Why do some whites, and particularly you guys, think that America is a white country and that whites somehow are entitled to this land?
This country belongs to the native americans, not to whites. They can chose to let in as many mexicans as they want. It is THEIR land.
Try and refute me
>pro tip: you cant
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...silence.... :) the sound of defeat. I have literally never lost an argument here.
It is not that hard to win here anyway. Racists tend to be very irrational.
THis country belongs to everyone and none who loves the A,erican dream and it's ideals.
Ignore the STORMFAG shills
manifest destiny....look it up
people move around, land titles shift, it's the law of history. every indigenous people on earth migrated to where they are at some point. land only belongs to those who can defend it.
You're retarded. Natives never had a country or borders. They never "owned" the land. They lived on it and with it. They had no concept for ownership of nature. They had no claim to any of it and liked it that way.
and by that logic there is nothing wrong with immigrants coming here and taking it over. so why are you complaining ?
>This country belongs to the native americans
America, the country, only exists because of British whites
lol. They lived in piece with the land. They had no need to divide the land up and make borders and a government.
The people just lived in harmony and lived off the land. There was no need for a military or any other institutions that use violent force.
It was still their land, their home. Europeans just came and took it.
If you think that was okay, than to be logically consistent, you should have no problem with immigrants taking over this country.
>This country belongs to the native americans
They didn't found a country here. The institutions and borders that define the USA were established by colonists.
Using that logic, Turkey belongs to Byzantine.
But it dosen't. Rite of conquest is a fact and you have to live with it.
Why is every shitpost and shill thread literally formatted and worded exactly the same? Genuinely curious
Actually no. It was losely a country before hand. It was a land of people who lived there and lived off the land. It was home to the natives. Just because they didnt form a formal government doesn't mean shit.
Also, the country as we know it now was built on slave and immigrant labor. Blacks and chinese did more work to build the country than the whites who just sat back and exploited their labor.
This is objective fact. not opinion
Then by your logic we know what happens when immigrants come over.
We shouldn't let any of them in so history won't repeat itself.
so you have no problem with minorities becoming the majority then?
So you wont complain after whites are a minority?
Yes or no ? Will you complain when rights are a minority. Yes or no?
Please answer this. Because by your logic, you would just accept it because it is right of conquest.
But you wont accept it.
it's the same lonely faggot
Lol fucking tryhard
I am saying the natives should decide who let people in because it is their land.
>durrr but right of conquest .
So I should be able to just hold you at gun point and take your house from you and move in?
After all, it's right of conquest. According to your logic, that is totally fine.
lol. You just admitted defeat. I post a logical argument. Instead of refuting me, you just call me a faggot.
feels good being intellectually superior :)
Native Americans only ever inhabited about 3% of North America. And it's not our fault they traded their land for shiny beads and medicine that killed them.
By that token, this country belongs to anyone that manages to take it either by force or legal technicality, which is what the Hispanics in your country are doing. So, by your logic, it belongs to non-whites, who are currently using numbers to over take your third-world shithole of a country.
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Have fun with that line of reasoning.
If it belonged to anyone then tey would be letting in anyone they wanted. the fact that this is not happening means you are wrong. I think you lose arguments often.
We're in the process of defending it, which you're condemning is for. I thought you had a problem with Europeans taking over native land?
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I am a native American though, just because you are white doesn't mean you aren't native
>Why do some whites, and particularly you guys, think that America is a white country and that whites somehow are entitled to this land?
because we me made it what it is.
>Inb4 slaves
Doesn't mean shit when you buy the work, it's like saying that machines own the car companies.
America was a fucking bounty, we bought it and we own it. People come legally to work hard, they deserve the benefits and their kids deserve the benefits that their parents worked hard for.
Fucking simple as that.
So if I successfully invade your home, kick you out, and then move my stuff into your house , that is totally okay>?
After all, it's right of conquest.
You can't own the land if your people haven't been in control for the last 200+ years
You've been making a lot of self-righteous noise for about 150 years now, but still haven't left your reservations.
You lost.
Get over yourselves.
Yes that is how conquest works and it's the reason Europe looks the way it does.
>black people are work machines
That alone disqualifies your post. You're a racist piece of shit. You DEFINITELY would not say something like that around me, because I would beat your scrawny ass up.
natives don't have the might
>Failing to realize that the US was established after the Indians had been driven off of european settlements
Alternatively
>Failing to distinguish between the United States and the American continents
How retarded do you have to be
Because white people built the nation that is the USA. Just because a bunch of savage murderers used to live as nomads on the land 500 years ago, doesn't make it theirs.
If you were being sold as slaves back then you were essentially the working machines of that generation.
And if you want to use a different example, imagine a worker at mcdonalds, works his entire life there because they needs the money to survive. Three generations later their kids are saying mcdonalds owes them their business and they don't own anything.
Everyones a slave in some form or another.
So the native American invasion was ok? Why are you now contradicting yourself? Land only belongs to those who can defend it
No, first. Whites made America, the Indians that were there before weren't living in America.
> native American invasion
I should say native American replacement
>There was no need for a military or any other institutions that use violent force.
The natives were at constant war, you fucking idiot. They literally committed genocide against neighbouring tribes. In fact, it was considered more courageous to scalp women and children than enemy warriors, because it meant you had managed to attack their camp. They also had practiced slavery.
This picture makes me want to have a cigarette now
So I suppose we should also make the Mexicans to go back to Arizona (aka Aztlan) and return return Central America to the Mayans. Then we should probably genocide the Arabs living in Iraq and return it to the remnants of the earlier peoples who once lived there (Yazidis, for example). Then we'll finish by exterminating the Chinese and giving China back to Homo Denisova - which we will presumably have cloned for that purpose.
That's how stupid your argument is. The core problem with it is that a nation is not just a bit of land. The people who possess the land are the actual nation.
This means that America 'belongs' does not belong to the Indians anymore than she belongs to the Whites who have lived here for 400 years. Please remember that the Indians did not write the Constitution, pave America's roads, or build her bridges. Most didn't even build two-story houses. America as a political state was created by English colonists.
>buy someones house
>they don't leave
>two weeks later they're getting dragged out by the cops and complain about conquest
>3 years later they start whining about how awful the police handcuffs hurt
So we shouldn't have laws or police to stop people from stealing stuff?>
I wasnt saying that. I was illustrating the stupidity of your beliefs.
Manifest Destiny is only true for whites.
You can bummed one off me user
Good. Eventually America will turn into Brazil-tier country that poses no danger to Motherland or anyone else. Won't even have to nuke you.
>So we shouldn't have laws or police to stop people from stealing stuff?
As much as you try to hold onto the moral high-ground, it's obvious that you are a hypocrite. Here's why:
You have no problem with minorities replacing White Americans but you have a problem with White Americans replacing Indians. The only difference is the race doing the conquering. You are therefore anti-White.
Pretty simple, actually.
>Also, the country as we know it now was built on slave and immigrant labor.
>the whites who just sat back and exploited their labor.
You subhuman baboon. You literal nigger.
>no source
Lol. Haven't you seen the movies. They were all peaceful warriors, doing peyote and exploring their spirituality
we didnt buy the land from them. They didnt even know what capitalism was.
you cant be serious can you? That is the most stupidist post I ever readed.
A country is more than land.
Natives never made any contributions to American society and would have continued their ancient cycle of savagely scalping each other to this day if Europeans had not settled the land.
it will belong to them if they take over
which is why we need to stop being pussies and stop the shitskins
native americans were lawless savages who didn't have a country to begin with. can't invade what doesn't exist friendo
>we didnt buy the land from them. They didnt even know what capitalism was.
so you're telling me we should educate the natives about the entire economy of the world and then strike a fair deal with them?
Also off topic question how many countries have native reserves?
dont put words into my mouth
The natives aren't native, there is a reason why they look asian/mongolian.
White people did a shit load of work before slaves were even introduced you retard.
Also controlling the niggers and guiding things like economy took a lot of intellectual work, and it wasn't even possible to for a nigger to work on that.
Maybe it was wrong to kick out the natives, but now that we're here and have become the obvious leaders I'm going to protect my interest groups.
thats what war is you fucking mong
thats what happened the last time when natives got cucked
are you all retards?>
The Nation of America was founded by whites for whites and will always be that way.
Natives lost the war for their land, after they had already legally given it to us. The day they take up arms and institute their own rule is the day they can have the country, but until then they need to sleep in the bed they made.
Because we kicked native ass to obtain this country. blacks came because we brought them here and they were emancipated by betas
>you cant be serious can you? That is the most stupidist post I ever readed.
I am quite serious. By your own logic ('America belongs to the Indians') then Iraq isn't really an Arab country and China doesn't really belong to the Chinese.
As I already said, the only reason you have a problem with America being a White Nation is that you don't want Whites to conquer more land. You have no problem though with Brown people taking land from White Americans. Your entire viewpoint is hypocritical and anti-White.
>should
Spooky.
>Haven't you seen the movies.
>we didnt buy the land from them. They didnt even know what capitalism was.
>most stupidist post I ever readed.
We conquered it.
>sitting around doing nothing but smoking the peace pipe all day
looks about right
>They were all peaceful warriors
No they fucking weren't. No actual historian believes any of that shit.
Sup faggot. Native american here. Traveled the world, the whites are alright with me and am glad because the we sure as fuck would not have invented any of the cool shit we have today.
Proud to be american. Fuck yourself cuck.
Yes, but don't expect there not be a fight.
>leaf doesn't think it's also happening to his country
Were fighting back, you inbred dog, just like the natives did. Whoever wins, wins.
Conquered peoples don't get to make up rules.
As someone who has actually met 'Native Americans' I can confirm that they're basically a taller version of Mexico's Mestizos: lazy, prone to trading drugs, and violent.
They're honestly far less likeable than Blacks (who are at least comical).
America belongs to whoever wins.
Europeans won.
If rapefugees take over america, they own it.
Eat shit faggot
>in America
Indians didnt live in America
Listen dumb ass, my family are some of the poor fucks whose 'native land' is now consigned to a (very prosperous) slice of Casino property and a few hundred acres or so of trailer park where people can come visit and buy our pottery like its a zoo souvenir
And despite all that even I know my ancestors were warring dicks. Seriously, my ancient culture was comprised of farming, hunting... and war. Scalping. Rape and genocide. Cmon man, its human nature, just cause we worshipped nature dosent make my ancestors saints
Also
>live in piece
Fucking uneducated fuck
>I wasnt saying that. I was illustrating the stupidity of your beliefs.
Yes, the fact stands that if you invaded my home kicked me out etc. you would own it rightfully, you would just need to defend it from the law next. Land only belongs to those who can defend it, a piece of the earth crust doesn't belong to anyone permanently, the notion that the natives own the US is absurd.
>This country belongs to the native americans
On whose authority?
That would mean every other peice of land in the world belongs to whoever happened to randomly "start" on it, and not the currently residing people who fought multiple wars over country bounderies since the beggining of time. but let me guess, its only racist and wrong when whites do it, right?
>being this triggered
Wait, I get it now. I see all your guys' points.
It makes total sense
>whites are superior in everyway
>we should kill all minorities.
Thanks for showing me the light!
it can't belong to the native americans. we killed them. if you kill someone and steal their stuff, it does not belong to them anymore.
and mexico is also the imperial conquest by spaniards, and they didn't even pretend to give a fuck about the natives like we did. so you're a hipocrite there.
reality check: if you lose in war, you lose your land. the indians are lucky to even exist at all.
As we expanded west, it was fucking empty. Smallpox was killing them from the east westward, and I don't remember what, but another illness was killing the injuns from the west eastward. Vid fucking related.
>American spirits
>Blues
mega faggot
They traded it for some beads and pocket change. Deal's a deal.
Read my post, you already got BTFO.
1. No one said Whites are superior in every way.
2. No one said we have to exterminate all the nonwhites (believe it or not, I know a few who I'm rather fond of).
All we need is our own living space. That's it. We just independent, White nation-states. We have zero need to invade and colonize Mexico or other far flung lands.
That is why we have to remove them
If Indians want their land back they should do something about it
this was pretty accurate
he didn't put words in your mouth, brainlet, he just destroyed you shitty argument
OP will never watch this
>Lol. Haven't you seen the movies. They were all peaceful warriors, doing peyote and exploring their spirituality
Ah, so you're not even trying to hide your trolling.
Based. Kek.
A country belongs to whoever had the guns to found it. Drop your retarded ideas. Land doesn't belong to anyone just because some misc. ancestor had it.
Property requires a claim to land/etc. and the ability to enforce your claim. i.e. kill people who try to take your shit.
Land belonging to some group implies that they have both of these things in excess of some other group. They can't beat the US army.
BTW, Mexicans never really had any claim to US land by your standards. The people we call Mexicans today have no relation to the American Indians who occupied the lands hundreds of years ago. In fact, the Mexican government only own those "Mexican" lands for barely a couple decades before they were either ceded or sold to the Americans.
The US is not Mexican land. You have been refuted.
Obvious trolling. What exactly is a "peaceful warrior" anyway? Kind of like a militant pacifist?
If you beat the shit out of me and take my ring then nigga it's yours.
Same with the Natives. We destroyed them and we can wipe them off this fucking planet if they try to start shit with us.
t. Shitskin
>defend it
That's the key word there champ. That's what they are doing.
You're out gunned kiddo.
They are welcome to try. We are welcome to stop them. They may not like what being stopped feels like.
Hahahaha
I hope you aren't trolling, because this is gold.
They don't have power
I drove by the Little Bighorn battleground recently. One side of the road is the battlefield, the other side is the shittiest of native american towns, garbage literally everywhere.
If a land has been in your ethnic majority for longer than living memory, that is to say if no one alive can claim to know or have known someone who was part of a different majority, that land rightfully belongs to you. This works out to about 180 years, two human lifetimes. So Illinois has been White for longer than all living memory, but west of the Mississippi you can still find Indians who knew people who were around before the White Man. If America remains White for the next fifty years, all of it will officially be our Boden.
We kicked in your teeth fair and square. What claim do you hold on America? That your great great great great grandparents lived on it? Lol, sure bud.