They are going to start doing the jobs that humans currently do
Truck Drivers Delivery people Agricultural workers Warehouse workers
these will be the first to go but they won't be the last, the capability of robots will increase and they will do more and more complex jobs
What will happen to society? What will happen to these people when they have no income?
What happens when 80% of those currently with a job can no longer be employed?
Will people revolt? Will the economy collapse? Products will be produced but who will buy them?
I don't think this is a far off problem, Driver-less trucks will be on the road within 3 years, Truck Driving is a huge employment sector, that shock alone will be huge and it will just be the beginning.
>Driver-less trucks will be on the road within 3 years
Yep, I'm sure Swift and Schneider will have all of their combined 40000 trucks automated in 3 years, along with the 20000 other trucking companies in the US. Fuck you for making me reply.
Alexander Davis
Its just another industrial revolution. Quit shitting your pants and enjoy an even easier life with more free-time.
Robert Stewart
Expect a renaissance of the mercenary industry.
Liam Howard
If all these robots were programmed to follow engineers' directions exactly, whole industries would collapse in a matter of days.
Would be fucking hilarious because the engineers wouldn't understand why all their impossible and unnecessary designs were failing.
Brandon Hernandez
no they won't all be replaced immediately but soon enough
a driverless truck never gets sick, never has to sleep, will crash less often and don't need to be paid only maintained
they are superior in every way to human drivers, once the company starts shifting over it will go one way towards robots and away from humans
Parker Richardson
yes, there is a positive, if people don't have to do manual labor
but what about income, how will permanently unemployed people pay for the stuff they need
Owen Ramirez
What are you getting at? If they didn't have to pay labor costs and could get their shipment delivered faster than their rivals because their driver's don't sleep, they'll switch as soon as they can.
Don't transport companies operate on pretty thin margins anyway?
Easton Hall
This would be a good thing. Companies will stop importing thrid world trash to do shit jobs for low pay.
Dominic Cooper
I believe their will be a war over capping automation.
Nathaniel Martinez
If those people really can't find another job, they will be provided for, since the production efficiency will be so high, it would easily be able to afford such cases.
David Campbell
"Look at me lol guise I have 0 knowledge of automation and have never had a job but I saw I robot when I was high on adderal with my gay friend so the whole world is gonna be run by robots isn't that cool what will you do?"
- OP 2016
Liam Diaz
see, that is what I think
it could go one of two ways
1. War / Revolution - Millions of pissed off unemployed people get their guns and storm the capitol because they have nothing better to do now (who knows what happens after this?)
2. Basic income (the less bloody route) - the government makes payments to people who can't get any work, they have to be taken care of
the reason I don't see #2 happening is because government's are controlled by the corporations who they would have to tax for the basic income money, I just don't see them doing it,
the thought of the clash scares me
Ethan Ramirez
>tfw Train conductor Not gonna be replaced anytime soon. No, they won't replace us with robots, there will always be a need for someone on trains, even if they do do much of the driving.
Christopher Phillips
alright leaf, explain to me how this will all work if I am so wrong about it
Jace Rogers
mexican robots will replace your unionized lazy american robots.
Carson Kelly
I don't know, If a Truck can be automated I don't see why a train can't be
Landon Brooks
Planes have been automated for decades, yet there are more pilots employed now than ever before.
Andrew Gutierrez
Because a truck isn't carrying passengers who might be blocking a door open leaving the train stuck at a station. I'd love to see the robot having to leave the front of the train and ask the person to kindly move his foot.
Aiden Rivera
If this ever happen some kind of communist economy based on the robots working for people (like in Rome with the slaves), and people earning money for the robot's work could be a good system.
Aaron Davis
Service industry will have to absorb the new workers expanding the variety of services that exist now. Personal shoppers, maids, drivers, in home cooks, assistants, etc...
Jacob Davis
True, however the same will not be true for Truck Drivers, I guarantee you there will be no one in those Trucks
Camden Flores
MAINTAIN A POPULATION UNDER 500,000,000
Hudson Howard
What's scary is your earnings, and success, are capped. Hard.
Literally anti-prosperity.
Also, the state has no reason to keep you healthy. You're actually a leech. We will see questioning of the ethics of it in the future.
Leftists already point out people who say basic income from automation is fine but these same people are the ones who stand to actually EARN in that economy.
Maybe we just become a nation of artist philosophers.
Ryan Myers
Great, can't wait for the robots.
Wanna see what justification (((they'll))) come up with for importing subhumans in the future, if it's not jobs and "low birthrates".
Connor Phillips
>Everyone's basic needs will be met by robots >Hur dur apocalypse!!!
We went through this shit in the industrial revolution. Learn to code or get fucked.
Aaron Carter
>Driver-less trucks will be on the road within 3 years good, all of Sup Forums in America will have to stop posting a get a job since their dad can't support their white trash family anymore.
Leo Lopez
The answer will be to impose regulations like huge tariffs and government restrictions - IN YOUR FACE LIBTARDS!
Jose Long
>artist philosophers. tends to not pay the bills
yah, I get all of those problems with basic income, but I don't foresee the robots stopping, I can't think of a logical way around these issues
Alexander Johnson
Tiny houses are the future for these people.
That why we see the push towards that trend.
Smaller and smaller. Until homes are the size of a box. Maybe even stick the boxes underground.
Carter Martinez
There will always be someone to make sure the truck is still in operating conditions. Imagine the truck breaking down in the middle of the highways and nobody to make a quick fix.
There will be a very bored dude in the cabins of the trucks of the future. But there will still be people.
Brody Russell
Robot communism
Isaac Howard
This is fucking nonsense. How is the truck gonna pull in to get gas or fix a flat tire? Truck jackings will also skyrocket when the crooks see there's no human in the car.
And all this "driverless car" nonsense is bullshit because the second one of these cars has a software glitch and runs over a bunch of kids at a crosswalk they will be banned by the gov't.
Jaxson Parker
maybe for the first few years as the technology is developing, and even then it will probably be just some technician type getting 10$ an hour compared to 40k or more current trucker jobs
Nathan Scott
>What happens when 80% of those currently with a job can no longer be employed?
This collapses the economy.
Blake Russell
This entire thread is full of stupid.
Anytime something is made cheaper it increases usage.
Ok, no truck drivers. Shipping becomes cheaper. More goods are shipped. Trucks wear out more. Have to be serviced more. Need more tires, fuel, unload, load, warehousing, technicians to optimize everything, etc. Roads get more usage, requires more repairs.
Plus, not all trucks will be upgradable. They're value drops. Now humans can drive them without much overhead, decreasing their operating cost. Making them competitive at the same cost to a customer.
Look, if you can't see past one step, you're limited in your mental ability.
Just go be a liberal somewhere else.
Gavin Carter
Major automization would force universal basic income.
You can't cut away millions of jobs and flip workers the bird and not expect some sort of backlash.
Luis Thompson
I can't believe this driverless car meme is still alive.
It's almost retarded how people buy into this shit. It doesn't work on almost every level.
>currently toyota makes cars. said cars are driven by humans. if there's an accident, the human driver is the one sued/responsible and has to deal with the consequences. With a driverless car the human error is removed so if there's an accident guess who will be sued? The manufacturer. Do you think Toyota or Ford want a situation where the method being sued is shifted from the owner of the vehicle to themselves? >driverless cars barely crash! They're going over the same 500 miles of road over and over and over again. Just wait until its out in the wild and accidents start happening. A microsecond delay or a software glitch could be disasterous. People freaked out over the Galaxy Note 7's exploding. How do you think they will react when the driverless cars have the occasional freakout and run over dogs or a kids at a crosswalk?
Evan Ward
>Truck Drivers >Delivery people >Agricultural workers >Warehouse workers None of those cheap unskilled labour jobs are in danger of being replaced by robots. In fact they require a high degree of flexibility. But then again OP probably has no idea about real robots that don't reside in science fiction comic books and what they can really do and what not.
Elijah Gomez
And we'll build and maintain the robots right here in america. Jesus fucking christ I am so sick of you people. In the early 1900s you would've been shilling >omg guise if we don't stop developing these automated carts all the jobs in the horse care industry will be gone and no one will ever be able to work again checkmate capitalists
Fuckin hell you "people" are stupid
Eli Sanchez
same argument as yes there will be some small niches where humans will be necessary, but they will be small and it won't matter if 90% of the trucking industry loses their job it will still be a huge shock
Robert Johnson
I personally hope for Robot Police
Nathaniel Price
just like how the gub'ment banned alcohol when that drunk driver ran down those pedestrians rite :^)
Henry Wood
Just tax robots the market wage to fund basic income.
Aaron Evans
Because capital is free? Capital and labor compete on cost and the economy grows to supply the increased demand caused by higher productivity. Technically, there are many industries currently in existence where full automation could occur, but doesn't because it's simply not economical to do so. Enough of this scaremongering.
Daniel Morris
>this is what neoluddites actually believe
Logan Miller
I'm going with Peter Thiel on this - the automation revolution isn't going to be as extensive as we think. It'll be 5% to 10%.
Thiel has been consistently right. I'm betting on him versus the rest of Silicon Valley, yes.
Dylan Cruz
Capital is free to the globalists. They just print it out of thin air.
Jonathan Bailey
Feels good working in science. Even though my pay is shit, I will probably be one of the last to lose their job to robots.
Cooper Gray
well yah, cars killed horses, horses are now a small niche with a slim fraction of the horse population around now
In your comparison we are not the people, we are the horses
Liam James
>Major automization would force universal basic income. >You can't cut away millions of jobs and flip workers the bird and not expect some sort of backlash. no need for that If you have military drones
Jason Perez
Yeah and human employees get sick. That's when they're not just fucking up or being lazy. Not to mention taking breaks and going home at night.
Samuel Robinson
>yes there will be some small niches where humans will be necessary, but they will be small
How do you figure? How is filling the truck with gas, fixing a flat, or outmaneuvering truck jackers on the road a "small thing" that will be one day replaced? You're living in a fantasy world that will never happen. People freaked out when the Galaxy Note 7s exploded. How do you think they will feel when CNN reports that a driverless truck crashed into a school bus because of a software glitch?
The media LOVES Obamacare but all you heard from them when the website launched was how buggy it was.
Henry Collins
>The Robots are coming They are already here. Nearby where I live, is a cheese factory and a huge warehouse. A forklift/robot is given instructions about which cheese and how much to load in a semi trailer. It does it in minutes in a multi floor building.
Gabriel Price
only a matter of time till software gets written by AI and machine will just be maintained by other machines.
Gavin Clark
Literally nothing will change, not fast enough to notice. 80% of jobs will be replaced with automation? Warehouse workers and automated trucks? Lmao you have to be 18+ to post here wee lad. I can tell you've never worked in a warehouse before or have seen the bill to buy or repair any automated equipment. You can't just buy an automated forklift and say "k now do my job lol" every move that machine makes is pre programmed in. And no, they don't recognize a mistake before hand and take appropriate action, they will literally round a corner too tightly if that's what the program calls for and smash into/through anything in its way to follow what you told it to do. What if it drops something on the floor as it's working? It doesn't pick it up it just keeps on smashing through that program until someone who isn't a robot hits the e-stop. Who's going to insure an unmanned vehicle driving across the country? Someone who will charge 350% more for the risk? You realize that the trucks they show you on tv slaloming through cones or driving on the straight open road aren't going to have the common sense responses that a human would right? It can sense something in its way and stop/slow down, golf clap, but there are trillions of variables that the machine can not and will not foresee or react to. And one of those trucks costs more than your life. Overhauling the trucking company to accommodate driverless trucks would cost millions of dollars per location at a very minimal profit increase that won't be seen for decades especially when you have to have a specialist come in at $40 an hour to do anything even as small as changing oil or replacing a headlight. Don't think for one second it will even be legal to hire joe cockbreath at $10 dollars an hour to do anything but sweep the floor, he won't be allowed to touch that truck without proper certification. Have you ever diagnosed, programmed or maintained a CNC combine?
Dylan Walker
But cars had an overall wide net positive for the common worker/man. All driverless trucks benefits are factory owners.
Luis Reed
So? A train?
Jose Cook
On the contrary AI will be able to react much better in those situations than human drivers.
Angel Hall
When the automation is finished there is no reason to keep proles alive. Elites will go down into a bunker and push the red button.
Brandon Jones
>tfw going into EE and robotics >tfw will make robots that take other people's jobs SOON.
Brody Turner
>just like how the gub'ment banned alcohol when that drunk driver ran down those pedestrians rite :^)
Wow, that's the worst argument ever. Human error comes with the job. That human was punished and most likely taken off the road. What will happen when a driverless Toyota has a major accident where it's at fault. Is Toyota gonna pull EVERY vehicle off the road to fix the glitch? Is the government gonna punish Toyota the same way they punished the drunk truck driver (and probably the trucking company)?
Cameron Diaz
Currency and capital are not the same thing. Currency is a metric unit of value and a temporary medium of exchange. Capital can be currency but is almost entirely other assets(both tangible and intangible).
Hunter Baker
Truck driver here.
When one of those self-driving trucks can make it through Wyoming in the winter without taking a dirt nap or getting blown over and it can back into a busy loading dock in downtown Brooklyn without hitting anything then I'll be worried.
We're not going anywhere just like pilots have stayed in commercial airliners long after the advent of Autopilot.
The robots are coming for low-paying unskilled menial repetitive Chinese factory labor and other McJobs. They aren't coming for skilled labor.
Julian Mitchell
Part 2 I'm assuming not, because if you had you would see that it still takes a human operator present for insurance and safety regulations. What happens if somebody's kid goes wandering in front of it? It keeps going G01 X 375 Y 480 or whatever the coordinates may be. It doesn't care about the 5 foot deep puddles in front of it that it's about to drown itself in.this thread proves you have no idea what you're talking about. You're the lowest most embarrassing form of ignorant there is. You don't know what you're talking about but you insist on preaching your lack of knowledge on other people. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Brody Adams
Prove me wrong. It all sounds cool in theory, but it doesn't add up?
Will insurance companies insure driverless cars? If so, why? In 99.9999% of all accidents, humans are at fault. So the insurance company either collects money from the driver, or from the other drivers insurance company. But with 2 driverless cars in an accident, who is at fault? How will insurance company A prove to insurance company B that their car was responsible?
Austin Johnson
You are witnessing the eventual end of humanity. We will be surpassed by our creations.
Not such a bad fate, really.
James Butler
nigger faggot
Dylan Howard
>people honestly believe a robot has to be PERFECT to replace a human being
kek
They just have to be better and in 99% of cases they are. Robots can work around the clock 365 days a year with nothing the average human worker needs. All a robot needs is a plug, and the occasional routine maintenance.
Hunter Peterson
>implying ai will learn to science less efficiently, rapidly, or robustly
kys
Connor Kelly
Either this or we will have so many implants inside us and so little freedom that we may as well be robots too.
Julian Price
But who's to say how advanced all that shit will be in, say, 20 years? AI is making huge leaps. It doesn't matter if it's going to affect our generation, but it sure as fuck will happen this century. I hope I will be able to watch the unemployed masses stab each other for a dry piece of bread from the window of my comfy home.
Tyler Brown
But can it defend itself against refugees?
Anthony Ward
>They just have to be better and in 99% of cases they are.
You overestimate the media and people in general. A few Galaxy Notes explode and the media and people freak out. The Obamacare website crashes and the media and people freak out.
Can you imagine the CNN headline "Driverless car slams into schoolbus of inner city kids". The outrage would be insane. With a regular the car the driver would be taken off the road, but with driverless cars they're all still out there. Combine social media shit with this (herr derr Drake just said his driverless car almost hit a cat!) and it will be fucking mayhem.
Adrian Green
Your ignorance is astounding. You don't know what will happen in 20 years, which I assume is longer than you've been alive. You don't even know if you'll still be alive. Don't bring "b-buh IF IF IF IF" into this unless you want to get booted out without your coat.
Sebastian Morris
>They just have to be better and in 99% of cases they are
examples? be sure to show the ones working in a changing and non-standardized environment.
Kayden Harris
I'm 25 and your post had literally zero information value. And unless you're a mod you can't boot me out with your tough talk, leafshit.
Cameron Sanchez
>But who's to say how advanced all that shit will be in, say, 20 years?
It's the "it sucks now but it will be better in X number of decades meme"
My father told me that in the 70's some of his friends were freaking out because they thought automation would replace their jobs because "in 15 years technology will be better and replace us". Meanwhile the location and it worker force has only slightly changed as of today.
Carter Murphy
It wouldn't make the CNN headline or any headline. Causing a panic about this would go against the narrative. They can't afford to create any roadblocks on the path to automation there's too much $ at stake. Media will be "asked" to suppress it
Liam Allen
>taking the "20" years so seriously even though I did what I could to make it clear that I don't really think it's likely, but that it will happen this century You guys are fucking autistic.
Jayden Parker
what's stopping an overworked human from driving to a bus full of kids? wait, how about we make it more sensational and appeal even harder to emotions by having that car slam into a bus filled with kids with cancer
Andrew Butler
You can do everything with free money. Don't let words confuse you from the truth.
Daniel Lopez
they will probably only use driverless cars on certain routes and only after a thousand test runs. also since there will be some increase in profits they will just pay off the occasional accident victim.
Jaxson Bennett
Yes but will the robots put spit and semen into your food and McDonald's?
John Brooks
No I can wait for this thread to 404 and watch you continue to run your mouth about things you're completely clueless about though. You think my post had no information yet you were talking about things that might maybe happen in 20 years despite multiple people who obviously know more about this topic telling you why you're wrong. Pretty fucking stupid for 25 years old lol.
Jaxson Cruz
When the robots become sentient and start asking for vacation time we need to be the nuSJWs that liberate them
Ethan Allen
I am in software already! Guna get rich! When robot does sex better than women society will have problems.
Anthony Butler
Stolen* money. Printing more currency in proportion to economic growth will simply cause devaluation.
Austin Powell
plumbers and other contractors are extremely expensive. these truck drivers need to learn a trade.
Kevin Carter
btw i'm still waiting
Jason Clark
>No I can wait for this thread to 404 and watch you continue to run your mouth about things you're completely clueless about though. Dumb shit, no value >You think my post had no information yet you were talking about things that might maybe happen in 20 years despite multiple people who obviously know more about this topic telling you why you're wrong. Dumb shit, no value >Pretty fucking stupid for 25 years old lol. Again, dumb shit
Jaxson Collins
Honestly, I don't even think it could handle 50% of the environments that truckers deal with. Sure its neat seeing a self driving car drive itself onto an onramp of a highway but I have 0 confidence in seeing one these navigate a loading dock without taking forever.
The videos I've seen from these self driving cars make it seem like they're almost too cautious. If a car swerves into its lane, it panics and freezes up for a good 15-20 seconds. Now imagine that when there's a shitload of forklifts buzzing around its vicinity. It might completely lock the AI up.
Kevin Cooper
No hes right robots need to be practically perfect. Better than an average human is not good enough, it needs to be better than the best human
Lucas Lewis
>It wouldn't make the CNN headline or any headline.
WHAT? So an exploding phone that's currently in it's 7th version makes worldwide headlines, but these new DRIVERLESS cars that some people are already suspicious of crashes and it won't get ANY headlines? Are you fucking kidding me? The media will have a field day every time one of these things fucks up.
> Causing a panic about this would go against the narrative. Are you a fucking retard? The media makes money off of panic. Every snowstorm is "the storm of the century! keep watching channel 8 for more blizzard coverage!"
>They can't afford to create any roadblocks on the path to automation there's too much $ at stake. Media will be "asked" to suppress it You're living in an insane fantasy bubble. I'm sure the media was "asked" to supress stories about GE's faulty nuclear reactors. Oh wait, they reported on that. I'm sure the media was "asked" to supress coverage on the faulty Obamacare exchange website, but they reported heavily on that.
Jonathan Lopez
Living W A G E
Jackson Scott
>If tractors get invented there will be no jobs and people will all starve
90% of people used to be farmers, now they all have desk jobs. Human needs evolve tard
Andrew Davis
>coming
They are already here nigga.
Angel Cook
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>But who's to say how advanced all that shit will be in, say, 20 years? AI is making huge leaps. It doesn't matter if it's going to affect our generation, but it sure as fuck will happen this century. I hope I will be able to watch the unemployed masses stab each other for a dry piece of bread from the window of my comfy home
Is that considered an informative statement in your "country"?