Why did the Middle East waste its enormous head-start on the rest of the world? Sumer had writing and cities over 5...

Why did the Middle East waste its enormous head-start on the rest of the world? Sumer had writing and cities over 5,000 years ago, while Europe was still stuck in the Neolithic/Bronze Ages. How do you WASTE a 2,500-year civilizational head start? How does that even happen?

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They found goats and wasted their lead fucking them.

If I had to take a scholarly guess it would be because of proximity to niggers. They were so close to niggerdom that they just absorbed their ability to destroy/squander anything.

Centuries of intense warfare.
The Golden Horde genociding whole cities probably had something to do with it too.

This. They tried to battle the nigger-hordes and it went terrible. The second you have something the nogs want, they will arrive in droves.

Those ancient civilization were killed off.

What you see now in the middle east are Arabs, which are basically nomads.

Civilizations develop in a cyclical fashion, not a linear one. History hasn't been a straight line of progress from the primitive and archaic into the advanced.

Well yeah, but the Middle East had a longer period of time to go through its cycles. Each cyclical peak is supposed to be higher than the last.

Considering how a nation like Iran has existed and maintained its language and customs despite its geographic location should be credible. Historically, Persia has been surrounded by enemy states on every single border.

This is why an objective, academic approach is the best. Our finest universities are no where near this intellectual summit.

We have figured it out bros.

It was ruined by retarded leaders and tribal in fighting.

Islam.

t. educated burger

Mongols were no joke. I know westerners tend to underestimate what happened during the invasions (especially since the west came out pretty much unscathed), but Middle East and especially China got fucked beyond recognition.

They were, and the cultural traditions developed there serve as the foundation for most of the cultures surrounding it. The Titans are the Greek analogues for ancient Middle Eastern Gods, and their founding myths tell the tale of a migration of advanced peoples from the Middle East into the Aegean Sea region where they conquer and develop an archaic social order.

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Europe had proto-writing in the neolithic era.

And Mongols too tbqh

China recovered a lot more effectively than the Middle East, though. The Mongols arrived, fucked around for a while, collapsed, and China went right back to its next dynasty.

Perpetual war. I believe... and rag all you want... that Perpetual war is the flaming sword described in genesis that the angel wields in genesis. If the wars stopped, we would discover the incredible secrets of the past. We aren't allowed to..yet.

Sooner or later, a civilization reaches a golden age where everything is comfy and improving all the time.

Then they reach the part and decadence age and everything starts to slowly go to shit.

Combine that with Mass Immigration (which equals Cheap Labor even in ancient times) and your society doesn't recover.

The modern western countries are doing the very same things that killed the ancient cultures. Hedonism and Mass Immigration for cheap labor will be our undoing as well.

The Mongols destroyed Baghdad in 1258. The rest of history is Turk nepotism and Colonial clusterfuck.

In the same way Greek theology was integrated into Christianity through Catholicism, Zoroastrian and archaic Mesopotamian theology was integrated into Islam in an effort to consolidate the disparate people of the region under one unified tradition.

Chinese weren't held back by mudslimes.

youtube.com/watch?v=wnqS7G3LmMo

worth the time investment if you really are interested in these kind of things. especially the last few minutes of the talk.

The AYY LMAO Annunaki that helped them build it left.

You're wrong user. Hollywood is making efforts to prove POC (victims) were basically all postmodern humanists, and had their advanced cosmologies and tech stolen by primitive whites.

Social mechanics have a yuge role to play on that. Even in the earlier stages, there was a lot of poor organization.

When Islam came, say to Babylon, they did have what could absolutely be called a "golden age". Highly intellectual and advanced society. But they weren't at all interpreting the Koran in a literal sense at the top of the social hierarchy. I personally think Islam is the most socially volatile Abrahamic religion, and due to this there was no possible way that even the brightest minds could establish a social order that would lead to a great future.

Plus, its in their genes too. Just far more r/ selected, if you go in for that autistian concept. What happened in Europe in antiquity and the last 500 years or so, was a perfect storm of genetic strategy, intelligence, social principles and creative potential.

This. Cro Magnon men had it together. They just were slaughtered and had all their land stolen.

yet the mongols proved an asset because their rule created trade routes which led to exchange of ideas of knowledge and ideas between oxidant and orient - leading to us getting our hands on canons, mounting them on ships and conquering the world.

but yes, the mongol invasion proofed terrible for any country affected - and also lead to the expansion of germans into depopulated Eastern Europe. (if memory serves me right and I'm not confusing this with the effects of the Black Plague)

War. I think it was mainly because of the rise of Abrahamic religions though.

They got cucked by islam.

The native populations there simply speak Arabic now. Theyre not actual arabs like the ones in Yemen. Ever wonder why Yemenis have curly hair and long noses? Its because they are the cousins of the jews.

Islam is different. Moe was a killer, he died fighting. His disciples were his generals, they all died fighting. Islam has never been at peace.

Religion kills.

The mongols committed genocide against the Persians which they didn't do agains the Chinese. The middle east also had to deal with the black plague,crusaders, and Timur right after.

CLIMATE CHANGE

A mix of Islam and the Mongols didn't help. Even originally Islam wasn't the worst thing ever until then the Mongols assraped the Middle East and turned the whole region into savages. I especially hate to see the fall of Zoroastrianism.

To understand this, you must first understand the history of the fall of the roman empire and the mindset of arabs.

Arabs had little ability to fight the roman empire en masse, and the roman empire had little want and need to push into arab lands (why conquer desert when there are fertile lands in europe?).

So the romans kind of looked the other way and did nothing, and the arabs kind of did a few skirmishes but mostly ignored them.

The arabs however, became good at one thing: They were the first real nation to take up strategies involving sabotaging economies. They knew they could not compete with rome, and were fearful of the nations around them, so they started destroying trade routes and undermining neighbouring countries.

Meanwhile rome did rome things, and went through some social problems (mass immigration being a main one; when people speak of rome being sacked by its own armies, that is true, but it was the immigrants who were in the army doing it, as they had no loyalty to rome).

The death knell came from the spreading of disease. As the bubonic plague swept in from china, it hit rome very hard. Previously, the romans could easily deal with some arab shenanigans along its outskirts, but a weakened, sickly rome could not. The arabs, seeing the weakness, really upped their efforts in economic warfare and that’s one of the big reasons rome fell.

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Following the fall of rome, the arabs had the majority of power. Now, civilizations lead through being comparatively stronger than their enemies, and this can happen in one of two ways; either you make yourself better, or your enemies worse. The arabs focussed solely on sabotaging their enemies, so when they got power…. They couldn’t really do much with it. Instead, they continued to believe that tribalism, theocracy, and most notably FARMING, were the keys to success. For quite a while, this kind of worked, albeit a stagnant method.

When the rest of Europe went through the industrial age, the arabs simply couldn’t keep up. They were so locked into their practices that everyone around them simply moved on up, despite the arab’s best efforts at sabotaging them. When you fail to improve, it is only a matter fo time before everyone else takes over.

TL;DR: Islam and severe traditionalism prevented innovation.

They're all very distinct in and of themselves.

What? The arabs were unified by Mohammed right about the time the Persians and Byzantines exhausted each other fighting then the arabs blitzkrieg'd them both taking most of their territory. The rest of the Byzantine empire was slowly taken away piece by piece over the next 900 years.

>the answer is simple; Islam...
if a book disagrees with the Quran it is wrong and must be destroyed
if a book agrees with the Quran it is not needed, and must be destroyed

>they devote study to a single work of FICTION

They weren't doing shit for a long, long time before Islam hit the scene.

For a short while, genocides and etc.. aside, it was pretty neat. They had a golden age. But Islam failed them in the long run. Weaponized r/ selection.

>Why did the Middle East waste its enormous head-start on the rest of the world?
Religion torpedoed any hope of normal civilization.

>muh end of history
History is not a straight line from the caves to the stars, you moron.

>Hurr how are people who were born 50 years before me not immortal gods by now?
This is you.

Because:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Baghdad_(1258)

technological progress changes the importance of regions in regards to trade and production.
Babylon and co for instance lost their power due to advantages in irrigation techniques in other regions of the Middle East.

the Middle East as a whole lost their importance when trade moved away from the Mediterranean trade, which they controlled thanks to being in between Asia and Europe, to trans Atlantic trade.

the power of Europe was then replaced by the Americans when they reached the west coast, making them the centre of international trade - because they were closest to both Europe and Asia.

and now they're like the mongols: securing the trade routes because they are the source of their wealth.

no religion needed.

Brutal

Exactly, Islam severely contributed to the cause by locking people into traditionalism.

Prior to this, the entire middle east was a clusterfuck of tribalism and infighting. All islam did was band them together to wage war on others. They were, and still are, at war with the entire european peoples.

As rome fell, the pwoer vacuum enabled the middle east to rise, but they did nothing but kill and enslave with it, because their strategies focussed only on fucking other people up, instead of improving themselves.

Everyone there forgot one thing.
Those areas, not only civilisations went down in importance mainly because lands gradually became less and less fertile as irrigation slowly salted the land and turned it into semi-desert it is now.

Cos theres that thing that those lands were used for farming for like 8k years already in 0 year bc.

>trans Atlantic trade.

The middle east became irrelevant logn before the trans-atlantic trade.

It was the industrial revolution in northern europe that solidified their downfall.

Arabs did nothing with science when they had the chance. They had a couple of mathematicians, but that was it. Everything else was heresy.

that's all nice, but back then when there was only one Roman Empire, the arabs were a obscure goat herding tribe at the end of the world. the muslims started their conquest only in 620 or so. at this time the Middle East was predominantly christian.

Which would make sense if the ottomons didn't rise up 150 years later once again re-affirming their lead over europe.

Underrated.

The evil white man is always responsible for the plight of the coloreds.

The ottomans never had a lead over Europe. They just conquered divided European nations. They were nomadic warriors who knew how to fight and nothing else like the rest of the Turkic tribes. Even their cannons and shit they got later were crafted by Hungarians and such..

>Mesopotamian theology was integrated into Islam
only in the levante region and then only before the mongol invasion after that islam took over

>It was the industrial revolution in northern europe that solidified their downfall.
> logn before the trans-atlantic trade.

trans-atlantic trade started with the discovery of the americas you dimwit.

also arabs did a shitload of science. half of all stars that have a name have a arabic name. we even use an arabic name when referring to Al Cohol. that's because they invented distillation.
science and philosophy only ever was reintroduced to the west when greedy Venetian merchants smuggled it in from muslim countries.

>Islam

But really, the climate changed and they fucked up their own land by over cultivating crops.

They killed the Mongol Ambassadors first.

This pissed off the Khan.

If they just let the Mongol Ambassadors go back home safely, this wouldn't have happened.

Distillation was invented by greeks in Egypt. Arabs only improved their methods and were able to make drinks with a very high BBV. The name spirits for drinks is used because they called them ghuls which I presume meant ghoul because of vapour.

Yeah, the entire arabian populace were goat herders.

Persians fall under the arab header. They were warlike and failed to produce actual innovation, instead relying on slavery and colonialism to fund their war machine.

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Climate change doofus

GERMANY YES.

Figures a german would sit there talking about how great arabs are.

Arabs did fuck all to help science along.

They killed him because he was a spy and they were right. The Kharwaziem shah was extremely arrogant however and underestimated the mongols. Then again the Chinese also betrayed the mongols because they didn't think they could beat them.

Persians are Persians. Later during times of muslim rule they were considered second class citizens. If you want to talk arabs, talk arabs. If you want to talk Persians, talk Persians, but when you want to conflate the two because of religion then get your timeline right.

Almost all scientists during the Caliphate era were Persians. The Arabic language was also set in stone by Persian grammaticians.

Living in the desert is like playing a Civ faction whose bonuses are stacked towards the early eras: the lack of ice and jungle disease makes it easy to start up, but there's really only so much arable land room to expand.

France, by contrast, is an ice cube in the Winter, but once you figure out how to manage that it's a giant square of amazing farmland.

Persians are arabs. Deal with it.

Which country did you emigrate from?

>Be Middle East
>Have a comfy live(Sumerians, Assyrians, Canaanites, Babylonians, Akkadians, and so on)
>Sudenly the Aryans come in...
>Try to get along
>The Aryans destroy Elam...
>The Cimmerians come in and pillage you
>Tell the Assyrians to BTFO them
>Your son grow weak and the Medians take over
>They start spreading their religion(BIG MISTAKE)
>The Persians take over
>They spread their religion even more
>The Persians burn the Parthenon in the name of Ahura Mazda (BIGGGGGGGGGG MISTAKE)
>Macedonians take over and force their way into Persia, then they burn Persepolis, and destroy any trace of the religion of the Persia in the name of Athena.
>The Persians are weak for now...
>The Macedonians divide their conquest
>The Parthians come in and take over Persia
>The Romans come in and take over Greece, Anatolia, Egypt, and so on
>>The Greeks are weak for now...
>Both start killing each others while ravaging the whole ME
>The Parthians grow weak
>The Persians take over and start killing anyone who do not follow their religion
>The Romans convert to a kike-cult and kill those who do not respect their kike-on-a-stick
>The whole ME is covered with blood
>The Romans grow weak
>The Greeks take over and also start to kill anyone who do not follow their kike-on-a-stick
>Greeks and Persians ravage the ME
>Northern sandniggers are tired
>Southern sandniggers see that these religions are cool, so they create their own cool religion
>The sandniggers take over Persia
>The Persians are weak for now...
>The sandniggers take over Syria and Egypt with the help of the Northern sandniggers
>The sandniggers fight among themselves
>The sandniggers fight among themselves
>The sandniggers fight the Greeks
>The sandniggers fight among themselves
>Turks come in and take over the ME
>Europeans come in and take over Jerusalem and Anatolia


ME is just a huge battlefield.

Islam wasnt until 600AD you moron

OP is talking about 5000 years ago
5000-600
4400 years before islam

Turks were superior warriors when compared with Persians and arabs since back then they were still nomadic and strength was needed more than wit. Meanwhile the arabs took care of theology while the Persians took care of the arts.

And almost all scientists during the prehistoric era were african.

Doesn't mean they did a good job.

>Turks were superior warriors

LMAO ok.

"African"

They were the closest to the jews when they came to be.

ERE was Roman.

I'm from Iraq and am Assyrian. We still exist. We converted to Christianity. The Mongols came and destroyed shit up. Hardcore Islamic Turks took over done.

The Safavids, Ottomans and Mughals were all turks. Mamluks too,

I'd watch this but honestly I'm so cynical I'm convinced it's going to be more Guns Germs and Steel shit.

Your not actual Assyrian. Genetically there's not much difference between you and arabs other than slight deviation since Christians adopted that identity to distance themselves from muslims.

All of these are correct but ya'll forget about the Byzantine Empire, the Crusades, and al-Ghazali. Don't forget about Colonization by the Western powers.

Christianity is a Semitic religion.

That fucking cube.

so what? can't handle the truth?

interesting. didn't know.

>Persians are arabs. Deal with it.
they aren't. this is like saying germans are English.
both white, both germanic, both part of western culture. still not the same thing.

>Which country did you emigrate from?
Poland.

In the beginning, but not anymore. Fuck off leaf.

>pic

t. christian

just a reminder that christcucks literally worship a kike

>You'll never create one of the 7 wonders of the world to appease your sand queen who wants to just go home to persia

why live

They are both European.

Just like persians are arabs.

And no, the arabs did very little to progress science. Look at what the Greeks did, look at what Europe did...

Now look at arabia. LMAO arabs are fucking useless.

nah. actually the opposite. he's trying to refute this line of argumentation by arguing with trade, technology and geographic locations (and changes in meaning of geography due to technological advances.)

Higher population density.

Even third world countries have great skyscrapers in their large multi-million population cities, but that doesn't make them better than some small Euro countries.

Why don't you say Turks instead of Arabs? Most of us lived in Turkey before 1915. Of course, we may have some Arab in us but we unlike many resisted and lived in remote communities just south of the caucus mountains. Why do you say I'm not Assyrian out of curiosity? Is it the same argument people make about Italians now not being the same as the Italians who came before?

Nice bait sir.

just a reminder to go fuck yourself

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you already disqualified yourself from any opinion by having muslims sabotage roman trade and the industrial revolution happening prior to the discovery of america. why would anybody trust your judgement in what arabs have contributed to human progress? face it, you are an idiot. at this point your only good choice is to not facilitate that impression by stopping posting.

Prove it by posting your glorious assyrian beard.

>The Mongols come in and take over Persia
>Europeans grow weak
>Turks(I know that Saladin is a kurd but i don't care) take over Jerusalem and so on
>Mongols grow weak
>Turks take over Persia and so on
>The Greeks grow weak
>Turks take over Anatolia, and so on
>The Azeris(what a joke) take over Persia
>The Azeris convert Persia to their religion
>Turks and Azeris-Persians kill each others while raving the ME
>Sandniggers grow tired
>Europeans come in and take over the ME
>Jews come in
>Europeans fight among themselves in the ME
>Europeans abandon the ME
>Jews and sandniggers kill each others
>Jews BTFO the sandniggers
>Jews BTFO the sandniggers
>Jews BTFO the sandniggers
>Jews BTFO the sandniggers
>Sandniggers believe they lost because Allah is not with them
>Sandniggers convert back to their cool religion
>Sandniggers fight among themselves
>Sandniggers fight among themselves
>Sandniggers fight among themselves
>Sandniggers fight among themselves
>Sandniggers fight among themselves
>Sandniggers fight among themselves

You can also add a few arabic tribes who migrated from Arabia and ravaged the ME while migrating.

You can't call Assyrians Arab just because of geography. We have maintained a closed off community since Islam came to the region. Sure we may have some Arab characteristics but you are forgetting that we are from the Middle East, not Europe.

This picture I'm posting is the closest thing you will find of the indigenous people of the Mesopotamia.