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Redpill me on climate change.
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Camden Foster
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Josiah Taylor
It's turtles all the way down
First and foremost. The 97% is bullshit
1. Science is not consensus it is fact. A group of people cannot decide truth only evidence and proof.
2. If global warming was real no one would tell you 97% of scientists agree. They'd show the fucking proof.
Jeremiah Lewis
Zoom out
Nathan Taylor
Seems to fall in line with the explosive growth of minority populations.
Time to gas everyone to save the planet.
Josiah Davis
>climate change
>(((change)))
'Nuff said.
Adam Turner
It's real
Carson Flores
Invented by the Chinese.
David Howard
Carbon levels are confirmed really fucking large. But like most things, a group is always going to try to use a movement as leverage and climate change in just like a watermelon. green on the outside but its Marxist all throughout the middle.
Alexander Ross
>be me
>be gay
Leo Stewart
it's real
we will die because of it (indirectly)
there nothing we can really do (that doesn't human rights) to stop it
so just sit back, and enjoy the burn
Ryder Wood
It's not man-made
Temperatures are actually cyclical because earth is on a tilted axis and at an elliptical orbit
What we are in now is called an interglacial period
Ethan Richardson
Climate change happens naturally
Anthropogenic global warming ... oops i mean climate change is nothing but a meme
Leo King
>Redpill me on climate change.
Most academics who had knowingly or unknowingly acted as agents of influence or propagandists for the USSR were devastated when it collapsed.
Long enjoying the idea of marxist-leninism because it gave the conceptual freedom or achademics to seize the private property of others and run batshit crazy social experiments with the states jackbook supporting them they were lost and in the wilderness.
Then the environmentalist movement came along and provided a reason d'etre for abolishing private property. They were delighted there was a potential argument to resuscitate their much beloved marxist state by saying that seizing private property was necessary for 'something something' environmental
Milankovitch cycles dictated that the earth temperature was rising over many thousands of years but now suddenly they started pumping out studies containing statistically irrelevant data and incomplete models claiming apocalypse unless they at the help pf all decision making collectivized everything including literally air and appointed themselves arbitrators in major decision making. This meant lots of money and much virtue claiming for the Marxist academics who secretly knew it was bullshit but again basked in the public eye and their own egos just like when they had played dress up as Che Guevara in their undergrad days in the 60s and 70s.
The end..
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Jackson Lewis
IT IS BULLSHIT
Josiah Martin
climatechangefags BTFO
Kayden Watson
>Milankovitch cycles
Easton Rivera
>It's not man-made
>Temperatures are actually cyclical because earth is on a tilted axis and at an elliptical orbit
>What we are in now is called an interglacial period
Milankovitch cycles
Levi Parker
>it's real
>we will die because of it (indirectly)
>there nothing we can really do (that doesn't human rights) to stop it
>so just sit back, and enjoy the burn
Milankovitch cycles and we evolved so as to specifically survive them.
Luke Kelly
Has there been an increase in heater sales?!
Oh shit! Solar panels?!
Caleb Fisher
If you actually want a redpill, dig into climategate. The fraud is all exposed here.
Lucas Lopez
The late Natalie Grant Wraga once wrote, “Protection of the environment has become the principal tool for attack against the West and all it stands for. Protection of the environment may be used as a pretext to adopt a series of measures designed to undermine the industrial base of developed nations. It may also serve to introduce malaise by lowering their standard of living and implanting communist values.”
And who was this person?
Natalie Grant Wraga (who died in 2002 at age 101) was an internationally-recognized expert on the art of disinformation. In her Washington Post obituary, Herbert Romerstein — veteran intelligence expert in the legislative and executive branches of government ” described Grant/Wraga as “one of our leading authorities” on Soviet deceit.
In a 1998 article appearing in Investors Business Daily (IBD), reporter John Berlau wrote that some of the most respected scholars on Soviet Intelligence have credited this woman with teaching them how to penetrate desinformatzia, Moscow’s term for its ongoing operation to deceive foreign governments.
John Dziak ” onetime senior intelligence officer at the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA)” is quoted by IBD as saying were it not “for someone like Natalie, we would have had more failures, and the Soviets would have had more successes.”
John Adams
Was it surface area that grew, or mass?
Henry Russell
James Jackson
youtube.com
We are either fine or we are fucked. No changes in policy we do now will change that.
Josiah Nelson
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Good video.
Caleb Ross
Why do almost all other countries except america recognize climate change as a problem? I'm sure all the climate change deniers that were funded by oil companies certainly dont have conflicts of interest.
Bentley Ward
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Daniel Sanchez
>Greatest extent since 2006
Cool metrics bro
Blake Reyes
Climate change every century and millennium because our planet, Earth isn't dead and is still growing.
Hence all the earthquakes, volcano and shitty temperature changes right now as Earth goes through the growing pains again every so often.
Shitty (((professors))) and (((esteemed leaders))) that try to scam you through Princes of Nigeria emails, snake oils, get rich quick scams now found their new darling since most people like you don't know much about environment nor climate but understand the damages natural disaster caused and dislike that.
Their scam is simple.
Offer retarded solutions that pretty much do nothing like swallowing snake or fish oil for cancer but charge hundreds of billions of dollars to your governments for it, with support of politicians that get a cut of that money too.
This is why so many people keep shilling about climate change being well. To look as if they are smarter than others and because they are being paid too. Also the reason so many (((scientists))) being paid through the roof to keep churning out (((researches))) to keep the billions of dollars coming from idiots.
Joshua Wood
The most literate idiot I've seen in so long I'm in awe of its degeneracy.
Grayson Morales
>few 10 thousands years ago we had an ICE AGE
>most likely MULTIPLE ups and downs for the fucking billions of years the Earth has existed
ok
Jonathan Lee
If sea levels are going to rise why is no one doing anything about it? Build dykes everywhere now. Dig a bunch of canals and let the ocean fill them up.
Checkmate, carbon dioxide.
Austin Bailey
If those (((scientists))) and (((activists))) were really worried about Earth they would campaign against the loss of forests, habitats, pollution and other actual real problems.
James Hall
Can't (((stop))) that what's been done.
Lucas Miller
>Make a model that starts in 1979 -- at a low temp fluctuation point
>World naturally warms back up
>Blame people
>Insist a global government needs to stop this warming by creating carbon credits and taxes
>All elites start firms that make money off carbon credits.
>Control sovereign countries that sign onto this by withholding funding much like the federal government controls and manipulates states via withholding funding
>Total control for the biggest world banks and multinational conglomerate monopolies
That's man made global cooling/warming/change.
If one wants to respond by citing "the scientific consensus", one simply has to go look at climategate. It's a fact the data is manipulated. Any "scientist" that questions or promotes a model to test the validity of the (((correct))) one is let go.
Adam James
and fuck you OP for leaving the thread immediately.
Connor Rivera
>large
okay buddy, carbon levels have been over 4000 ppm and life thrived. a warm earth is a happy earth. biomass is exploding in amount as the world warms. crops grow better. we were very close to the sub 200 ppm level where plant life starts dying off. we are literally saving the earth.
Leo Ortiz
Still talking mass loss in some important agricultural land. How do you make up for the loss in arable land?
Brody Rodriguez
This
Cameron Cook
The Truth about Climate Change
Oliver Robinson
>First and foremost. The 97% is bullshit
And you don't go on to falsify the statistic
>If global warming was real no one would tell you 97% of scientists agree. They'd show the fucking proof.
We can influence CO2 and CO2 influences climate:
In the snowball earth whilst all other factors remained constant or were accounted for CO2 concentration increased causing the warming of the earth and eventual melting of the snowball earth
researchgate.net
Deglaciation periods preceded by orbital forcing would not have been possible in their scope if it were because of orbital forcing alone, the greenhouse effect due to CO2 and other greenhouse gases must have taken place to cause this
researchgate.net
atmos.washington.edu
Elijah Morris
Temperature is a false flag
It's the CO2 levels that are affecting the Ocean, most of it is bullshit, but it is real, and happening.
Significant? Somewhat, things are dying, should we care? Probably.
Do we? nah.
John Phillips
THAT HOCKEY STICK IS A LIE. For the past 20 years, there has been a constant theme of REVISIONISM in the scientific community for the temperatures. WHAT YOU *****NEED***** TO BE AWARE OF IS THAT GRAPH IS USING REVISED TEMPS and NOT AS MEASURED TEMPS...? why... well the graph is no longer a DOOM AND GLOOM and cannotbe used for the elites agenda.
Notice in the graph they dont say it is revised or measured... because they dont want to use the measured.
WOULD A READER HERE REVISE THEIR THERMOMETER ON THE BACK PORCH before interpreting what it means?
Logan Carter
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>World naturally warms back up
Why did it do this
Carson Turner
>It's the CO2 levels that are affecting the Ocean
As in sea level or acidification? Because both are definitely happening
Ian Lopez
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Lucas Watson
It's a great thing. I fully support rising temperatures and sea level.
Levi Foster
Go to bed John you ugly cunt.
Robert Fisher
Far FAR worse than they are willing to tell us, because seriously addressing climate change would destroy industrial society. In this way, literally EVERYONE is a climate denier - no one actually takes it seriously or is willing to do what it takes to save us.
1. Population control
2. Mandatory veganism
3. Ban all cars
4. Ban commercial air travel
5. Electricity rationing
6. Massive price increases for all goods
7. Massive job losses in all sectors
All this and more, if we were to stop denying climate change as a society.
It won't happen, though, so by 2030 the Arctic will be gone and by 2050 nonlinear climate change will have pushed us into Greenhouse Earth territory. By 2075, humanity is extinct on most continents and possibly extinct world-wide if we decide to go out with a bang and nuke each other.
Dylan Green
If climate change is real it's already too late.
Ride the tiger.
Asher Cox
>In order to establish an actual human impact…an appropriate baseline must necessarily include millions of years of data to account for this variation
In order to establish actual human impact all that needs to be demonstrated is that humans may affect atmospheric CO2 concentration and that CO2 may in turn affect climate. The historical correlation of the two and the necessity of the greenhouse effect in the melting of the snowball earth and deglaciation confirms the latter and the former is confirmed by isotopic analysis of atmospheric CO2.
>We are in one of the coldest periods in 65 million years
Modern humans have been around for 200 000.
>There is absolutely no evidence that current temperatures are outside of the trend of totally natural variation
True
>Muh truncation
This is done to show the relationship between produced CO2 and temperature, nothing else
>Ice caps melting
Yes but data showing recent melting is just indicating that the earth is currently warming, no ones making claims about having historically low ice cap levels
>Nothing abnormal about current melting rates
True
>Sea level has been rising at a very steady predictable rate
The kind of sea level rise we have currently measured has been in the order of tens of centimetres and the y-axis of the graph has units in the order of 20 meters. Throughout this period there would be slight variations in rate of change of sea level as the earth warmed and cooled but nothing you could pick off from this graph. Yes, sea levels currently at an increasing rate because of warming.
>Climate behaving abnormally, much less due to human impact
Correct, climate has behaved like this before as CO2 has varied although this time the CO2 is varying primarily due to humans
>Hypothesis of CO2 affecting climate
Nope, empirical evidence, see snowball earth and deglaciations
Jaxon Mitchell
>Models are terrible at making predictions
His pic wildly misrepresents the data and the models links below are to the rectification of his data as well as five other correct models. If this was just a hypothesis there’s no chance so many of these could ever be right
static.skepticalscience.com
static.skepticalscience.com
i.guim.co.uk
static.skepticalscience.com
nsidc.org
>Current temperatures not deviating
Again, there need not be anything special about today’s temperatures for it to be caused by humans
>warm further just by way of natural variation
So adding to this would be catastrophic, we’d have no time to adapt
>Unusually cold peak period
Pulling this shit from his ass, literally no proof, the graph posted can’t even lead you anywhere close to that conclusion it’s impossible to discern any sort of cycle
>Not deviating from current trends
Do I need to tell you why this guy is retarded again?
Xavier Butler
Go do your sudoku puzzles John you ugly cunt.
Nicholas Bell
>NZ intellectuals