Why have people been freaking out about the government spying?
I really don't understand because they say they're not hiding anything, or that's somehow "irrelevant", and then proceed to make no reasonable argument against spying besides "MUH RIGHTS".
I mean, can you actually say a good reason why it's bad that they're watching? Are you afraid they'll see your small wiener through the camera or something? They're busy catching fucking terrorist who want to kill innocent people and other important shit besides looking at your penis.
I really just don't understand why people are afraid UNLESS they have something to hide that they know is illegal.
BUMP. I honestly want to understand. I've been against spying shit by the government when NSA stuff came out, but I realized I just went along with the crowd like the retards they are.
Christian Murphy
4th amendment you stupid, stupid nigger
Mason Cox
"4th amendment" is not an argument. You're just saying there's a right that has been broken but, again, just like all the anti spying cult followers, you're providing no reason why it's bad. You're probably the type of person who interferes with police officers on duty and then you're surprised you got tazed
Thomas Cook
I'm not even gonna lie, if this were any country but the United States, I would be totally fine with it. They still have to charge you with due process after all. The only reason I'm against it is because of the Constitution, but in every other country I support it.
Lincoln Adams
Again, "it's bad because its against the law" and that's it. Everyone just ends it there and doesn't' provide a reason.
Mason Perez
Politics, you fool.
Evan Turner
Because a government breaking its Constitution sets a bad precedent. Spying on citizens isn't intrinsically bad, but the government ignoring the Bill of Rights is.
Lucas Anderson
Because the government uses the info they get spying to blackmail people. Which is bad.
Xavier Robinson
why do you have curtains on your window? do you have something to hide?
Alexander Carter
>actually believing mass surveillance is only about catching the bad guys
Easton Diaz
inb4 an extremely butthurt German shows up to suck snowden's dick
Luke Ramirez
o-of course not! i aint doin anythin ilegal m8 why sould i care?
Carter Nguyen
Well if that's the reason then my mind is completely unchanged. Simply not good enough.
source?
Because I don't want the light to come in when I sleep. Seems irrelevant
David Rogers
A backdoor for the gov is a backdoor for hackers and state actors. Not to meantion that Snowden showed that the ability to spy on people was being abused to spy on partners and creep on people. Weakening encryption for 'good' spying is bad and the best encryption makes it so that only the sender and the recipient can read it.
Josiah Campbell
they can know and "do" whatever they want to journalists, activists, etc it's like there were no escape from ((them))
Jonathan Fisher
If spying on people against the law is a-ok by you then I suppose the terrorists shouldn't be arrested because after all they are only breaking the law.
The government is not only catching terrorists because that info is not only for the government. The Gov has a long history of getting info stolen from them and the moment someone breaks into a cache of that surveillance data all of our personal data is in the hands of the 400 pound hacker.
Aaron Bailey
we'll I DON'T want some fed looking at my dick while I jerk off to furry impregnation porn games, if he's actually looking for terrorists why's he checkin out deez nuts
Kayden Murphy
Because if Hillary won this site would probably be shut down, many of us would be in jail after they make hatespeech a crime, and the internet would be a shadow of itself Its the tip of the iceberg in populace control We should start spying on them, and making traitors wonder if we know what they did
Aiden Hughes
Why would partners be afraid of being spied on if they have nothing to hide? I also don't see a problem with creeping on people unless you have an example of the government leaking the information and pics.
That's cool that they "can" do that, but people "can" also commit extremely heinous crimes, like murdering 100 innocent people. Should they be put to jail just in case they do that?
If I have the capability to do something, doesn't mean I will. It's only reasonable to put me in jail if I you have a previous example of me doing something.
The problem is you are not providing a reason for why it's bad, you're just saying it's bad because it's illegal. Well, weed is illegal, so it's bad if I smoke it?
You say there's a long history of gov getting hacked yet you provide no example or any kind of source for that.
So you'd rather risk the lives of innocent and your own life because it makes you feel "uncomfortable" that they saw what kind of porn you like? They have much better things to do than look at your 3-incher, buddy.
Nice fallacy
Asher Morris
>Are you afraid they'll see your small wiener through the camera or something? Yes. That's my choice. Fuck them and fuck you.
Jayden Long
in the next years some people are going to let the gov put a chip in their head just cause >im a good goy, fuck me all you want >you want me to pay more taxes, yeah here you have, i dont care what do you with them >do you want to spy me, do it man why do i care
Zachary Rodriguez
These things work both ways you dumb fucking retard. One day someone who you don't like (hint: they don't like you either) will come to power and have all the tools at their disposal to turn your life to absolute shit.
Dominic Ortiz
1. DARPA 1.5 IARPA 2. If you're truly so insistent on having nothing to hide please begin posting sms, im, chat, email, & all other forms of direct correspondence in which you presently engage -- including written transcripts or audio recordings of all spoken conversations -- to your public facebook wall in their entirety. Additionally, livestream yourself every time you take a shit, take a shower, and get yourself off. Only guilty people need privacy after all, right? 3. If it were harmless they wouldn't be so clandestine and shady about it.
The correct way of preventing terrorists from attacking your country's citizenry isn't spying and mass collection of data through which tracking of every individual becomes possible and then in turn enables the prediction of actions and reactions. The correct method of prevention is to not let muslims pour into your fucking country and start setting up shop in the first place.
I think the government should obey the law. Nothing more or less.
Dylan Peterson
>on an anonymous image board >is completely fine with being spied on >not a hypocrite Post your name and a pic of your face to be morally consistent with your stance.
You see, exploitation of software/hardware to view a users information without their consent is something the government already does. The exploits available to government officials, especially through the net, are easily exploited by someone with basic knowledge of the software/hardware they are using and often developed by loserfags who will also use that software/hardware at their leisure, hence why they keep it a secret. Most of the information being gathered now is used for advertising purposes and nothing more.
If you truly believe that the government should be allowed to watch everything you do, there has to be a modicum of trust. The current state of our nation does not give me faith that the information gathered on me will be used for anything positive. The government illegally and quietly spying now does not give me good reason to think that they are doing it for a righteous cause, only to fit their agenda or make some money.
HOWEVER. If a government is willing to be just as transparent with themselves when it comes to information gathering I would feel a lot more comfortable with opening myself up to possible exploitation from a neet who knows the basics of NSA software/hardware and is willing to put in the work.
Just like with most things, once they become legal they become prevalent. Prevalence allows for the layman to use something that was otherwise too expensive or too complicated.
Colton Allen
>an authoritarian government infringing people's rights is not bad Good goyim. And yes, rights is an argument. People want privacy and the government has no reason to take it away from them other than "it's for your own security goy"
Christopher Sanders
the problem is that you think they want to help you, finding the terrorist for example, but they made the terrorist to push laws like this, their end goal is not ending terrorism, their end goal is to control the mases
OPEN YOUR EYES SHEEPLE
Leo Bailey
>they have better things to do than check out my dick Apparently not or they wouldn't spy on me
Parker Ward
Classifying all slippery slope arguments as logical fallacies is a fucking Jewish trick.
Matthew Nguyen
We are being sieged by an intelligent user.
Aiden Taylor
>nothing to hide Stop you would never do anything that you would withhold or want to take time to prepare an explanation for? >ok with creeping Alright I'll note that in your file: is OK with 500lb whale recording him through Webcam in room and is fine with having baby monitor footage of his infant creeped on as long as said whale is a spook.
>ignoring the encryption arguement Are you employed by Obama?
Eli Stewart
And just how many terrorists have they actually caught with all this spying and control?
Nolan James
Failure to comply with government oversight and our request for your information leaves you a suspect for questioning. Violating the TOS for your ISPs connectivity regulation makes you noncompliant and complicit in obstruction of justice. Post a picture of your face and state your name lest we contact your ISP and demand your most recent facebook check in locations to find where you are located and apprehend you.
Being complicit with the xenophobic nature of Sup Forums will make you subject to public scrutiny and possibly jail time depending on your coercion with these alt-right terrorists. Any attempt to deny your connection with such a terrorist organization will force us to further delve into your browser history to make a more definite psychological profile of you and charge you based on the state of your mental being.
Thank you for your cooperation. -Cop
Ayden Bennett
Okay. Lets say I take a bunch of articles from credible sources like securitystorecard's blog and fucking VICE. This is people doing bad things, not the government.
Well ok. If that's what you simply think then that's fine. I do think it's unreasonable though, especially if the law is retarded or just put there for no good reason.
They make terrorists? If I make a gun I'm not making a killer, the person decided himself to kill. I am not at fault because I did not make the decision for him. Maybe your comment triggered someone and they went to kill people. Should you be at fault?
Sorry for using logic. I'll go back to the "shit for brains" method that you've been using.
Fair enough. People can hack information and it gets leaked which can negatively affect their well-being due to non-government persons abusing the information.
From your post now I understand your mistrust of the government. However, I do think that mistrust is irrational and simply a fear of the unknown. BUT I may be ignorant of any examples of the government actually abusing the information of regular citizens.
Hm... after reading your comment I feel like I am having some sort of realization. I don't know yet what it is but at the moment I am beginning to see your thoughts as being reasonable. Everything I wrote above this paragraph was before I read your post.
I don't know, I'd need to look that up.
Sorry, I'm having trouble understanding the first point you wrote.
For your second point: yes, I am completely okay with that as long as the information isn't used for purposes other than keeping me safe. However, I am beginning to see why the government collecting information isn't a smart thing to do.
Dominic Sanchez
The NSA hates the rest of the government and actively sabotages them when they try to use nsa assets. The NSA is one of the few effective anti-terror systems we have, we lose a lot of freedoms but with that comes safety. All we need to do is make sure the NSA continues hating sharing and we should be fine.
James Parker
I want to apologize to everyone for being edgy and disrespectful. I saw your opinions as unreasonable to the point where it made me upset. I feel like something "clicked" in my head and I'm starting to understand your perspective.
Perhaps I've been living in this mindset for so long that I couldn't even see how yours is so different.
Jacob Rogers
Wow user that is a pretty big of you to admit. Good on you mate.
Blake Rogers
OP, would you mind everyone having their DNA sample at birth and compiled in a database? Not arguing, just wondering your opinion on that.
Logan Morales
No fucks given holmes.
To be fair, you did make some good points about the fear of the unknown and how it can create unreasonable fear. Most people I talk to hate the idea of being spied on but can't really formulate why. Being a regular of Sup Forums I've learned that people often immediately assume I'm a nazi faggot when I'm really just a centrist POS who enjoys the bantz here. Just like they fear this board for being unknown, I fear certain aspects of government for reasons that I can't completely justify other that our differences in viewpoint.
Jacob Morris
Depends on what benefits there are.
If they want my DNA for nothing they can fuck off, but if I get a tax credit for being a "DNA registered citizen" or something I wouldn't have a problem with it. I'm not a criminal nigger so I'm not worried about the coppers using it to catch me.
Sebastian Sanchez
Well, the benefit would be if anyone left any DNA behind at a crime scene, police would be able to identify that person immediately.
Brandon Reyes
Hey Cia, I just dont like authorities wasting my time, checking out my intellectual properties, framing me, etc. The 4th protects me against that.
Mason Carter
For the very simple reason, that they can collect your private data and use it against you. In Germany people are already getting arrested for privately sharing their oppinion on the internet. The state can basically just imprison you for speaking against their agenda, just a question of time till they punish you for thinking against it. And we all know how this will end.
Aiden Bailey
>Why have people been freaking out about the government spying?
Liam Morris
Fugin typos >nothing to hide So you would never do anything that you would keep a secret or want to take time to prepare an explanation for from your partner?
The problem lies with people. If the system was just a program or AI or whatever that had no agenda but to protect us and detect objectively bad things then it might be ok. But then bad guys would exploit it or make their own.
And encryption is always key. A weak link is always bad, especially purpose made ones.
Jeremiah Perez
op is a faget
Jason Martin
I mean personal benefit.
The idea of a country-wide mandated DNA registry is equal amounts terrifying and comforting. On the one hand it would make crimes a lot easier to solve, on the other you are basically at the mercy of the government and by extension, government employees.
As someone who works with government employees daily, I would not trust them with my blood type, let alone my entire genotype.
Jordan Baker
>be hot shot alphabet soup man guy >new mayor >punch his name into the computer >pick up the phone >"I have the video of you shoving a live gerbil up your ass 35 years ago" >??? >profit
Adrian Parker
Because, whether or not the government actually CAN spy on you, as long as the public BELIEVES that the government can spy on you, they will have the power to plant whatever evidence they want on whomever they want and the public will assume it is true because the government got it by spying on you.
/thread.
David Mitchell
Read 1984 and A Brave New World and then proceed to fuck off. Also you should off yourself because your IQ is so low that you need to read books in order to have the foresight to realize what can and probably will go wrong with this.
Cooper Gomez
Aren't you at the mercy of a lot of different people in a lot of different ways?
Wyatt Garcia
>government makes law >government doesn't obey law do you see where that could get kinda fucky?
Josiah Bailey
Thanks. I'm still kind of jumping in between the different perspectives but I feel it's slowly molding into something that I can understand.
That's understandable. I'm sure I have many beliefs I'm unaware of that I can't justify or make them appear reasonable even to myself. And I do like arguing a position until my mind is changed. It feels good to be shown wrong because it's a learning experience. This is partly the reason why initially I came on so aggressively because I wanted people to throw at me their best arguments.
I don't know man, I got some thinking to do. No because I think some things shouldn't be illegal. I do some of those things and I don't want to get caught. But I have to take into consideration other people too. This is a hard decision and I change my answer to I don't know yet. Man I'm getting overwhelmed to respond to every post because I'm already overwhelmed with processing the change of my opinion. I'll keep reading them.
Christopher Perry
OP is always a faggot. Today he has a decent head on his faggot shoulders.
Camden Walker
Ding, ding, ding. This is the answer. The question isn't about what you have to hide, but when a government agency collects and stores information about you, even if what you are doing is legal, it can still be used against you by any corrupted administration in the future. If you think surveillance is OK, then you are basically saying you trust every government program to exist now and in the future, despite whether or not it is in your own best interest.
Wyatt Foster
Read this...
Elijah Howard
Because of moral relativism.
For instance, you may not be doing anything wrong now, but the rules of society are always influx. So, I heard you shitpost on a Mongolian Horse Herding and Nazi Amphibian enthusiast board. We have the proof of you doing this because we spy on your internet history. Therefore, we are now making your life more difficult because you gave us the authority to violate your private life.
>MUH RIGHTS Are extremely important. Your rights are that which protect you from the tyranny of the status quo or the majority.
>MUH TERRORISTS/CRIMINALS/SOVIETS/WHATEVER If you're not doing anything wrong, why should you be afraid?
Likewise, why is the government not transparent in its operations if they have nothing to hide?
Gabriel Diaz
>can you actually say a good reason why it's bad that they're watching? Stalking people is illegal. Spying on people is illegal. Private citizens have a right to privacy guaranteed in the Bill of Rights. It's the fifth amendment.
But hey, you're right, I'm sure those faggots who wrote the Bill of Rights don't know what's best for me.
Joseph Mitchell
>"it's bad because it's against the law"
Isaac Russell
The government should fear its citizens. They are more likely to fear us if they cant see what we are up to.
Brandon Reed
I'm more concerned about surveillance from companies than govt surveillance. I think what the govt does is unconstitutional and should stop immediately, but it's just not going to happen, no matter what.
Ryan Walker
Because privacy has real value, everyone has secrets. If you think you don't, you are probably a fool, and if you say you don't then you are a liar.
Mason Scott
I agree with everything you wrote there. I think the argument you've provided is not good. Having the capability to do something does not mean it will be done. You first would need to provide an example of such a grandiose thing happening. However, I think someone might have provided related to the German government.
Matthew Taylor
I don't like people spying on me. Pretty much end of story. It may be a cultural thing, I don't know. Or age related, I'd wager that younger folks are much more accepting of the government probes.
Christian Kelly
a) the government should and must be compelled to abide by its own laws. NSA blanket spying is unconstitutional, see 4th amendment b) as soon as a precedent is made by which the government may surveil citizens without due cause, even if the government at present uses this precedent in good faith, abiding by a strict moral code, the government may and will use this to oppress its people. look at bradley manning, edward snowden, etc. they all exposed scandals which proved that the government is breaking its own laws, and the US government in turn, without any moral justification, ruined their lives. c) there is no moral justification to disallow any and every person to have a private life. there are things which arent immoral or (necessarily) illegal, yet may ruins a persons life. imagine if this surveillance was in place half a century ago, do you really think it wouldnt be used to attack social taboos such as homosexuality, or as a means to persecute minorities?
the list goes on. people like you are the reason why America has and is becoming more and more like Big Brother.
Xavier Gray
Man its amazing how naive and childish some of you despicable scum are.
They do not do it for terrorism you idiotic fuck.. they CREATE and INVEST in terrorism. They are strictly spying on us for INFORMATION.. in this world INFORMATION is POWER.. They want to know what everyone is doing at all times so that ANYBODY who stands out, or goes against the grain, can be eliminated quickly, and none of the pacified brainwashed cucks around him/her will bat an eye because they have been programmed in the same way you have.
Gabriel Collins
im pretty sure the feds have a monthly meeting comparing the size of the dicks they find, wake up bros, they are watching our pee pees :c
Caleb Fisher
Because what is and isn't illigal can change. You stupid nigger. What if Hillary won, and ordered all MAGA posters jailed? For example.
Benjamin Baker
An user with the skills should make one of those images that appear on the threads called "one of these threads" with OP rationality
>Government is spying? Pff! I'm not hiding anything and I don't do anything illegal! So what that the government is spending billions of my tax money to store terabytes of information I think is useless and harmless? Go fuck yourself conspiranut piece of shit, Its not like this is a billionaire industry with legislators going out of their way to legalize the permanent storage of millions of terabytes of information of people not doing anything wrong or hiding anything.
Camden Nelson
>dude just trust the government to have more power lmao
yeah good idea, they will definitely not use it to fuck people over to get even more power, that has never happened before in human history
>dude if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear lmao
give me your bank account passwords then
Adrian Scott
op is still a high-order faggot
Hunter Foster
Total control of society, you damn burger. Listen to story of Tom Drake and William Beany or w/e is the names.
Somewhere out there, and always here on pol, is a piece of shit spineless brown nosed bureaucrat that has all the info on us and where we go and what we do, can set us up if it fits them or they feel like it, can send all the info to any third party that bribes him/her or persuades them to do so. Can plant people in your life and set up mind games if they want. Can attempt to blackmail or try to coerce or intimidate you or your loved ones just for lolz , or if you are perceived threat in their greedy fucked up minds.
But more of a problem are corporations like google, facebook and such - why were they allowed to gather info and for whom in the way they do? Why were there no regulations and laws set up when internet was being rolled out? How come those corps became popular and used by so many?
It was fucking planned to be as is, and it will get worse imo. Fucking one world goverment and globalist cunts, that is what it is.
>They're busy catching fucking terrorist Sure they are, if you telling me that an organised and disciplined army can't clear and destroy those sand cunts in matter of months then you are full of shit.
Mullins burger said and i remember that - when there is a conflict, any type of conflict including wars they want to drag it for as long as possible, for profit sake and whatnot. Good business.
And if those cunts are so for the population surveillance, why do they get all upset about wikileak cunts? Not good for plebs to know whats going on at those dinners and meetings is it.
That was shitloads of typing.
Julian Cruz
it is not only the laws and legality - you and every single person on this cursed planet has one life to live out as best as they can and improve themselves, thereby improving lives of others. Only one chance at this life, for all we can prove.
Mass spying is total control, same shit as catholic inquisition, same shit as soviet communism, same shit as nazi german state and shitloads of other types who tried to chain human minds.
Current situation is not good.
100 years pass when all of us are dead and gone, if world still exists, those generation of people will live under a boot - of a pedo, and a corporate greedy cunt, and a bureaucrat on power trip.
