Is it possible to be a civic fascist? This isn't an outright defense of (((civic))) nationalism or plebbit neutered nationalism but a thread of curiosity.
What would civic fascism be when compared to the alt-right ideals of civic nationalism, and how would civic fascism work in the USA?
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Fascism implies people working together for the greater good of the nation. It's an extreme form of nationalism.
Civic fascism can't work for the same reason civic nationalism doesn't work: people are inherently tribal and will always work to maximize the circumstances of their own in-group over others.
However, a multiethnic society can indeed work as long as there's no illusions of egalitarianism. A multi-caste society or an imperial situation where one group rules over subject groups, as examples. The only way for multiethnic society to work is through some sort of authoritarianism to keep everything in line, but that is NOT the same as fascism.
A side question: how to implement fascism in already multicultural hellholes like brazil without recurring to race extermination?
How do you think it would work, OP?
Wouldn't work. You'd be better off going with a caste system. Which AFAIK is already what you guys have de facto, because only the whites are intelligent enough to actually do anything of value, and there is a massive underclass of shitskins.
Detroit/Baltimore/St. Louis are the end game of civic nationalism. Tribal bonds are stronger than ideology or passports/government papers and I prefer living with the whiter tribes.
If people were forced into a de-facto fascist-military constant then wouldn't the rank reflect a caste?
>America
>Now fascist
>Everyone military
>Military tests (no affirmative action)
>Rank = caste
>functional?
I think the militaristic underpinning of fascism could actually organize a post-civic nationalist state.
Arguably, the Roman Republic/Empire was the original Fascist state. In theory, every citizen was expected to uphold civic virtues and put the welfare of the state before his own.
It became multi-ethnic as it expanded and absorbed different tribe but it wasn't multi-cultural.
They even had a protocol to integrate barbarian tribes, breaking it down and dispersing it all across the empire to make sure it would assimilate in the Roman culture.
Not everyone was a Roman Citizen, though. It took a lot of commitment to become one. Roman society was effectively a caste system with slaves at the bottom and proper roman nobility at the top.
>How do you think it would work, OP?
No idea, its why I am asking as the distinction of a fascist state is already sort of abstract.
I think its possible to impose a caste system if a military vector is added and military rank can affect civilian rank. If we abandon any form of affirmative action in the military then this would have the exact same effect of an IQ test for social power, it would also literally whip niggers into shape during their mandatory conscription years.
Rome was a multiethnic empire, but it was not fascist. The vast majority of the ruling caste were ethnic romans. Hell, they didn't even like the other people living in italy.
What the fuck is that gif he's doodling?
Dont you get it? There is no compromise possible on this, no matter how much you think you can barter with us, we havent accepted civic nationalism, and we wont accept this either. Blood is the only thing that matters.
Ideology is meek, ideology arises from blood, which is its strength. A strong state will always be based on blood, a majority of blood as it is now in the US, but if that majority of blood does not bully and degrade the minorities and forces them to become less, it will still fail in the longer term as you have now.
There is not a single good reason to include other races in an ethnostate. The only lesser evil that works is to include other whites, like germans, Norwegians, dutch even...the genetic distance between these races is not far enough to create huge unrest in the long term, still some unrest, but not much compared to negro, mudslime and jew.
Still, no reason to even allow for that. The best, and the most stable society will always have one blood type, one race.
Ignore the retards.
You just need a strong, conservative National Government. And a Great Other to rally the people against. Germany had Jews, but no reason Brazils can't be something else like China or America or Argentina.
also sage, and this pastebin.
sincerely also go fuck yourself and I hope someone outright kills you op.
Hell, they didn't even like people living outside rome.
ubboaded and thanks for the pastebin
Nice edge.
I am not defending civic anything, however, short of genocide or balkanizing there is a major problem for transforming society.
We could go ancap no entitlements style.
We could go genocide and hope outside forces don't use it as an opening to take land.
We could balkanize and literally forfeit territory.
We could force segregate and run into private land ownership nightmares.
There are serious problems and there needs to be a vehicle to restructure society. Pretending the 4th Reich will arise from a minority of the population is literally child-minded fantasy. If you happen to be in a country with a very high majority then good for you, this question isn't for you.
Fascism is civic in it's natural state. Race is not biological; read Evola.
If Fascism were implemented in the USA it would be built around the identity of the American, with no regards to biology.
Edge? What, how about you shut your goddamn stupid fuckface up and fuck off to whatever shithole you came from. Nobody gives a fuck about you compromising fagets. Blood is the only thing that matters and we dont need people like you to come to a solution. As a matter of fact, I think we should rather just kill people like you.
>I am not defending civic anything,
then why post in such a shill thread without sage. Seriously, its day of the rope for people like you.
We all know what kind of egalitarians you are and we have already build a think tanks around your people, we dont need you, kindly please just die. We will figure something out that works without your help.
>Race is not biological; read Evola.
In Evola's time, we didn't know jack shit about genetics and the heritability of intelligence and behavior. It was okay to think that man was a tabula rasa, but since that time, this notion has been thoroughly refuted.
It may be the actual hope of the US.
A lot of spergs want Stormfront land, but I cannot fathom how that could happen without the Chinks and Russians using it as an in to "intervene".
It seems that there are very limited options. The one absolute is that we need to can HUD, Wic, and welfare. But the shitskins with a high enough IQ to still cause damage will still have citizenship.
Citizenship itself needs to become harder to attain, and a 2-class military culture could do that. It gives the "muh feels" and "suupprt our troops" sentiments actual weight and basically shames those who perform poorly. If we can keep affirmative action out of the mix then the caste will form nicely and the tribunal punishment systems will keep the dysgenic castes tame as their populations reduce from market pressures.
Fascism seems to be underrated.
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Ethnic nationalism can occur without killing/deporting all the nonwhites. What you described could easy take place in an ethnic nationalist state.
Hell, America was white nationalist for centuries, especially in the south, even though in some states black slaves outnumbered whites. We could just go to an apartheid model and incentivize whites to have children while pulling gibsmedat money to minorities to stop subsidizing their K-selected breeding patterns.
The heredity and genetic revolution happened in the 20's and 30's. Most of Evola's greater works were published post war, he would have refuted his previous views if they were wrong.
Fascism is greatly misunderstood in the modern day and people are realizing that.
>Not everyone was a Roman Citizen, though. It took a lot of commitment to become one.
What is the Constitutio Antoniniana?
>doesnt even know about regression to the mean, alongside the racial mixing scientific lore
>still doesnt come from a neutral standpoint and just simply doesnt ask "why do we need them"
>instead comes from an unreasonable "we must have them" standpoint, as the egalitarianism is the reason for this positivity
>which is also a disease of the brain.
sage, and I am out of this thread, you are retarded. I would have you banned if we had better mods here. Fuck off and kill yourself faget.
I consider myself a civic facscist. I realize that getting the blacks out of here would be unrealistic. I think we're better off trying to make America colorblind and working together to promote that American Citizens are superior to other citizens. Of course there's gonna be those super racist nigs who want "muh reparations," but with the right media, that shit is gonna get of real fast.
>Take place in an ethnic nationalist state
Yes but HOW do we get THERE. See the issue?
Cutting welfare isn't easy unless you outright kill the Democrats and liberals who vote for it at the state level.
Cutting it off at the federal level would make huge progress toward a natural ethnic state, revoking the 1965 immigration act is also super useful. Could implementing militarism help serve as a guard against a occurrence later?
>Gibs revoked
>Tyrone and Jose population decreasing
>Charismatic leader finds gibs loophole for votes
>cutoff by military requirement to receive state aid
I can't shake the idea that military is our ace in the hole against the shitskin cause its as sage to the negroes as a job application.
>civic facscist
I would advise against using the word civic.
Fascism already has that property unless further defined. My early problem with fascism was that every time I've heard it described it seemed to require a fiat currency and crony capitalism. The militaristic element is basically an Alex Jones filter against the negro advancement.
>The toothpaste walked away crying
Bye bye.
>how?
incremental suppression
formation of a pro-white deep state
Does the term "Civic" not make it more appealing?