The Progressive Movement

>get on Twitter
>see Tulsi Gabbard will be meeting with Trump
>see Hillary Clinton democrats call her an opportunist and an islamophobe
>see that Republicans think she is in some way more ideologically aligned with the right
>get pissed off because apparently people don't fucking get progressivism

I'm going to explain to you guys what Progressivism is. You don't have to like it. You don't have to agree with it. But it is important you understand what it is. And good news. It's really fucking simple.

1. Progressivism transcends party politics
2. Progressivism is 100% focused on the well-being of the middle class
3. Progressivism maintains that money in politics is the root of all evil in Washington and that Citizens United must be overturned
4. Progressives are against hawkish foreign policy and believe that we should maintain a minimal presence in the middle east. Expanding the war in Syria and any future regime change is to be opposed.
5. Progressives believe in treating all people, regardless of gender, race, or religion as human beings.
6. Progressives know no party loyalty. When Bernie Sanders and Tulsi Gabbard say they are willing to work with Trump, it's not because they want to give the middle finger to the democratic establishment. It's not because they think it will help advance them politically in some way. It's because they realize that they stand a better chance of effecting positive change by working with Trump. Obstructivism in congress wastes years, and Progressives believe there is no more time left to waste.
7. Progressives want to see voter turnout maximized

to sum up: progressives despise neoliberalism, neoconservatism, and corporatism. they believe in in representing the middle class.

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8. Progressives are absolutely committed to the destruction of western culture and values.
9. Progressives believe all white men should hang for colonialism

then why the fuck didnt you vote trump

Progressivism simply means using the government to encourage or enforce social change

>thinks punkass sjws agenda will be apart of any policy reform

>Progressives believe in treating all people, regardless of gender, race, or religion as human beings.
This doesn't actually mean anything.

>re regime change is to be opposed.
>5. Progressives believe in treating all people, regardless of gender, race, or religion as human beings
How is that different from anyone else? I don't even know what this means.

>Progressivism simply means using the government to encourage
"fucking us all right in the ass"

if you don't see how a government that has the authority to "enforce or encourage social change" is antithetical to being the party of the little guy, you're retarded.

You've gotta get progs to pick their battles, and you're either shrinking govt to help get $ out or growing govt to help "enforce social change"

most progressives I know can't stand the sjw movement. the people calling everyone feminists and privileged are your clinton democrats. just because progressivism is painted as being "more liberal" does not mean they embrace the sjw craze. did you ever see Bernie Sanders or Tulsi Gabbard call someone who didn't vote for Hillary a misogynist? No.

it means you don't encourage xenophobia or demagoguery

Thats because Bernie Sanders is a misogynist.

So say that. Saying you treat all human beings like human beings is retarded.

You'd need to define what constitutes good treatment for human beings as well as proving the inherent worth of humanity.

the whole "bernie bros" thing s 100% garbage. go spread that bullshit propaganda elsewhere

You are rebranded cultural marxists. Your ideology failed and is now rightfully despised. Your rebranded version of it will not last long.

you're right. i could have worded it better. but seeing as i was posting it on pol, i figured that wording alone was enough to draw distinction with how a lot of Trump supporters here feel concerning multiculturalism

>1. Progressivism transcends party politics
>2. Progressivism is 100% focused on the well-being of the middle class
>3. Progressivism maintains that money in politics is the root of all evil in Washington and that Citizens United must be overturned
>4. Progressives are against hawkish foreign policy and believe that we should maintain a minimal presence in the middle east. Expanding the war in Syria and any future regime change is to be opposed.
>5. Progressives believe in treating all people, regardless of gender, race, or religion as human beings.
>6. Progressives know no party loyalty.
>7. Progressives want to see voter turnout maximized

lol except for point 5, that sounds EXACTLY like the alt-right.

Democracy is the root of all evil. Fuck your retarded ideology faggot. I don't care how bad the corruption is if the government functions well.

Also 'xenophobia' is another empty term. Love of one's own people does not imply hate or fear for another's.

Why is multiculturalism good?

Bonus points if you don't use food, women, or music.

full-on communism is fucking retarded. being opposed to crony capitalism does not make one a marxist. qget off Bill O'Reilly's dick. I expect that criticism from a baby boomer who has been spoon fed information from corporate media all their life. but someone living in the information age should be a little more in command of what perceptions they allow others to choose for them

Progressing towards what, though?

>Checks dates
>Coincidence

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the alt-right doesn't seem to grasp the severity of the chokehold corporatism has on our politics and by extension the middle class. I see a lot of people up in arms about jobs. I don't see many railing against other negative aspects of free trade agreements though.

I believe assimilation is an important ingredient in healthy multiculturalism. I don't believe in hating people because they are muslim or black.

How about how free trade births free movement which destroys indigenous societies and cultures?

They do, the alt-right is against corporations and are all about free enterprise. The difference is that progressives ignore the (((nepotist pattern))) many of these corrupt corporations share.

Muslim is an ideology and it's completely opposed to your "progress."

>I believe assimilation is an important ingredient in healthy multiculturalism

You do know that's contradictory, right?

Assimilation to a culture is the opposite to multiculturalism, where the latter requires no assimilation.

a political system not dominated by big money interests. a society not riddled with poverty, chained by debt ,or left without health care. a marriage between capitalism and the well-being of the middle class.

>to sum up: progressives despise neoliberalism, neoconservatism, and corporatism. they believe in in representing the middle class.
You forgot white people. How can progressives care about the middle class when they openly sneer at blue-collar workers? Doesn't really make sense.

No one hates anyone purely because they have a different religion or skin color. Its the behavious and attitudes that define distinct groups that cause friction.

The irony is that places like Sup Forums and the far right value diversity more than the alleged tolerant left. The right wants no assimilation. They believe good fences make good neighbors and that the diversity of the human race is worth maintaining.

How many Koreans can you replace with Greeks before Korea become Greece?

Alt-Right is an entirely made-up concept that represents no one and everyone.

>transcends party politics
>Is a political party
Fucking gas yourself you fucking retard
How do manage to figure out how to feed yourself being this fucking retarded

>he thinks fiscal policy is relevant when nearly all the economic gains made in the last 30 years have gone to the top 1%

>They do, the alt-right is against corporations and are all about free enterprise

this is absurd. self-contradictory.

go away cenk

Islam is a religion and is practiced in various ways.

TBQH your movement sounds pretty rad and I would rather hang out with you than Alt-Righters because you basically are Republicans but PURE, no bullshit baggage about muh racial purity or muh old dead party from Germany.

I mean I am still going to be redpilled about race and anti-white politics but at least I can basically see your movement as a essential good.

There isn't a progressive party in the USA, because progressiveness is a political ideology you actual retard.

So you're telling me Trump is a progressive?

>5. Progressives believe in treating all people, regardless of gender, race, or religion as human beings.
muslims are not human

there is no such thing as the progressive party. I clearly expected too much from you

Just join Green or go back to the Demofaggots, you faggot.

And Hillary has been a closet Republican all her life. Bill must be packing a golden dick.

Are we getting pathetically raided by /his/ right now

Progressives are just Communists who seek to impose tyranny. Kill yourself, you lying faggot.

Trump could act in progressive ways, yes. I am a progressive and I have hope.

If he listens to Bannon or Bolton or Romney or Reince or Cruz though, we are fucked.

8. Trump supporters want to exterminate all non whites and create a Trump Reich
9. Trump supporters believe in an internet meme powered frog god

Wow, I can strawman too!

t. Progressive Trump Supporter

Hillary is a neoliberal. Neoliberalism was the same under Reagan and Obama. Ideologies and party affiliations are not congruous.

I'll accept 'Muslims are not human' as long as you're down with 'Jews are not human.'

oh shit I got meme arrowed!

fiscal policy is always important. even more important is that a government that has the authority to enact some vague drivel like "enforce social change" can do even worse, and if you think $ in government is bad, you'll probably think extreme authoritarianism is worse. pull your head out of your ass.

GW Bush and the other NeoCons are Neoliberals.

Don't use terms you don't understand you mong.

Nevermind, stay in the Demoshit party.

Nope, they are not the same thing. Wal-Mart =/= your local "mom & pop" store.

Damn I forgot though. Why I supported Trump was not that he was the ultimate Nazi (he isn't) but was that I consider him Sanders with backbone. He can get the things done for the middle class that we need, he has stated many times he wants to curb lobbying, people using the office to make millions, increase term limits.

Also, Trump wants to be friends with nearly everyone and give other countries their military back so we don't need to protect them anymore.

I also think getting rid of a lot of illegal immigrants (I call them that, do not like calling them undocumented newfriends) is a major help in lowering our debt.

I think that Progressives should help Trump as long as he can prove he is a good dude. I think we should treat the inauguration as a tabula rasa and treat Trump with some respect and see if we can be of any purpose to help grow the interests of the US.

It's not a strawman if it's true.

deal

basically this

progressives are alinskyite subversives who hate their civilization more than their hate their enemies and who are behind every bad thing sjws do, from their identity politics to other things

remember they're the ones behind prohibition, same for all the most autoritharian us presidents

If Progressives believed in representing the middle class, they wouldn't push all that diversity crap.

Your jew hero Bernie supports immigration policies that directly drive down wages of the middle class.

Until you realize that representing the Middle Class means representing White Families, the "Progressive Movement" will be contradictary and full of shit.

you're absolutely right. why do you think I went from reagan to the current president. i was de facto including them all. neoconservatism and neoliberalism are practically the same thing and they are both dying. and we need to send them out the door as quickly as we can.

Fbpb

You clearly have no idea what Progressivism is.
>1
Correct, they want to control both or all parties so that they have no opposition.
>2
Progressivism is 100% focused on concentrating power in the hands of the highest level of government possible and forcing bureaucrat-operated one-size-fits-all solutions on us. This was true in 1900 and it's true today. They may rationalize it as "for the working people", but every group rationalizes their ideology the same. The fact is they are for centralized authority and decision making.
>3
Half-true. Progressives maintain that privately-controlled money in politics is evil and must be stopped. They fully support taxing everyone as much as possible and letting politicians decide what to do with that money.
>4
False. Historical Progressives include Teddy "big stick" Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson (WW1), FDR (WW2), and Truman (Korean War). Progressives support any war which they believe will spread Progressivism. For them, there is no other cause worth fighting for, and no other cause more worth sending rubes to die for.
>5
False. Progressives believe is equal outcomes, not equal treatment. This is most evidenced today by affirmative action, quotas, and laws protecting certain groups or "classes" of people.
>6
Half-true. Progressives know no party loyalty; they know only ideological loyalty. For them, all parties must be ran by Progressives. All government action must be for the Progressive cause. They are perfectly satisfied to "abandon" "allies" if it helps Progressivism spread.
>7
Progressives want to win elections. If it means voter fraud and letting non-citizens vote, so be it.

To sum up: Replace every instance of the word "Progressive" with "Fabian Socialist" in my post. Why? Because Progressives are Fabian Socialists.

This is all total horseshit

adding "neo" in front of something pretty much means Jews hacked it and turned it jew.

"neoconservative"
"neoliberalism"
"neoreactionary"

basically, give anything "neo" a hard look and do a quick 1488 check.

free enterprise implies lack of regulation. not support for small businesses. do a better job of picking your terminology

What do you actually know about Bannon?

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>you're absolutely right. why do you think I went from reagan to the current president.
Because you're an idiot?

Bernie Sanders wanted all illegal immigrants documented as quickly as possible. why? because when they aren't documented they can work under the table. they can be paid less than american workers, which undercuts american wages.bernie is all about raising the minimum wage, and he can't do it as long as there are millions of people hiding in the country that will work for less than minimum wage.

quit misrepresenting views you don't understand

Should the "Progressive" Fabian Socialists achieve total victory, then SJWs will be the first they purge, just as Hitler had many "brownshirt" Sturmabteilung purged and Mao had many Red Guards purged as soon as each came to have total control.

These are the useful idiots of our day.

i actually explained why in the next sentence, which you didn't include. but okay.

A broken clock is right twice a day.

You're also a moron all of the time. Politics isn't for you. Try becoming a heroin addict or something else you'll excel at.

>implying civilization isn't just a stepping stone between tribalism and tribalism

yes. we need to progress. leave old things behind

i don't understand. so you're saying i was, in fact, right, but got lucky? or was i wrong?

you're an asshat.

And the phrase has been taken over as a buzzword for the neolibs. Its like feminism, doesn't mean what it used to.

IMO "caring for the middle class" is their door to enter.
maybe they would like to have everyone in the middle class, but when that doesn't work, everyone will be in the "lower low middle class", which is not much different from living in projects.

>i don't understand. so you're saying i was, in fact, right, but got lucky? or was i wrong?
Yeah, if you just randomly call everyone a "Neoliberal" without even actually knowing what that is, yeah, some are bound to actually be Neoliberals.

Go get a taste user. The rest of your short life on opiates awaits.

What are the progressives doing right now?

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desalination

We don't have to take in tens of millions of people from the third world. This is our country and we have a right to maintain our laws and our borders.

Mestizos have average IQs that are incompatible with success in first world nations. Some are good people and hard workers but overall it will damage our nation to have permanent open borders with a third world country

so in your fantasyland, when a massive influx of immigrants drive down wages... all we have to do is raise the minimum wage.

lol. fucking moron.

>see Tulsi Gabbard will be meeting with Trump
is this real? she'd be fucking great

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>I'm a progressive. - Hillary Clinton

what did she mean by this?

Sure sure that's what you claim, but then why do you push identity politics and politicans like Obama?

Kill yourself.

Nope, Progressivism was hijacked. Remember when Liberals dirtied the word "Liberal" with their shenanigans? So they started calling themselves Progressives to rebrand. This pissed me off because I called myself Progressive to differentiate from those fucking shitheads. So its been hijacked and the only way you're getting it back is by calling out the classists, corporatists, and toxic identity politics out as Regressives.

>assimilation is an important ingredient in healthy multiculturalism

we are reaching levels of shitposting that shouldn't be possible!

Yep. This is why in Canada most conservative parties are called "progressive conservatives" despite having absolutely zero relevancy in regards to 21st century (((progressivism))).

lol go read up on what progressivism actually is rather than listening to the retard op before jumping on the bandwagon. Progressives are basically distilled jew and taqiya doctrine rolled into a big ball of shit.

>cultural Marxism
>cultural Marxism
>more cultural Marxism

But those are both true.

The Green Party has a progressive platform, and they're filled with individuals that want to ban fossil fuels (instead having a gradual process), in addition to wanting to raise the minimum wage (which causes higher unemployment within teens, and it is drastic, it can cause your natural unemployment to increase). There are plenty of topics within the Green Party that are absurd.

so... back to progressivism... wikipedia says
>five "crucial premises" of the Idea of Progress as being: value of the past; nobility of Western civilization; worth of economic/technological growth; scientific/scholarly knowledge obtained through reason over faith; the intrinsic importance and worth of life on Earth.

so why did you emphasize multiculti and acceptance of islam? do you even understand what you claim you are?

Just like modern day feminism, any ideological position of a group that claims to be (insert political stance), can become toxic.

And there you have it, literally no concept of economics.

Legal or not if you surge the market by throwing criminals working visas then you have the exact same effect as before without the risk to the employer. More low skilled trespassers seeking jobs that belong only to Americans.

This is how the grass-roots sees themselves in many cases, and that's a good thing. We in the grass-roots on both sides need to come together and overthrow our oppressors.

However progressives typically believe in a bunch of other things that I can only refer to as mind-rot. You may hold these opinions honestly and innocently but they make it extremely difficult to work together. I'm talking about things like 'social justice.' Let's stop right there. If you feel the need to apply an adjective to 'justice' then at some level you have to realize you're advocating injustice.

I come from the "birthplace of progressivism" and stupidly voted for the Godfather (Russ Feingold) back in 1992, and let me tell you this:

Progressivism is NONE of the things you're claiming it to be. NOT REMOTELY CLOSE.

Progressivism is the red-headed stepchild of liberalism which is FAR more extreme, and is responsible for the retarded identity politics that have caused an entire generation to be functionally retarded.

No fucking thank you, we've seen what it did to cause Liberalism to jump the shark, anyone who thinks Progressivism is about "the people" is a goddamned fool.

Progressive Star Comrades!

>2. Progressivism is 100% focused on the well-being of the middle class
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You don't know what a progressive is.

yeah... finished reading the wiki on progressivism and have decided that it's a nonsense term that can be used to endorse any political stance, with the only consistent factor being that a progressive believes in societal change thru government intervention - in other words, a large, powerful government that has the ability and will to fuck with your life.

This is a great explanation. I always describe progressives as extreme liberals, because ideologically speaking, that's what they are. Their views on the economy is terrible, they have a blind eye towards consequences of utopian policies that they want to implement. It's basically idealism 2.0 (without any realism)