Communism is better than capitalism

Communism is better than capitalism.

Discuss.

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well literally every country under communism has failed so....thats the only thing we need to discuss

Totally agree comrade.

My uncles died fighting in Guatemala

It wasn't real communism.

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How the fuck do you define 'real' communism

It's never real communism. That's the joke. Only emotional brainlets think communism is a good idea.

In political and social sciences, communism (from Latin communis, "common, universal") is a social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of the communist society, which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money, and the state.

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it wasn't real communism because communism will never fucking work

If you're implying that that's north korea there, you'll have to explain the cities and all the light in the back end of fucking russia

>Socialism is better than capitalism and Communism

Fixed that for you. Bernie Sanders was right

*revisionism intensifies*

nice meme

None of the current capitalist countries are real capitalism. Real capitalism is better than real communism

Thats China you moron.

>Communism is better than capitalism.

At what?

Happiness.
Literacy.
Equality.

No country will ever be able to reach a state of real communism, they fail within the first few stages of socialism.

Saying capitalism is better than communism at this point in our history is like someone in 1453 saying feudalism is better than capitalism since capitalism has always failed before.

Technology will force us into communism or some sort of equivalent as the price of labor continues to decline.

We need competition to strive as a human race. What's the point of working hard as a doctor when you will get the same as a garbage truck driver in a communist world.

Everything Sup Forums has a problem with can be linked solely to capitalism that has run amuck with no counter measures

>muh immigration

This is done to make a new peasant class in Europe who won't whine about their rights as much and can be paid less. It is solely an economic phenomenon as well as what creates immigrants (wars started to maintain current world financial system and weaken rivals of US hegemony)

>globalism

Self explanatory. No borders = bigger markets with less regulations and only one entity to oversee it all which can be bought and corrupted

>loss of white culture

And what is replaced it? Not Islam. It was mindless consumerism

>terrorism

Who brought these people? Who made them so mad they want to blow themselves up? Again, who, who who

>feminism

Women in the work force = twice the profits

>religion dying

This would happen under communism as well, but capitalism succeeds much better at it because it tempts you away from it rather than repressing it

>Happiness.

Destroying it?

>Literacy.

Again... Destroying it?

>Equality.

By making everyone equally poor?

Oh, wait, I forgot about the HUGE power and wealth gap between the proles and the central planners.

>Literally living in the pinacle of tecnology and science, thanks to capitalism
>Tries to defend a system that starved their own good working people

Marx was in so many kayers of irony that some retards are still falling for his bait.

That's true, and people are too eager to label neoliberalism as cultural marxism, but I think full communism would do the worst of all of these except terrorism.

North Korea has 100% literacy.

People are happier in more equal countries.

I hate to attack the principle of something with the application, but that is what is happening here--conflict between the principle and reality. What you've just wrote describes a communist society and not the inevitable hierarchical and totally socialized state that is reality.

Doctors didn't get paid like truck drivers even in the Soviet Union.

National Socialism > Capitalism/Communism

This. Socialism for the volk. Strasserism, or an Italian style corporatist economy.

"scientifically happier"

the more ZOGged out a place is, the happier these studies published in the media declare them

Never trust happiness measures because a feudal shithole like Bhutan is at the top.

Like the other posters who pointed it out, every communist structure ever implemented has crashed, and crashed quick.

On paper though, communism isn't a bad idea. What kills it is human error. However, communism - even on paper- isn't very cohesive with human nature and desire. Capitalism is, and does.

That isn't how it works you absolute fucking moron.

The point of socialism is for the working class to own the full surplus value of their labor, ie profits go directly to the workers and not to a separate class of owners. It's not government mandated equality or whatever stupid shit they taught you in school.

>loving your job so much that you want your entire life to be work

Mahmed Cuckenberger is pro-commie.
Could you get more gay?

>Real communism has never been achieved. All attempts to reach it have failed, thus we should never attempt to reach real communism.

>Peace has never been achieved. All attempts to reach it have failed, thus we should never attempt to reach peace.

>communism
Poland
>capitalism
Western Germany
Do you still want to discuss this? Really? You are bordering ex commie satellites, fuck, huge part of Germany was under commie occupation. There is nothing to compare.

Nice memes. A surprisingly high number of former Soviets, Yugoslavs, and Eastern bloc residents have said that the old days were happier, especially compared to the decade after collapse.
>destroying literacy
Like how the Soviet Union destroyed literacy by turning 20% literacy into nearly 100% literacy? Or how Cuba and Yugoslavia did something similar?
>huge power gap
The gap between a commoner and nomenklatura member was much smaller than the gap between a capitalist worker and a millionaire. The exceptions are oddball states like North Korea.

>give the goverment total control over your life
>so much better now
Ok

Peace and Communism are 2 different things spic

most of these don't exist anymore

those who survived are owned by western corporations

such is capitalist lyfe

Capitalism allows me to own and operate the company I started myself. Communism would have the government seize it as means of production. That's as far as it needs to go.

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>muh human nature
Capitalism is less than 500 years old. Humans have been around for 200,000 years.

>My brand of autism is better than your brand of autism

History says otherwise

China is communist and they are doing quite well.

>have said that the old days were happier, especially compared to the decade after collapse.

You mean they didn't like their communistic collapse?

How odd....

You're allowed to talk about communism in capitalist countries.

You are not allowed to talk about capitalism in communist countries.

Discuss.

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China, you can PC for cheap plus a jammier if you need to be untracked

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most of their economy is capitalist

>a communist being proud of the oppressive Chinese country

>Nice memes. A surprisingly high number of former Soviets, Yugoslavs, and Eastern bloc residents have said that the old days were happier, especially compared to the decade after collapse.

Lol. A time where they were entirely insulated by economic woes by their command economy and were a part of a politically powerful state rather than some poor country with no jobs and a looming Russia. I'm sure their grandparents spoke about their parent's nostalgia for tsarist times.

>Like how the Soviet Union destroyed literacy by turning 20% literacy into nearly 100% literacy? Or how Cuba and Yugoslavia did something similar?

The only good thing communism is for, civilizing and industrializing shitholes. There's probably a good reason it only catches on in those places too, where workers have very little rights, so it's good for that too.

That's because the majority of their economy, whether privately owned or nationalized, is in the free market. What will they do when the proper industrialization is over, and it's time to build communism? Would their be the first society utterly free from alienation or will there be a second revolution?

the greatest b8 of them all

As in that the capitalist days of "freedom" after the collapse weren't as good as the old days of socialism.

Nigga tf are you talking about? China has been slowly switching away from its communist policies over the past 20 years and their living conditions are pretty shitty

>As in that the capitalist days of "freedom" after the collapse weren't as good as the old days of socialism.

You mean that after communism wrecked their country, their economy sucked?

How ever do you suppose THAT happened?

Retards ITT

"it would be better for us to go down with Bolshevism than live in eternal slavery under capitalism." - Joseph Goebbels

Socialism for the Nazis was a strong welfare state. Genuine "redistribute the wealth" socialists who weren't Goebbels were thoroughly expunged from the party.

>"Oh no I have to work to live"
Honestly fuck you and your cuck'd country

Nice reading comprehension. They were saying that the socialism you're raving about was better than the "liberating" capitalism which was supposed to fix everything but instead caused serious issues.

Thats not real communism. They were doing terrible until their government began encouraging captured ventures.

I think you misunderstand.

Both capitalism and communism are shit, but communism is preferable since it doesn't completely cuck you. Look at post-communist nations today. Not as cucked as capitalist ones.

Staling killed 20 million people. communism is shit

Nah I think I would die to live in the capitalist Nordic model.

this kills the commie

Enjoy being cucked.

no Hungary stale bread didn't kill 20 million people

>North Korea doing more to solve the global warming than the US of A
Really makes me think

If Communism was better than Capitalism then you wouldn't need a violent revolution in order to overthrow Capitalism and install Communism.

fuck I meant Stalin

quality bosnian post tho

Communism has consistently destroyed every country it has visited.
It is about as successful as mass suicide as an economic policy.

they're both wrong it's all about Juche

>Nice reading comprehension. They were saying that the socialism you're raving about was better than the "liberating" capitalism which was supposed to fix everything but instead caused serious issues.

What kind of issues?

People having money instead of the state taking it all and reallocating it to their friends?

And they died for nothing.

Capitalism is natural, communism is a narcissistic complex of superiority of those who think they can govern destiny and individual wills. It's soft-cock masturbation

The contras were defeated. I say they died for a good cause

>Let's have the state control millions upon millions of prices of goods and services

I fucking kek't
This must be a bait thread

Reagan's neoliberalism is just as bad as communism.

Capitalism hasn't?

The melding of fascism and communism yields the best ideology

The melding of ethnocentric fascism and socialism.

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There are countries that are successful with capitalism and survived on that system for more than a couple of years.

Communism has a 100% kill record.

It is if the system is full of nice people
But 95% meme is true

I agree :^)

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>even communist countries know that communism is retarded

Case in point.

It's just illustrative bro. But this word "neoliberalism" don't exist. Is leftist invention

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You're right. "True" communism is a graveyard.

wanna be a communist?

join a commune

from environmental perspective?

Capitalism allows for a profit of 10%. I don't care what you are selling, we all make 10% BEFORE TAXES! All this hate from scumbags over a 10% profit. And yes i did do some business in Russia.