When leftists lose, they don't just protest and get mad, they start subverting whatever movement defeated them so it goes back to serving their interests. That's how you get the JEBs and neocons, that's how the party of Kennedy turns into the party of SJWs, and that is how they plan to turn the party of Trump into the party of Bernie.
Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard, etc are not just people with good souls who "get it", they're the insurance policy in case Trump's government is a success and all the Soros-funded protests and movements fail, and the media fails, etc: They will join the movement to subvert it from the inside and claim it's credits.
In 20 years they'll say Obama and Clinton and the sjws and the media were not true leftists or true defenders of social justice, but "evil conservatives" and "racists", and that the likes of Bernie were the real deal, so (they'll say) they built the Trump movement to help the middle class.
Daily reminder that the progressive movement was behind prohibition but now somehow they're the warriors against it. Same for how Hillary can flip from super-predators to "we arrest too many people".
This happened to UKIP, and it can happen to Trumpism as well.
Be vigilant.
Quick info on subversion: Yuri Bezmenov: youtube.com/watch?v=5gnpCqsXE8g Still the magnum opus of videos on suversion, but there's more tl;dw at least see these vids on the subversion of UKIP: youtube.com/watch?v=dqpAURVz75g and how they act in general: THE MOMENTUM OF POLITICS IS ALWAYS TO THE LEFT youtube.com/watch?v=rlgh85PkQcw any organization not explicitly right-wint will turn leftist over time
Don't forget: They did it to the media, to universities, to democrats and republicans, and they're doing it to UKIP and can do it again to Trump. When the left loses they just hijack your movement through subversion. That's Gramsci+Alinsky 101.
but moreso when the left has no governmental officials with power
Zachary Hill
Yeah, but it used to be I was almost the only person to ever make Yuri threads all the time. Fast forward a number of years and now they keep getting made on their own and people can see right before their eyes what's going on, thus reifying the knowledge into an abstract symbology usable by the faculties of human reason as the basis for more evolved prediction and countermeasures.
This is an extraordinarily good development.
Nolan Green
Yuri always applies. It's amazing so many people know about him now
Always good to revisit and remind yourself
Austin Rodriguez
What's are some good books to gain more knowledge on these subjects? I love Yuri.
Caleb Bell
It's not the Tulsi Gabbard's we're worried about.
It's the ones who are supporting globalism now who will pretend to be nationalists later.
Her Bernie stuff isn't concerning to the movement. Globalism is the threat, immigration, trade, these are the only two issues that actually matter.
Angel Johnson
That Yuri Bezmenov guy is bullshit.
It just sounds like classic commie tactics. Tell the enemy that they have already lost and there is nothing they can do about it. Rule n°1 when fighting someone stronger than you is to scare them, make up an imaginary threat even and it's exactly what he is doing.
Besides, according to him the subversion took place like 40 years ago but only recently we are seeing the SJW bullshit.
Matthew Morgan
Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky is required intro material. The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America by Charlotte Iserbyt really tied a lot of things together for me that I hadn't realized were connected. And then there's all that stuff to go into with regard to the Frankfurt School, Fabian Socialism, etc.
But I never saw it as a personal tactical priority to get really book educated. So if you'd permit another video, please check out Happiness Machines by Adam Curtis for another whole angle on mass psychological control.
Adam Johnson
>Besides, according to him the subversion took place like 40 years ago but only recently we are seeing the SJW bullshit.
>thinking sjw bullshit is not just the icing on the subversive cake
holy fuck and I thought pol was redpilled
Wyatt Campbell
Read Gramsci as well, he's the old italian Saul Alinsky, and if you can read Marighella, a brazilian commie who taught urban guerrilla tactics that were read by the likes of Saddam Hussein and are an obvious influence on leftist agitators. A german intelligence expert even mentioned ISIS follows his book, he's a total crook but less known
In the US Alinsky is the 1st influence though
Nolan Moore
None Dare Call it Conspiracy by Gary Allen might also touch on other vectors of the creepings of Soviet-style subversion into the US, but I'm really not sure which book it is I'm trying to remember. You might be better off just looking up the history of the progressive movement in general and what "Students for a Democratic Society" was.
Josiah Gomez
Bump for interest. Keep going, user.
William Ortiz
Funny enough... I read rules for radicals a few days before the election. If that's what Hillary was trying to do, holy shit she's a fucking retard! She got btfo by trump at most of the "rules"
Oliver Anderson
Here's a couple of pages from a Civil Defense handbook from 195X that list subversive organisations in the US
Nathan Morgan
2/2
Nolan Baker
Hillary was one of Alinksy's star students, did her master's thesis on him, and went by the nick name "Little Red" in school.
How she managed to have such a fucked up campaign I can only assume is because that's how far her dementia has progressed and she was relying on a staff of incompetent ingratiates who in turn relied on a computer program to tell them what to do based on statistics.
Very different from psychological warfare.
Ryder Bell
>He thinks SJW bullshit is new
Read up on some works by jews like Susan Sontag, its been floating around since the 80s.
Aaron Rivera
Every generation since the 60s has been getting worse. That generation was affected successfully, each succeeding generation they have been building on that. You don't just go straight from winning ww2 patriotism with all the propaganda that comes with fighting that kind of war to SJWs as we know them. It has to be done gradually. The next gen will be even worse.
Colton Moore
Somehow I just got this mental image of her sucking off a wrinkly old commie Jew and having the academics say "omg such genius!"
Xavier Taylor
>House Un-American Activities Comittee
Man, those were the days. Back when we had more effective Pro-American people in government. Reminds me of another interesting book. This gets further away from Yuri's core angle, but it's all related.
Foundations: Their Power and Influence by Rene M. Wormser, who was general council to the Reece Commission.
It even gets into how control of money manages control of """science""" and how this was systematically used to get things like Kensey Scale (in today's terms having 7 different gender identities) to be accepted as normal, and the general perversion of social sciences into the utter insanity we see across campuses today.
Kayden Sanchez
he needs to read on kinsey and dr money and their evil, wicked deeds and experiments that led a young healthy boy to kill himself
they're at the roots of the modern transgender shit
I think Peter Hitchens wrote about it too, and most pro-life websites will have something on this shit too.
If any other user has links to vids/articles on these wicked dudes post here
Christian Sullivan
A few interesting things on there are, >Lincoln Bookshop, Hollywood >International Book Store, San Francisco, >Holyoke Book Shop
In fact there are quite a few book shops listed. Does anyone have any ideas as to why? Like were they just stocking literature considered "subversive" or were they fronts used to finance Soviet operations?
Robert Allen
Yep.
I went to school with all the little SJWs in the 80s, listening to them talk about male privilege and the evil of western civ, and how they were going to get into education and bring up the next generation to respect mother earth.
Now they're all fat middle aged women who run the school system.
Evan Sanders
I don't know anything firm about those in particular, but independent bookshops in those kinds of areas would naturally tend to be distribution points for subversive literature and therefore the kind of places where like-minded people would meet, congregate, get recruited, maybe meet a guy who knows a guy who could get you something else or whatever.
I don't know enough about it beyond drawing an analogy to the tea houses and such used by the European revolutionaries to develop clubs and ideas until we finally saw those massive revolutions break out near 1850.
Daniel Reyes
>Bernie ever taking credit.
I don't see how they'll ever get that idea across people's minds.
Parker Gray
Ah that makes sense. I suppose things were a bit more communal back then.
You don't really think of a bookshop these days as somewhere where you meet people.
Connor Martin
You nailed it man. The Cold War never ended. Everything in the US today is the product of KGB manipulation to set the US up to be invaded and conquered by Russia. Damn you Putin
Noah Powell
It's German commies that are to blame really.
Carson Hill
The Stasi?
Gabriel Jackson
Who else would the globalists be?
Brayden Johnson
Indeed. Social forces are vectors for mobilizing people, so a dumbass like Clinton would have used Leninist Media or book stores while the Trump people were able to wreck it by letting the movement move itself through memeposting, rock star concerts, and cool hats.
Levi Flores
it's not the current generation dude, they take credit through the school system.
In the future most people who liver through this moment will have forgotten it or not care enough to talk about it, while schools will push propaganda as always and kids will grow up with this beliefe that whatever good ever happened was caused by leftists (not necessarily sanders), or that Trump was always a leftist and loved by them.
When every "educated" kid starts spewing the same shit even some old people will think they must misremember it or pretend they agree to keep a "polite opinion".
I see this in several places, in my country and yours. Did you known McCarthy was widely popular in his time, and that he was right? (see links here for more info youtube.com/watch?v=xMB9WtVQi8A) But yet ask anyone around today and they'll tell you he was an evil man, a villain and a conspiracy theorist.
In my own country former terrorists who openly fought for "the dictatorship of the proletariat" pass as "freedom fighters fighting for democracy", even when some of the more honest among them openly admit they were fighting for cuban-style socialist and we have tons of sources about it. It's jut that old people don't care to talk about it or don't remember the name of every asshole from the past, so teachers can say whatever they want and it soons become "common sense knowledge"
Matthew Jackson
most of the radical left doesn't like sanders the people who like sanders are liberals we need to be looking at people like maria de la riva who was on the ballot in something like 40 states, the people who support her are the people who and undermining the west and trying to destroy america literally because they view destroying america as destroying white supremacy and imperialism
however the radical left would gladly give american military bases to countries like china but somehow think that would defeat imperialism??? lol i guess it's not real imperialism if it's not white
Adam Jones
If possible, find and watch the Glenn Ford movie Trial. It is a narrative introduction to Alinsky's Rules For Radicals from before the book was published, which among other things proves that this set of deliberate misbehaviors was an understood and propagated thing before Alinsky. Climax of the movie: a professional Commie agitator has failed to turn a Mestizo migrant farmer boy's murder trial into a race riot, so he begins deliberately disrespecting the black judge, at one point using the n-word. The judge -- as though he had read the later-published Alinsky book -- lets the radical know he knows what's up and refuses to lose his temper. The radical looks like a hypocritical racist buffoon and accomplishes nothing.
Owen Murphy
BTW, don't stop on Alinsky, read Gramsci too, he explains the takeover of institutions and "occupation of spaces".
Gramsci is the most clear point where armed violent revolution is replaced by gradual institutional revolution, what we have today
Nathaniel Martinez
I thought the next generation is the backlash against this? From personal experience it seems that way.
Ryan Lopez
It makes sense, but there is only so much you can do to flip something that clearly embodies the right into claiming it's the left.
Assuming we're talking about the ACTUAL radical left and not what can best be defined as purely "establishment", you couldn't just mark off a bunch of right wing elements that actually benefited the country as leftist ideas, since you merely be subverting the definition of left.
In essence, if you're a leftist idealist who truly desires to see the world function under left leaning ideas, you could not use right ideas in a positive light to prove your ideology works, your stances are inherently opposed to right ideals.
This is different from what I mean by "establishment", which matches more with what you call "neo-con". This isn't a body of idealists seeking a leftist world under the idea that a leftist world is superior, but a group of people in power, who's only goal is self serving.
If they seek a globalist world, it's because it benefits them or their collective. Their ideas are only really applicable to themselves, or at least they can subvert the true benefit of their ideas into something that some other idealog can agree with and mantel, blindly (such as the left).
The Neo-con was a reactionary movement by the lesser rungs of the political establishment. As the pendulum was swinging left those that took the "right wing but it doesn't matter because my beneficiaries don't care who wins as long as we don't fuck with them" stance decided to pander to the idea of progressiveness, which Bill had made the public deeply enthralled in.
Carson Taylor
maybe, but it isn't a given
The educational establishment is still full-leftist and these kids haven't all gone through university yet.
But I do think changes like the fall of mainstream, centralized media is already helping, and so is the internet. 5 Media bosses can't control the flow of information in a entire country anymore, so they can't brainwash every young person as easily, and we little people can fight back, + older people are already seeing they've been lied to
Kevin Kelly
some years ago unions were anti-immigration to "support workers"
there are anti-multiculti and anti-immigration commies in europe
They can just claim "it's not the left that did this and that, it was the rich people, the establishment, the REAL left was fighing against them!" or "the labels switched! and similar stuff.
The policy proposals change over time, what's important to keep alive is the narrative. Leftists here are trying to claim Uber is the epitome of left-wing ideas nowadays, at the same time they and their allies are it's main opponents.
Look at how quickly pro-soviet parties and newspapers switched gears once their evils got exposed, or how some more hardcore leftists will say "stalinism was a conservative right-wing ideology", etc.
Or how prohibition, more arrests, etc were all progressive ideas when first proposed, but now they were retconned into ebil conservatives trying to keep the man down, same for racialist theories.
If you go back a little, most of what progressives defend today their forefathers were against.
It's the moral superiority and the narrative control that matters, and the general idea they can mold society into their images, not exactly just specific policy proposals.
Do you know a single person who supported 50 genders 50 years ago? They're shapeshifters, it's as about what they fight against as what they fight in favor of.
(I'm talking about leadership btw, not useful idiots, these are actual ideologues)
Don't you idiots ever get tired of being the most gullible fucks on the planet all the fucking time?
Thomas Powell
FOUND SOME: The first 4 are must-reads:
Disinformation: Former Spy Chief Reveals Secret Strategy for Undermining Freedom, Attacking Religion, and Promoting Terrorism by Ion Mihai Pacepa
The Vision of the Anointed: Self-Congratulation As a Basis for Social Policy by Thomas Sowell
Erik Von Kuehnelt-Leddihin: Leftism Revisited: From De Sade and Marx to Hitler and Pol Pot
On the subversion of churches: Unholy Alliance: The Definitive History of the National Council of Churches and Its Leftist Policies - From 1908 to the Present by C. Gregg Singer
Modris Eksteins' work on modernism
Gouverner par le Chaos, anonymous author. Written by a far-left group accused of trying to perform a terror attack on France. They blame evrything on capitalism but their analysis of all mechanisms and power structures today are right (see also: Pascal Bernardin)
The Literary Underground of the Old Regime (Robert Darton): Studies propaganda from the times of the French Revolution, this is what actually motivated people, not abstract shit from philosophers that mostly only academics care about.
Main Currents of Marxism: The Founders, the Golden Age, the Breakdown (Leszek Kolakowski)
Living Machines: Bauhaus Architecture as Sexual Ideology ny E. Michael Jones
Very important: Hegemony and Socialist Strategy by Chantal Mouffe: Talks about how a revolutionary agent doesn't need a real social interest which he represents, they can just freely elaborate language and society's imagination so they can present themselves as the representatives of non-existing interests, but, as soon as the agent rises to power, these interests are retroactively created.
Fire in the Minds of Men: Origins of the Revolutionary Fait by James H. Billington, explores the relationship betwen revolutionaires and occultism + the history and sociology of revolutionary movements in general.
Hunter Rodriguez
>no mention of jews >no mention of illuminati
Fuck off shill. This is the oldest tactic in the book.
Btw another book: The Frankfurt School by Rolf Wiggershaus, so people don't fall for tricks like 0L9WM+TV's
Jack Long
That's a lot more reading than I've done, but those are kinds of the authors and the topics I had next on my list from when I was probing in those directions.
Just in case somebody has misguided doubts about whether or not you're a nutter.
Mason Richardson
take a look here, most descriptions are in portuguese but most books are in english anyway
There are more compiled lists but this is the most relevant here
Brayden Johnson
>Man, those were the days. Back when we had more effective Pro-American people in government. Man it didn't take Sup Forums long to discard the whole "free speech" thing and go full pro-censorship
Cameron Wilson
really made me think
Alexander Ross
Yes SJWs were always low-hanging fruit Beware of cucks like Bernie
Matthew Allen
bump
Ian Gonzalez
Yeah, the mods have been pretty gay about lack of community involvement and not understanding what is obvious spam vs. harmless off-topic discussion.
Jace Diaz
Sup Forums was always more oriented towards the truth, not just free speech in general. The truth just happened to be politically incorrect in the political climate, and free speech was the medium, not the goal.
McCarthy called out literal traitorous individuals and groups who were selling out the US and working to undermine it
Landon Cook
It won't work they are being exposed. Once you know their tactics they don't work anymore.
Grayson Williams
>muh subversion >muh propaganda >muh divide and conquer christ this guy is insufferable.
Easton Taylor
u triggered m8?
Ryder Diaz
but keep in mind any real victory in society can turn to defeat in one generation.
People today can know the tactics and the lies, but will their children? Occupying spaces is the most important thing anyone can do, it's how the left wins.
Yes they're being exposed now, but as long as they control the narrative taught in schools, kids might just grow up to think like they do. I see this all around me in Latin America, and in some cases in the US.
If you win but get lazy and let them brainwash your kids anyway, the victory turns to a defeat.
Not letting them control the narrative on the long term is the most important thing, this means we need non-leftist historians, teachers, journalists and etc to hold the line. Same for philosophers.
That's why homeschooling, private education, non-federal standards, etc are so important and why they absolutely fucking hate it. In many countries it's illegal.
Think about what you might have learn in school that turned out to be just leftist propaganda. Now look at how people acted at the time: did they believe this? Usually some did, most didn't. The McCarthy example, I think, is relevant: he was loved in his time but got slandered by the media and his reputation was destroyed for future generations, while thugs like Che Guevara were absolute garbage but turned into cultural icons due to indoctrination.
Kids truly are the future, and since leftists don't usually have many kids (the most ideological ones at least), the only way they can win is by controlling your kids' minds.
Luis Foster
Good thread though huehue, but I'm not seeing many other solutions offered or thrown around in here
>any organization not explicitly right-wint will turn leftist over time
I agree, I think the main issue was most conservative/republican/right-wing parties were mostly reactionary, they thought of today only, not tomorrow.
That means we have to define and make clear any kind of revolutionary conservative party.
Evan Morales
Changing your policies based on scientific evidence is something all parties should be doing. Prohibition was shown to not work, cost tons of money and impoverish communities so it will end. Mass incarceration was shown to not work, cost tons of money and impoverish communities so it will end.
Robert Martinez
the point your head
The re-writing of history to keep moral superiority and the narrative is what matters you retard.
They never have to take the blame for anything and thus never lose the support they have merely for "being the party of good guys", while the "bad guys" of the past who were right all along keep being bad, or are re-written into proto-progressives against all history
It's not about "scientific evidence", current policies defending 50 genders and trying to punish "mansplaining" and "misgendering" are not scientific at all. It's about saving-face and keeping popular. Even light-weight Dinesh D'Souza understands this
Austin Wood
>we have to define and make clear any kind of revolutionary conservative party. They always get coopted. We've already been coopted by being rebranded as alt-right with a continually-shifting astroturf identity that we're supposed to have.
When it comes to mind control, two of the most important priorities are to maintain independent thought and to maintain contact with other people who have similar thoughts so that you know you're not alone and you're not crazy. That's why, for instance, the Viet Namese separated the most dangerous prisoners so that they had to scratch signs in the dirt for moralization just to know that each other still existed and that they had a will to live. This concept was reiterated in Star Trek IV when the OG crew was separated in the brigs and Spock discovered that he could be heard by tapping Morse Code into the wall separating him from Kirk.
The Trump Landslide should demonstrate that you are far from alone. So, riding on these coat tails, now go on to discuss policy concerns. I have little hope of this whole thing working out well if it is not "we" who Make America Great Again.
>Changing your policies based on scientific evidence is something all parties should be doing. This is true, but a party also needs to have a clear goal aligned with the country, or else it becomes a fucking leaf, dancing around like a faggot when every gust of wind comes along.
>They always get coopted. No, not always. The big failure with the alt-right was not developing any kind of cohesive literature or plan before introducing the idea. Now it's become a meaningless umbrella term because it never meant anything clear from the start, so it took barely any time at all for the enemy to redefine it according to it's own terms.
Jose Walker
And to add on, the open and transparent format of Sup Forums is a good outlet for discussing ideas and disseminating propaganda, but not for planning. You need a group making plans off the radar so their ideas don't get exposed before they are ready to release them.
The alt-right mess wasbe like screaming you're going to attack your enemy, before you even made a plan, gathered weapons, or figured out your friends and allies. Those should have been the priority first
Carson Phillips
>good outlet for discussing ideas and disseminating propaganda, but not for planning. OK, I was having trouble interpreting your other response. You are correct at a certain base logical level.
But you are overall incorrect. The imageboard approach makes it impenetrable because memetic resonance is all about having fun honing in on the harmonics we all actually enjoy. The SECRET HACKER GANG aspect runs the spectrum from out in the open to, well, things you and I as emissaries of love and peace would never know about.
It's all about bringing the forces into alignment, not trying to attack any particular piece of the puzzle.
Levi Torres
You still misinterpret me, I'm not attacking imageboards, nor am I saying this board has no purpose, but it should only be one piece of the greater puzzle. Sup Forums should exist because of the memetic forces it can flex. But there should also be another form of Sup Forums working and planning out of the spotlight.
Like you say, it's about bringing the forces into alignment, all these different pieces need to be continuously and harmoniously united towards a single goal.
