Hey pol,
I am going to be delivering a speech in front of ~100 people on what's better, capitalism or socialism.
I need some strong arguments. Which one do you believe personally? On a personal level, I incline towards capitalism, but I just need the strongest arguments so I'll choose the stronger one.
Thanks
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There is no better system, even if some Sup Forums retards say otherwise. It all depends on the individuals opinions and how the system is executed.
Personally I prefer capitalism because I dislike egalitarianism, and because I think that people should succeed based on their merits, luck, and degree of hard work.
Capitalism is inherently anti-nationalistic, just look at society today, people are willing to sell his nation and his people out for a quick buck, Chinese and Poo immigrants are taking our jobs for much less than the average aussie worker.
With Socialism we can rip the Jew off his high chair and put his money into the people and their community instead of putting it into the pocket of another Jew who makes his money doing nothing in society.
A socialist volk is best volk, socialism doesn't mean egalitarianism which is a side effect of a capitalist nation.
There is no "better". One puts people ahead of prosperity, and the other puts prosperity ahead of people. Straight down the line is better, balancing the needs of people with the needs for prosperity.
Socialism s real problem is cries for equality of outcome. Look up Jordan Peterson, that kind of ideology only ends in murder.
Capitalism is destructive, and a socialist element can hold it back. Capitalism provides value and prevents complete egalitarianism. The systems are tsundere for each other.
What do you value personally? Egalitarianism, hard work, individuality, what matters to you?
socialism isn't viable in the long term
Capitalism is imbued with the human spirit of enterprise and competition.
You can find all the shit you need about socialism from the waste it left in the 19th and 20th century.
Mention you can't have capitalism with good money and mention the fed and inflation.
I would agree with this desu, a non-Weimar Republic DemSoc would be best.
And Capitalism is? Look how it's doing today, it's ruining our earth and atmosphere, destroying culture and tradition and breaking the morals of a nation. How is it working?
Use pics of cars in the Soviet Union and Lamborghinis for maximum propaganda effectiveness
Market socialism
I'm not opposed to private property or the pricing mechanisms, I just don't think it should result in people starving, not having a place to live, or not getting education or medical care
We could do all these things
>And Capitalism is? Look how it's doing today, it's ruining our earth and atmosphere, destroying culture and tradition and breaking the morals of a nation. How is it working?
why dont you move to venezuela?
>With Socialism we can rip the Jew off his high chair
With his own invention! Oh the irony!
Socialism, specifically of the national variety.
That commie bullshit is retarded, but even more so is capitalism.
When the stock market crashed it took the fucking world with it, people were forced to sell their possessions for a few penny's to put bread on the table, it made the working proletariat class even poorer and miserable.
>it's ruining our earth and atmosphere
That is the result of industrialization.
>destroying culture and tradition
And internationalist marxism doesn't?
>breaking the morals of a nation
Not truly, Capitalism simply accepts the fact that people aren't inherently moral. Additionally, look at the chucklefucks that call themselves socialists.
So what you're saying is... national socialism?
>le Venezuela xd
Venezuela was shit before they invented their own socialism, besides they pulled an Ireland an only relied on one export too heavily.
Marx was a self-hating Jew. He was a massive anti-Semite.
>result of industrialisation
And who is responsible for this? Not the Proletariat.
>people aren't inherently moral
Reddit is out in swarms today lads
Oh and
>international Marxism doesn't?
Fuck internationalism and Globalism, that isn't the plan.
>And who is responsible for this? Not the Proletariat.
Seeing as the Proletariat is the very group that works in factories, yeah I would say Industrialization would have been a big part of Socialism. Every socialist regime pushes industrialization, even socialists admit this.
>Reddit is out in swarms today lads
This is the exact argument that all socialist rely on. "Oh you think there is an inherent flaw in socialism, you are just an enemy that hopes to ruin everything" You are so blinded by rhetoric, you refuse to even argue.
>Fuck internationalism and Globalism, that isn't the plan.
That is the fucking goal of socialism though, a world wide proletarian revolution.
Bait or legitimately retarded?
There's a reason every attempt of communism and socialism has resulted in massive amounts of death and poverty.
Capitalism gave way to American red Cross. Without our immense wealth, we could not go around repairing dams and shit in China, even back in the 1900s
>People forget that American humanitarian missions saved Bolshevik Russia before the Great Depression.
Socialism is better in a perfect fantasy world
Capitalism is better in reality where everyone is greedy and lazy
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>It's a Leaf btfoss Australia episode. My favorite.
This is hard to find.
>Not anarchism
It's the best way
This one is extremely theoretical heavy.
Enjoyable read.
National socialism is the future, you go tell them that.
Marx didn't invent socialism bud. If anything, he coopted it.
You deserve to fail for not doing your own legwork.
Capitalism. It enables people to become successful at the expense of others, which is the best thing in the world.
A plus for capitalism:
Socialism restricts (to a larger extent) the freedom of choice of the consumers i.e. state run industries that only allow state sponsored goods to be traded/purchased
Capitalism (theoretically) allows consumers to essentially voice their opinions using personal money to choose whether or not to purchase a particular product from a particlpular company
In the US, laws have been created to prevent monopolies on most goods, creating competition to see who can sell products for lower prices.
A downside of capitalism:
Capitalism allows and encourages many companies to invest in automation/outsourcing to other countries.
Yes, it lowers consumer prices, but it also kills many jobs in the homeland.
i could go on and on with the downsides of capitalism (and feel free to ask your questions), but I think the ultimate goal is to allow companies to do as they wish, but also to allow for the government (in the US and Europe at least) to step in at some point and say "hey, we fund the fuck out of our military or (we as a government) have signed trade agreements to protect your freedom of commerce. Therefore please stop taking jobs away from our nations' people
Leftists who oppose this
Israel is a racist apartheid state who has illegal Jewish ONLY settlements in the west bank where the border walls are wrapping around them inside Palestinian in an obvious land grab.
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This is why terrorism happens and why the rest of the west gets blowback from it.
Israel builds these settlements on top of Palestinian villages that they have bulldozed by the military.
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If you support Israel you are not a leftist. End of Story.
Proles are sometimes given no choice but to work in the factories, the bourgeoisie attempts to drive up costs of living for the working class everyday. You think they'd work in those factories if the upper class kikes didn't pay them for 50% of the work they did?
>this is the fucking goal of socialism though
SOCIALISM IS NOT COMMUNISM SOCIALISM IS NOT COMMUNISM SOCIALISM IS NOT COMMUNISM REEEE
>trade agreements
I actually mean to say alliances (especially NATO) here, which is agreed to by the United States, which owns the seas, and therefore dictates who can and cannot trade on the global market.
In short, NATO allies always come first economically especially in times of war.
After all these arguments, I'm leaning capitalism.
Explain.
capitalism of course
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This is a question that's interesting. Does capitalism last longer than socialism?
>Socialists literally describe a world wide proletarian revolution
If you somehow think Hitler's national socialism was in any way socialist after killing off the entire socialist wing, you are a moron.
If you somehow think that the Soviet's revolution in one country was somehow meant to just stay in one country, you are a moron.
If you hold the view of a protectionist, nationalistic socialist paradise, you are still refuted by basic economics.
>Proles are sometimes given no choice but to work in the factories, the bourgeoisie attempts to drive up costs of living for the working class everyday.
Maybe during the industrial revolution, but today the proles are given plenty of options so long as they are willing to make sacrifices.
>You think they'd work in those factories if the upper class kikes didn't pay them for 50% of the work they did?
You are a capitalist now I see. These workers aren't motivated by some "greater cause". they just want some money. If they think they can make it without factory managers, businessmen, investors, etc. they can try.
Yes, it does. Sadly, it is twisted around in a democracy, so it cannot survive undisturbed in most of the modern world
self-hating jews are no better than normal jews... just look at the OP pic for God's sake
Do you believe that those who own the means of production have the right to take most of the profits and distribute them as they see fit?
Do you thinkthe upper class got there by hard work, and should keep their rewards, or do you think they unfairly distribute the funds they have?
These are the main questions, socialism is about public ownership of the means of production and abolition of social class.
Basically comes down to, who do you trust more?a businessman or a govt employee?
>Proles are sometimes given no choice but to work in the factories
source?
When done right:
Capitalism is wealth production.
Socialism is wealth distribution.
Capitalism is growth.
Socialism is sustainment.
Capitalism encourages competition.
Socialism encourages handouts.
Capitalism can be immoral but necessary.
Socialism is moral but hazardous to an economy.
In the end, when trade deals and regulations are fair and sensible, capitalism is much better.
Socialism is best if there are no jews.
With jews, you lose no matter which system you pick, but if you are smart you can at least make money with the Jews with capitalism.
Something like modern day China?
You think those Taiwanese girls have any other choice of employment in their American economically dominated society other than the sweatshops?
>Hitlers socialism
NatSoc isn't really about Socialism, it's more about anti-capitalism, because he and many others knew is was an excuse for rich (((people)))to become even richer at the expense of the workers.
>you are a capitalist I see
No, don't compare me to those kike loving faggots. Proles work so they can afford food, shelter etc, not to put money into a fat Jews pocket. They want to work to help their people but he bourgeoisie takes control of that.
>NatSoc isn't really about Socialism
No shit, that's what I said. It was about corporatism, private ownership existed. Their rhetoric was highly Social Darwinist, and they strong armed capitalists into serving the state's interests.
>Proles work so they can afford food, shelter etc, not to put money into a fat Jews pocket.
Exactly, they aren't working to help others. They work to serve themselves, and they see working for Generic Rich Guy #93 because they see that as the best option.
>They want to work to help their people
No, most don't.
>but he bourgeoisie takes control of that.
That is just a useless piece of rhetoric. If I so desired, I could attempt to run a business and sell everything I build.
>That pic
You seem to think that people don't require management. And that somehow capitalism prohibits people from freely trading, but the all glorious socialism allows people to freely trade their labor as they see fit. Additionally, it is the factory owner's capital that makes him valuable; without his money there would be no fucking factory, there would be no money to pay the people that mine resources so they don't, there would be no machines since they can't be purchased. The factory owner chose to invest his money and take risks, and the worker chose to work in the factory.
And you seem to think that people require to be fucked over by (((Generic Rich Guy))) and put into extremely inhospitable factories and forced to work to only get a meagre profit compared to the work you did, not only that in a Capitalist society you are expected to stab your comrades in the back get ahead, you have to keep going back to these factories so you can eventually afford basic human needs.
Seriously what is a Capitalists place in a Nationalist board? How can you let your people be disembowelled by the ruling elite and decide its best for a nation?
Praise be to kek
>That edit
My fucking sides
Sick and poor people are more of a burden on society if uncared for, both are virulent in their own ways, with popular bullshit and crime being the pathogens of poverty.
I tend towards a mixed form myself as either pure form is flawed beyond redemption.
>And you seem to think that people require to be fucked over by (((Generic Rich Guy))) and put into extremely inhospitable factories and forced to work to only get a meagre profit compared to the work you did
Nah, people don't require that. Again under capitalism you can choose where you wish to work. You can try to become the Generic Rich Guy, no promise you will succeed. Under socialism, that simply isn't possible. The workers (through soviets or bureaucracy or whatever) manage your labor, decide what it's worth and force you to do as they say under threat of force.
>not only that in a Capitalist society you are expected to stab your comrades in the back get ahead
You are, because humans naturally put their interests ahead of others. You want to see an example of backstabbing in socialism, look at the Russian Revolution. People backstab, connive, cheat, whatever so you design your system to keep this in mind.
>You have to keep going back to these factories so you can eventually afford basic human needs.
No shit, you have to do this in any system. You can't just have a fucking fantasy land where nobody works. Besides don't like factory work, cities need sanitary workers, welders, miners, etc.
>Seriously what is a Capitalists place in a Nationalist board?
I support protectionist policy in order to motivate domestic production, and support decreasing immigration in order to drive up the equilibrium price of labor.
>How can you let your people be disembowelled by the ruling elite and decide its best for a nation?
That is just useless rhetoric again. I could say the same of you.
Capitalism is the driving force of innovation and evolution.
Socialism is the antithesis of evolution. It is stagnation.
Under capitalism, there is a strong drive for, and a strong reward for, innovation, meeting customer needs, and doing things more efficiently.
Socialism gives the same reward to all levels of effort, and acts as a large retarding force to innovation and evolution. It leads to general dissatisfaction, demotivation, and stagnation, as there are no rewards for effort or efficiency.
capitalism produces a surplus socialism and communism never provides enough for the citizens, every example left to its own devices collapses or adapts a quasi form of capitalism in order to survive and appease the people