Welcome to /mlg/ - Marxism-Leninism general. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism. Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage. What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists: >Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure issocially owned, and goods
are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need. >Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability,
to each according to their need. >To acheive such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the
capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in
which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there
will be only one class, the working clas, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the
Free market was a thing in the mid-1800s but the free market naturally develops into monopolies and market domination by conglomerates.
This is a natural progression, communism is the next stage in the progression.
Hunter Rogers
(((Karl Marx))) also japan shame on you you should know better
Brandon Phillips
>Welcome to /mlg/ - Marxism-Leninism general.
I've maybe killed communists.
How does that make you feel?
Aiden Lewis
False. National Socialism is the next stage of humanity.
Matthew Scott
How do you reach communism? To turn the USA into a communist state what are the necessary steps?
Jonathan Collins
Fuck off commie scum
Zachary Anderson
About time, Sup Forums will become red!
Aiden Barnes
I don't feel anything about that. My goal is simply to spread the ML meme to hasten the coming of communism.
Fascism I think is a higher form than liberal capitalism at least. At least the capitalist class is somehow subjugated by the state and made the serve (at least theoretically) the people. Still it's a half-measure. But it has planned production/markets and such so it's a step in the right direction, in a way.
I think it could be done without excessive bloodshed by introducing state-owned corporations which would produce low-cost potentially subsidized goods to the market and employ a lot of people. And it would produce to meet social needs rather than for profits. Gradually the government could out-compete all private enterprises. Also the state could put a tax on a the actual shares of the stock market. So every time some parasite trades stocks the state would gradually own more and more of the companies being traded.
The critical thing is shifting production away from profit-driven production for private corporate owners, to production of goods to fill the social need/demand for them.
Profit-driven production (production of goods in simply in order to sell those goods) is what causes bubbles and recessions. The USSR managed to basically avoid the great depression because of its planned economy.
Jack Thompson
pol will never be go red screen cap this!
Owen Morales
Let me know any advice on the general copypasta, comrade. I fucked up the formatting this time lol. But new information, formatting, etc.
Kevin Reyes
You're not having a (((marxism))) general here mate
Sage.
Lucas Brown
Nothing you can do about it, bluepill.
Ethan Ortiz
>which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class
And then 30 million people starve to death because everybody who was competent or ambitious enough to get any work done is gone.
The most astounding part about this Marxist fantasy is that these unemployable losers think that if only the "means of production" were handed over to them they'd do a better job managing it than those who actually conceived, built, and maintained them.
Aiden Ward
Does anyone else fear that the modern left has been too "cucked" to seize the means of production and to eliminate the bourgeoisie? I mean, I don't think there would be any room for "safe spaces" in a workers' revolution. Also, I think that communistic movements have been too entrenched in academia, with no exposure to the conditions of the average working man or woman. I actually work in a factory, so I am able to experience the plight of the proletarians firsthand, and to theorize based upon these experiences.
Luis Lopez
Canada using Jap proxies now?
SAGE
SAGERU
Lincoln Thompson
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Hudson Cooper
The movement in the US is in shambles/practically non-existent. It needs a lot of work lol.
Tyler Johnson
>marxism-leninism
Is that a joke? That's like saying Anarcho national socialism.
Dominic Brooks
Convince me why anarcho-syndicalism/communism isn't the answer
as far as I can see as the Marxist-Leninist experiments were oppressive messes
Ayden Thomas
Get this bullshit out of here. Japan you should be ashamed
Parker Gray
Fuck leftists
Nolan Walker
>Also, I think that communistic movements have been too entrenched in academia, with no exposure to the conditions of the average working man or woman. I actually work in a factory, so I am able to experience the plight of the proletarians firsthand, and to theorize based upon these experiences.
Also yeah. Wall too ivory tower/academic. Conservatives accuse college professors of being Marxist but the heyday of that was like 50 years ago. Now they identity politicking liberals. Your post reminds me of of how Mao sent party officials 'down to the countryside' to work with and learn about the actual situation of the workers and farmers.
Do you have experience with unions? How are things in them?
Charles Sanchez
Is this tomorrow in Sup Forums where is the communists will take over. Hell no, make sure to go to your nearest far right group and tell them if you ever saw a commie. Better dead then red.
Benjamin Sullivan
Have a broad question.
How does communism answer the motivation question? Ie: personal incentive to work, innovate, and produce is lowered under communism
Sebastian Hernandez
>Wall Way*
How can you coordinate economic production, and fight off sabotage by the bourgeoisie, without an organized political body (state).
Most of the 'oppression' stuff is just Cold War propaganda though anyway.
Sebastian Price
Communism was a ploy made by Jewish Zionists. What is the use of communism. Basically, Communism is just that they force you to take in a bunch of poor welfare mudslimes into your house.
Landon Wright
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Nicholas Martin
REDDIT SHILLS IN THIS THREAD! ABORT!
Oliver King
Rare flag. Although the end goal is "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need", at first there has to be a market of sorts. Like, you are paid for your labor by the state and then buy goods from the state. But gradually more and more things would become free/available to all. Like water, internet, power, basic foods, etc. It would be a step by step process and we would have to fell it out. Eventually money will become less and less significant to people, as more things are just seen as 'staples'.
Jonathan Wright
I don't really use reddit. I did see that (on here) and get inspired though. But anyway I've thinking I should try to redpill Sup Forums for a while now. And after right-wing became mainstream, now seems like a good time to start.
Blake Rogers
I think we need to abolish the confrontation between the social-democracy and communism. Initially, Lenin claimed that dictatorship and radical reforms are necessary, while Kautsky maintained that gradual change and parliamentarism are the only way.
I believe that history proved that Communism is effective for backwater nations while social democracy works for developed ones, so they both have their place on earth, and both are practical application of Marx theory.
Jacob Brown
So this is the newest Marxism wave.
lets see how long it lasts
Hudson Walker
but what happens with freedom of choice? let's say I was born in a family of miners but growing up I wanted to learn/study arts or engineering?
On the other hand... in this country (US coldwar baby) for starters education is expensive as shit, it's not a right... and they give a handful of options to study yet only a small amount of careers are profitable... so you could say there is "choice", but it's really a sham.
Jeremiah Wood
Marx and Engels both said that revolution wasn't strictly necessary, but would be effective.
>social democracy works for developed ones I think social democracy is not communism because it's just feeble welfareism and trying to please the masses without stepping too much on the toes of the elite. It doesn't address the issue of private property to any serious degree, and it's blind. Reformist Marxism, though, might work, it's hard to say at this point though.
>let's say I was born in a family of miners but growing up I wanted to learn/study arts or engineering?
Why couldn't you go do that under state socialism? Marxism doesn't mean iron-fist authoritarianism.If you wanted to study or change jobs I don't see it being a big issue really.
Cameron Thomas
>Gradually the government could out-compete all private enterprises How the fuck can you be against monopolies and big corporations and at the same time want a total government control of everything? Don't you realize those in charge will use their newfound power for self benefit and never give up on the position they're in?
>Profit-driven production (production of goods in simply in order to sell those goods) is what causes bubbles and recessions Wrong. Economic crisis are a natural consequence of a free market but these are necessary to weed out unwanted services, products ,shitty businessman and companies from society. They also should have little or short term impacts on society.
Generalized mistakes that completely break the economy like the great depression are always caused by economic incentives that introduce false signals into the economy, mostly in the form of easy credit by banks.The great depression would not have happened without the federal reserve.
Nolan Parker
You can't colonise Sup Forums, leftypol inbreds. The only thing you will achieve is that we will redpill some of you just like we redpill some ctr shills, libtards and even some juden.
I've already this day redpilled 2 commies about bolsheviks and they dropped the idea about "muh stalin and lenin"
Go back to leftypol and plebbit.
David Barnes
>How the fuck can you be against monopolies and big corporations and at the same time want a total government control of everything?
They are fundamentally different because: Under capitalism, goods are produced in order to sell them and make a profit. So goods are overproduced or can't find enough buyers and then need to scale back, laying off workers and thereby decreasing even more their customer base. This spirals and leads to economic crises. This is what Marx called 'anarchy in production'. Under socialism, goods are produced according to social demand for them. If 1mil people need shoes this month, 1mil shoes are produced. This is the reasonable and superior way of doing things.
Alexander Smith
The business I work for has no union, so I have no experience with them. However, it seems to me that workers here are afraid of losing their jobs if they do anything to promote their interests such as striking or unionizing. Even in the state of Texas, where I work, and where there is low unemployment, the workers are still sufficiently dissuaded from cooperating in their own interests. I really think that we need another recession in order to get things moving.
Angel Anderson
>coordinate economic production syndicates and workers councils
>fight off sabotage by the bourgeoisie A popular militia
by keeping the state around, you let the bourgeoisie seize it again. like in Russia or China
Henry Peterson
meh, wouldnt work
But thanks for the response
Jordan Lopez
>I think social democracy is not communism because it's just feeble welfareism and trying to please the masses without stepping too much on the toes of the elite. It doesn't address the issue of private property to any serious degree, and it's blind. Reformist Marxism, though, might work, it's hard to say at this point though.
100% state property is not the answer and it does not produce any sort of communist or socialist society, besides that, it is unproductive in many areas like retail and agriculture.
Both communist and socialist (as well as any other government) can fall into crisis. Just like social democracy can be bought out by oligarchy, the communist government may form it on its own.
Ayden Wood
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Levi Moore
its funny because most of these people supporting communism would be classed as bourgeoisie and subsequently shot
Brayden Brooks
Why don't you praise 浅沼 稲次郎 ???? He was a fucking HERO OF SACRED NIPPON
Well unless you are some weaboo engrish teacher.
Levi Hall
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Jace Reed
No problem. One thing to note is that people's motivations and mindsets change according to the era they live in. Like long before money was around people were hunter gatherers and just worked because they had to, and that was their way of life, to support the tribe. So people's mindsets can change but memes have inertia like everything else and it would need to be a gradual process. Anyway, while a socialized state run market exists, people would still have motivation to work because they still need to buy goods.
Sebastian Hughes
Fuck off to reddit or /leftypol/ faggots
Hudson Williams
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Logan Mitchell
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Carter Kelly
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Jack Brown
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William Howard
Aren't 'syndicates and workers councils' basically the state, but dressed up in "soft" language? Either way you need to coordinate production across the entire society, so you need a state powerful enough to do so.
And a popular militia could physically fight the bourgeoisie, but there is also the issue of political and economic subversion by capitalists which need an organized political force to resist and overcome.
Carson Bennett
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Tyler Bell
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Dominic Brown
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Chase Stewart
You have to go back.
Cooper Cruz
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Adam Reyes
>Aren't 'syndicates and workers councils' basically the state, but dressed up in "soft" language? Either way you need to coordinate production across the entire society, so you need a state powerful enough to do so.
No. They would be horizontal not hierarchical, with instantly revocable delegates and democracy at all levels.
A federation of industries could coordinate production without a state. In fact I'd argue a state will allocate resources poorly, especially in a centrally planned economy. Planning should be done at the lowest level possible.
Dominic Morgan
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Benjamin Williams
>communism >government
when will normies learn?
Logan Taylor
Oh yeah We know.
Tyler Nelson
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Chase Reed
we need Red and Black unity tbqh
Nolan Foster
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Jordan Williams
>Under capitalism, goods are produced in order to sell them and make a profit. So goods are overproduced or can't find enough buyers and then need to scale back, laying off workers and thereby decreasing even more their customer base
Overproduction is a meme. As a mentioned before companies will make mistakes regarding demand for products but this will never lead to generalized crisis under a free market because most companies won't make this mistake at the same time. You're talking about people that need to predict how the economy will move and change to make a profit.
It's also pretty hard to measure "social demand" without a market.
Julian Mitchell
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Jack Russell
leftypol cant even come up with their own memes
come on
Asher Young
>free market failed once >ITS NATURAL THAT MONOPOLIES DEVELOP IN CAPITALISM WE HAVE TO REPLACE IT
>communism failed 26 times >uhhh it wasnt true communism guys
Luis Price
>quick google search only reveals stormfront as source Spichard Rencer pls
Brandon Cook
>tfw Sup Forumsacks have to create memes for them Why again leftypol failed and will always fail?
Gavin Bell
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Cooper Lopez
>>free market failed once lmao
not 7 years go by without an economic crisis of some sort
Anthony Perry
How naive are you?
Pro-tip: Governments are, in general, much much less efficient at completing any given task in time and money than corporations.
Also, as the other user mentioned, companies do not intentionally overproduce. The only case I can think of where things are intentionally over-produced are things involving subsidies which are obviously not part of the free-market.
Ian Ortiz
>Spencer spreg You probably believe the alt-right meme right, plebbitor?
Jaxson Mitchell
we are seizing the memes of production.
kek is with us.
Samuel Moore
Very much..... Go back to plebbit.
Noah Miller
Your stupid ass fucking faggot nonworking bullshit doesn't do anything except starve people to death. 100,000,000 are dead from it. Hang it the fuck up and let Communism die in the past where it belongs. Goddamnit, you idiots are thick.
Jacob Phillips
KEK HAS SPOKEN
Charles Lewis
Because Commies aint creative enough to produce their own memes.
You have your own 'production'. Go create your own product.
Connor Hall
By definition, individuality and equality are mutually exclusive. To predicate your society on the lie of equal individuals will lead to consequences. The communist ideal is fundamentally flawed.
Lincoln Walker
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Justin Wright
>Genocide led by the governments >war declared by the government >the fault of capitalism Genius
Colton Morgan
>Pro-tip: Governments are, in general, much much less efficient at completing any given task in time and money than corporations. [citation needed]
Corporations only have a duty to maximise profit, private prisons are known to cause higher recidivism than public prisons, apple and samsung products are shittily made and are designed to break just after warranty ends (even though they could easily make a more durable product), public utilities are generally cheaper and better quality than privately owned
William Lewis
Peoples movement my ass.
Anthony Morgan
>tfw people are actually retarded enough to believe in this shit
Anthony Cook
>taking straya seriously fucking plebbit
Jack Taylor
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Gavin Sanchez
Make receiving social aid dishonourable/embarrassing again
Colton Wright
>failed ideology general!
Ethan James
>implying there aren't pro-capitalist or pro-socialist states >implying capitalism=no state
Austin Butler
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Nathan Richardson
>The most astounding part about this Marxist fantasy is that these unemployable losers think that if only the "means of production" were handed over to them they'd do a better job managing it than those who actually conceived, built, and maintained them. thenation.com/article/worker-cooperatives-are-more-productive-than-normal-companies/
Angel Gray
Look it up idiot. There basically the same thing.
Adam Cruz
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Kevin Hill
Archaism would be amazing if it worked.
Hunter Adams
If there really was an ancient advanced global human civilization that had all of its knowledge destroyed I can only assume it was because they were trying to erase communism.
Jason Gomez
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Henry Garcia
>Black Book of Communism Kek, even two of the writers of that thing admitted that they exaggerated to achieve the 100 million figure.
