Liberalism is the best system

liberalism is the only political system that can prevent tyranny

>prove me wrong
protip: you can't

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Say that when you let women and shitskins vote in more shitskins, while you get ourbred by third world shitskins, and become a third world authoritarian sharia controlled country that stones people to death.

>pinochet
>farage
>nazis

Yeah, liberals are all about individual rights. The concern with liberal leaders isn't that things will devolve into tyranny, but that the country will go to shit for other reasons.

Maybe I want a tyranny. Faggot.

Here we are with CTR shills still fucking around.

i agree and disagree. every system is perfect depending on times. There will be times where you need to be left or right. The balance is perfect in peaceful times.

Also, Farage is economically centre-right, and socially traditional.

Stop believing in the black and white version of Left vs Right

>obama
>not far left

off yourself

It would be fine if regressivism wasn't recently relabeled liberalism.

Agreed, which is why 99% of politicians including what you consider to be "center" are far too left wing.

>farage
>Nazi
Lad..
>Nazis
>far-right
Srsly lad..

tbf i don't think it's CTR, post election liberals everywhere have been bitching and crying about Sup Forums so they're trying to """educate""" us

sounds like liberalism
totally LOL

in other words, we have to put up with moderate authoritarian idiots because otherwise, extremist authoritarian idiots will take over
fuckin a

Somebody really needs a history lesson.

Also Pinochet was pretty much a militant liberal, so are Hillary and Obama but they're just killing tons of people overseas.

Obama is nigger-Lenin, though.

Obama isn't a fucking liberal though. He cites Reagan as his prime influence politically.

He's a center-right moderate oreo. Tough on drug use, deported more illegals than Bush did,expanded US military presence(most retards on Sup Forums don't realize Ukraine was the US baiting Russia into shitting the bed so hard Europe stopped buying oil from them.) and authorized more assassinations than any other president in history.

There's a fucking difference between 'liberal' and 'globalist'

Nigel iz nazi? Whats wrong with you?

ctr shills my ass, there are just people who don't think some Pinochet-type fantasy is a worthwhile future to pursue. if you believe in some fascist crap, then logically argue for it, don't try to pretend like anyone who agrees with you is a Sup Forums veteran and anyone who doesn't is an outsider, that's weak

Then maybe you're no different than a Muslims and should move back to Europe if you want to to be a European extremist.

The way I see it, liberalism, nor traditionalism, actually does anything. It's the singular leader. Who ever actually runs the show decides how well the country will do. Decisions come down to the person who ultimately makes them, bureaucracy only plants doubts in their minds.

Need a person who is as critical of himself as he holds power to shape his area of control. Very simple to say, almost impossible to actually achieve.

he's maybe a little to the left
i don't mean to say Farage is a nazi, like i don't mean to say Corbyn is a commie
the left tends toward communism and the right toward nazism; both toward violence and tyranny

The opposite can be true, both "moderate" liberals and conservatives voted for the patriot act and Iraq war for example while social democrats and libertarians tended to both oppose it.

>liberalism
>good

>tyranny
>bad

>Obama
>not left

>lib dems
>not left

Unironically an hero.

he was a right-wing extremist and believed in the subjugation of the individual to the state and the market
not a liberal

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they're literally called the liberal democrats

i'm a centrist liberal

>calling based nigel a nazi

nazism is left wing you fuckhead. anarchy is right wing.

see

If we call ISIS the peace and flower state it doesn't mean that's correct. They're not liberal or democratic.

Centrism is pretty much being a progressist and globalist scum

>obama
>centrist
Nice meme

anarchism is extreme left-wing and is no better than communism

Fuck off with the extreme-centrist bullshit.
the world needs change.

they, in general, support personal freedom

>lib dems
>supporting freedom

>any lefties
>supporting freedom

m8
stop

>love me a bit of tyranny lads, really shakes up the status quo

they're centrists you idiot

Yeah, Liberalism is. Guess what? Todays "liberals" are illiberal. How? Anti-free speech. Anti-self defense. Anti-civics. Pro-class system. Pro-state control of finances. Pro-state corporatism. Pro-excessive litigation. The list goes on. The left is for strong unilateral government with limited involvement from ordinary citizens. I.e. you are in favor of Conservatism in the traditional sense. I.e. you are in favor of techno-fuedalism. I.e. you are in favor of tyranny.

Best system was in America after the revolution. A federal govt to protect the individual. But the states could decide how they were run. That includes to whom voting rights are given. Then if some state gets destroyed by leftists it's not the end of the world because productive people can just leave it. So you have some competition between states inherent in the system.

you rephrased my point, what are you trying to prove? on Sup Forums of all places.

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anarchism is extreme right wing. the absence of government is literally what right and left is based on, that is the literal metric that decides what is left and what is right.

pinochet did nothing wrong

>Farage
>Natsoc
I like him but he's definitely not a natsoc not even close and kys yourself centrist retard

Protip = Invalid argument.

Obam fiscally is more right wing than Bush. He is a neolib not a socialist.

But Nazism was meant to be a balance between liberalism and communism

proudhon was literally on the left wing
the right wing were conservatives (i.e. monarchists)

Pinochet is bad because?

idiot
nice to see some shitposting

>liberalism at the centre
>liberals allow unlimited migration
>migrants jump off the seesaw, steal the fulcrum and burn the fucking board
naw, fuck that mate

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It was. Fascism was created in response to communism and liberalism, and was meant to take key ideas from both.

I'm not using the french model and no one has for the past 50 years.

>Farage
>Nazi
Remaincuck detected1

>Obama and Cleggy

I came here to tell you to go fuck yourself hard with sandpaper but realised it would be better to tell you that your left/right paradigm is redundant. Social Nationalism is the only way forward.

>should move back to Europe
>your own country
>acting like he's not born here as well

fucking southern incest is showing again

shut the fuck up
you're literally american
fuck off and shoot up a macdonalds or something you unlovable colonial fucktard

ITS NOT CTR YOU STUPID NEWFAG
Classic jidf.
lurk moar

Fucking this desu. Spirit of '76 senpai.

We still use the term neoliberal today to describe capitalists. Also Australias conservative party is called the Liberals. Also no left wing party in the US exists. The Dems are capitalists with a base of non-white nationalists who hate whites.

WHAT KIND OF FUCKED UP SCALE IS THAT, OP?

BOTH THE LEFT AND RIGHT ARE STATIST SCUM.

shut the fuck up
you're literally using an outdated political model from 200 years ago
fuck off and go suck a """refugee""" off or something you backwards nonimportant moron.

if Farage is a Nazi then what is Hitler? Super mega ultra turbo Jew remover 9001? Hyper-right measuring in at five and a half gigahitlers??

What the fuck is the left going to call a Nazi if they actually encounter one? If fucking Farage is considered a Nazi in their heads. It truly boggles my mind.

go fuck rothbard and his child sex slaves then you stupid fucking american

Liberal literally stands for liberating the market. It was never meant for social/identity politics.

see or

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderation
This is all

I'm referring to the french model of right and left based off the wings of the national assembly in france and the connotations that have become associate with it.

it means literally nothing, it measures nothing, it is worthless, there is literally no reason to use it.

the meaning of left and right varies from country to country you fucking retards and you both forget about the authoritarian to liberal scale

Liberalism is tyranny. Can't say x, for threat of being expelled from school or fired from your job. Can't do x, because it's insensitive to group x. Can't own x, because the govt can't trust you with it. Can't prefer x, because it excludes x. etc etc etc fuck the liberals and fuck the left

ANOTHER FUCKING AMERICAN
I HOPE YOU DROWN ON A FUCKING EXTRA LARGE MILKSHAKE OR SOMETHING GOD

that is the exact scale I'm referring to. left is authoritarian, meaning the extreme is leninist communism, socialism, and fascism, right is liberalism, meaning the extreme is anarchism

Still bitter about that war are we? I bet you're real butthurt our soccer team is better than yours now

Except that's not true. The term originally came in from liberalization of restrictions of the third estate - non-aristocrats who tied human freedoms to economic ones.

As industrialization grew, however, human and economic liberalization often conflicted. Liberals favored the human one, while libertarians the economic one.

what about the anarchists that hung out and largely agrred with marx

>equating shit symbols and "ISM's" from pre-internet times to times such as today with a type-1 civilization internet.

how old were you when you realized the folks in the middle depiction are actually the embodiment of both sides of the symbols of the sea-saw Sup Forums?

The policies of the Nazis -


- Increased government control in everyday life.
- For gun control.
- For abortion.
- Privatization of state industries

They were left-wing.

Fuck off CTR.

So fucking leaning right is considered National socialism while leaning left is considered Communism in your book?

What kind of a fucking black-and-white world do you live in? A political spectrum isn't like a fucking mathematical equasion where you have an absolute truth, it's god damn fluid and it's incredibly hard to exactly pinpoint someone's policies on the left-right spectrum. Many right-wing politicians have some left-wing views (like supporting a free market while also supporting subsidies for the impoverished) and left-wing politicans can have right-wing views like cutting unemployment benefits in favour of encouraging people to find work.

>those guys
>centrists
m9
You're embarrassing yourself.

left/right isn't just economic; it's cultural

Dont worry faggot, we will. Haa

>Nigel is Pinochet

Literally what

entirely depended on how the communism is enforced. If I remember correct it's entirely voluntary past marx's state capitalism stage so it would be right wing as nothing is enforced.

which is why I specified leninist communism is extreme left wing. as there are many brands of there are many brands of communism.

This, centrists are scum and will always lead to liberalism

>liberalism
I understand that's what it's supposed to be called, but "liberal" is a trigger word on Sup Forums. Just call it centrism.

pinochet was a piece of shit, but putting that worthless britbong next to him is a major insult to him

whoops, mean as there are many brands of libertarianism and whatnot, there are many brands of communism*

>Liberal
Obama is pro-tyranny.

An agenda of negative liberty is the only protection against tyranny. Positive liberty is the gateway to tyranny.

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It's 2016, not wanting to spread your asshole for brown people means you are literally a nazi.

All about individual rights, with none of the individual responsibility.

Perfect recipe for a shitblizzard, Randingo.

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not an argument