalist if you choose to be a worker. Working for a living is not capitalism but it happens because if it were true capitalism the country would collapse. It's just fucking socialism. Even socialist countries are more capitalistic than self-proclaimed capitalist countries

A business should be able to grow. With alot of bureoucracy and taxes the government makes it impossible to make it happen. Lets say government starts cutting taxes over products. My friend will start to buy more products, and if everything gets fine people will buy more hotdogs. Soon he will be able to sell more hotdog and even employ someone to help him (thats not even possible in brazil, only high rollers are able to deal with the employment legislation T. gommies), then he gan grow even bigger and employ more people taking more people out of misery."But no capitalism is bad. The only way to survive is getting a public job." and there it goes, the picture of brazil. that waht makes the entrepreneur in brazil be the eternal guy selling hotdog alone with no perspective on getting big. The game here is rigged. and thats not capitalism fault.

> i have to because my point never gets properly addressed
I refuted your point. What you call "capitalist hypocrasy" is a strawman. Capitalism never promised to be the system you are painting it to be, in fact it never promised anything. It's not a manifesto like comunism

>did you read anything i posted you stupid brazil nigger
>China does not work now, precisely because of them giving up commie orthodoxy
Believing China worked under Mao is probably why communists are so fucking stupid. Almost 40 million died during the "great leap foward" alone. Communist megalomania is monstrous

Nobody calls themselves capitalist you fucking sperg.

It's just a buzzword.

You think a mark of a capitalist is the ability to negotiate working conditions?

>state is huge
>opposition exists
m8, you need to reconsider your life.
>i can, both are taking risks. profiting and helping the economy flourish. They are doing good for the economy. shame on you to try to stop that.
jesus christ brazil nigger, let me teach you some math lets compare losses of a billionaire and a poor Brazilian (I don't know how much a poor Brazilian is worth)
million/billion = .001
thousand/ten thousand = .1
thousand/billion= .000001

do you see how not risky it is for a billionaire to risk a million dollars. It is not a true risk.

Okay, then explain how you can have a capitalist country indoctrinating students to be worker bees instead of nurturing capitalistic pursuits.

no, the mark of a capitalist is this :
product A costs 10 to make, sells for 20, risk of loosing 3. Ok lets do it.
The mark of socialist is this :
vote for me, i will give you product A for free.

then why do the miners want Mao? are you telling me I should believe western scholars or should I believe the Chinese people themselves.

Then why is everyone cheering for capitalism when it's basically socialism with a capitalistic front?

>Communist
>Countries
pick one.

Anyway, communism and capitalism isn't that different outside economics. Both see people as economic units. Both end up having a small few own the property. Socialist countries resort to a police state for control. Capitalism resorts to a pleasure state where it gives people the illusion of control.

Hence A true capitalist does not go into employment to make a living because of

>explain how you can have a capitalist country indoctrinating students to be worker bees
I did, you just ignored it. Compulsory education is a socialist thing. Socialists pushed it thorugh state power. Corporativists saw this and compromised with lefties, pushing their own little agendas here and there. Socialists dominate academia abd push for their own giant state bullshit, and corporate-liberals adapt to the left's whining.

>then why do the miners want Mao?
Selfishnes? Some people always profit over the overall population suffering. Some union workers here are also very loyal to certain politicians, even though the vast majority of people hate them and were made miserable and lost their jobs because of them