What would be the sociopolitical implications of real super heroes?
And I don't mean the "real life super hero" people who patrol the streets in costumes and do fuck all to stop things like pizzagate, but a legitimate Batman/Daredevil/Ironman/Punisher type vigilante? Somebody capable of fighting powerful groups.
And, for a follow up, what would be the sociopolitical implications of there being well known individuals with super powers?
Not a discussion on comics, but rather what the political implications of such individuals would be in our modern world. Both within your own nation, and internationally.
Mcinnes would be able to produce sonic waves through his ass to stop the bad guys
Robert Ross
who is this semen demon?
James Murphy
It would create a genetic arms race as soon as a nation starts genetically engineering more super heroes.
Brayden Jones
basically they would be hunted by the government or criminal groups to be recruited or killed. the lone superhero thing was a silly ideal that doesn't work in practice.
Brandon Russell
never seen his ass before, he looks like he took a good amount of dickings or at the least has assplay on the regular
Meanwhile, in the UK... (sort of RLSH, but actually competent)
Christian Clark
Superman vs. Batman touched on that a bit. A couple talking points, and there's always going to be a 50/50 divide on them.
1. Should these people with abilities be allowed to use them outside the confines of the law? Half say that they have a moral obligation to do so. The argument there is "A man is freezing, and you have an extra blanket. You are socially obligated to give that man the extra blanket, since you dont really need it". The other half of the argument is that people who cannot be constrained by the law should have no place circumventing it, since they have not been appointed to that role by society. "Who are you to decide a criminal's fate? Who are you to do things that we have not asked you for? You are an odd cog in the machine of society and that is unacceptable."
2. Whether or not these people should be held accountable for collateral damage. Again, 50/50. One side would say that in the heat of the moment, when you really have milliseconds to make life or death decisions, you need leniency for your mistakes. The other side would say that if you take it upon yourself to -do- for society, you should also take it upon yourself to be responsible for it. You cannot exercise your power willy nilly and not pay the price for mistakes others would have to.
There are more sides to these coins, and more coins, but I cant quite think of them right now. Broke my leg, perkiset is making me happy. But all in all it would be similar to gun rights in america. Half say yes, half say no.
Dominic Scott
but do you think it would become a large enough issue to have an effect on voting and political parties?
Bentley Murphy
You mean if the sentient nuke decided to support a candidate? Yes, huge ramifactions. So much so I would imagine it would be illegal to do so.
Liam Gray
Maybe if the political parties took stances on the aforementioned points, or if happened.
Dominic Russell
Not a powered individual endorsing a candidate, no.
But candidates taking stances on powered individual's rights.
And for that matter which party in America would take which side?
Would it be the left who supports Powered People's Rights, as a branch of identity politics, or would it be the right who supports Powered People's Rights similar to how they support Gun Rights?
Tyler Nelson
you get real vigilantes in shithole countries where the police can't function, but they're rarely solo acts, usually just lynch mobs or gangs to counter other criminal organizations, and since they're usually just frustrated impoverished people they often get the wrong targets
a solo vigilante who wants to go about beating up or killing bad guys would just get shot dead after a few missions since real life doesn't have plot armor
most realistic vigilante in recent media would probably be Mr. Robot since he doesn't physically fight anyone, he finds and attacks their secrets digitally, which I guess is fucking Sup Forums in real life
if anyone actually had a supernatural power their government would kill them immediately, look how absolutely anal annihilated governments of the world get at the prospect of their citizens owning firearms, if someone could fly and shoot lasers out of their eyes they would be dead and on an autopsy table within a day
Sebastian Hill
also how would you prevent a sentient nuke from endorsing a candidate if they so desired? Wouldn't this violate their 1st Amendment Rights?
I'd understand if it was a controversial as the KKK endorsement, but it'd be hard to prevent it.
Lucas Long
propose they were able to keep their powers a secret, i.e. Superman until he was an adult.
And then propose the Government not readily understanding who or what they're dealing with and being incapable of containing the Powered Person prior to their 'public coming out' where they become a controversial individual even if doing good.
Mr Robot is an incredibly realistic vigilante, but depending on targets, the locations, and the security/police situation a masked crime fighter could potentially operate well, provided they are competent and highly trained.
Obviously, the "I refuse to kill" philosophy could not apply, so the controversy meter increases.
If they keep their identity secret and operate properly, they could potentially shut down medium sized organized crime syndicates.
Sebastian Johnson
Something like this.
Bentley Evans
Or this
Lucas Clark
It would destabilize the State, since successful vigilantes that could rival entire organizations and evaded capture would become the de facto rule of law. They'd be coming by to collect taxes in no time.
Ayden Edwards
Maybe this?
Justin Rogers
Or this?
Brody Watson
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Michael Stewart
Nah. This.
Caleb Harris
this is a bit of an apples-to-oranges comparison.
I'm not talking about vigilantes that have existed in our real world, but rather vigilantes that have existed in works of fiction. Individuals who's morals held and only ever worked to tackle the criminals and threats larger than law enforcement could handle.
Suppose there's a terrorist attack in New York tomorrow, and a powered individual shows themselves in defense of the general public against a terrorist organization. This person exposes themselves on live national television with billions watching worldwide.
What the fuck would happen? How much would our world change in an instant?
I feel like this wouldn't just shit the political atmosphere, but would shatter it taking us to a new level altogether.
Who cares about BLM when we're dealing with somebody who can punch a car through four other cars?
Jaxson Carter
It would suck even more to be a normalfag with no special powers. And you know all the women will be lining up to fuck them, too. Bad enough competing with all the Chads of this world, I would probably kill myself.
Brody Thomas
you'd have to be Dr. Manhattan level omnipotent and omnipowerful to not get assassinated as a superhero, you'd have to be THE ruling power on earth, or the other ruling powers on earth would drop everything to find out who you are and how to kill you
probably the most effective non-powered vigilantes would be like the The Punisher/Micro duo, a hacker finds the guilty people and a sniper takes them out without ever directly engaging, kind of like the DC snipers but for evil cunts, they'd probably only be good for a few missions since again the state would get rustled and dedicate a lot of resources to tracking them down
Brayden Howard
but if you've exposed yourself to the public it becomes a much trickier situation beyond "drone them".
If this powered individual has large scale public support, assassinating them would be off the table.
David Garcia
>keep your power secret >run for public office >take over the Establishment >become God-Emperor and usher in a new age
Alexander Sanders
i.e. "The Assange Doctrine" definition: When an individual or organization is a thorn in the side of the government, but not a direct threat to national security, has immense public support, killing them becomes a mistake.
This could be overcome, however, by sending agents in as criminals to challenge a crime fighter, or by creating a monster in a laboratory that could defeat the 'hero'.