But really though, what's wrong with civic nationalism?

But really though, what's wrong with civic nationalism?

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A diminishing white population

Nothing. Its the way forward for America. Euros need ethno nationalism tho

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This. Weither not its been good or not for america is up for debate but we lost our ethic population of anglos real quick. With the germans and the irish coming in. Then the spics. Until LBJ blacks were doing great and were on the road to success in America like with every other minority group.

France was always owned by the French likewise with England and Germany etc etc. A specific people has been tied with the culture and history of that nation. While a Mexican may lose their Mexican identity to gain and embress a American one, they cant do that so easily in Europe is another thing.

Or maybe am biased because am of Cuban descent.

you are unequivocally wrong

>pic related

It's retarded and none of you know it's purpuse.

Civic nationalism was created as a way to keep the UK united and it failed. And those where similar ethnic groups.

What do you think will happen with niggers and spic?

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Ethnic nationalism is superior in every way. There's no reason to accept low intelligence groups with high rates of crime and diseases.

It eventually leads to low trust societies and provides longstanding ethnic and class divisions that leftists tend to capitalize on.

There should ofc be a cap on immigrants coming and which ones we let in. Some minorities have a disposition to lefties and commies so they are not going to be ok with big government. Likewise the native population should have the most people. but civic nationalism doest mean you want more immigration, its sort of we have niggers and spics lets work together and shit.

What is this supposed to prove? We know all this shit already. Close borders, attract minorities here into the Right party, provide real wages for everybody, problem solved You're not going to deport citizens.

So Asians are better than whites? WHITEY BTFO

People said the same thing about hippies in the 60s. In case you didnt notice all those same boomers voted trump. It's in history, as the youth ages they vote more conservative. I am right, you are wrong.

South Africa tried it

>some minorities have a disposition to lefties and commies so they are not going to be ok with big government.

Key word = some. The majority still tend to vote leftist even though they come from shit countries with too much government, that's just statistics.

Minorities are statistically less likely to vote to the right so immigration focused on white countries are going to be the most beneficial.

>You're not going to deport citizens.

Who said I was? Just have a bare minimum of immigration from 3rd wold countries and focus on european immigrant, and the problem will take care of its self.

>if only millenials voted
Kek. No.

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And guess what?

Minorities are not hippies

non-whites overwhelmingly vote for more government.

Then we don't disagree on anything then? Why is this even an argument?

No shit dumbfuck. Look at your post again.

I guess because civic nationalism would lead indirectly to ethnic nationalism in the states.

Because even though if we were to limit immigration on ideology, whites tend to have the preferred limited government ideology.

How is that bad exactly?

Because isolating yourself from the rest of the world will leave you behind and ultimately damage your economy

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>pic related

Blacks have been voting dem for generations cunt, and they have not grew more conservative.

Like I said the white hippies of the 60s are not the same as minorities. The minority vote in this country has remained stagnant, despite them aging.

That's why I hate multiculturalism. It runs in the opposite direction of assimilation and the "melting pot" theory. Cubans come and add to our culture, but at the same time they must assimilate. Multiculturalism lets Cubans and other immigrants have their own enclaves where they never assimilate and don't contribute to the greater American culture.

>civic nationalism

Sounds like our already present patriotism and not nationalism.

What's with this gay term

Fuck off Nazi.

I'm still ethno-nationalist, but I consider black people to be American (the black people that consider themselves American and don't act like degenerate bix nood niggers) since they have been here so long. I don't really care too much about muh 100% white ethno state, I just want 1965 demographics again. If I had that, I'd be pretty content. Euros need ethno-nationalism though because their countries have been historically pure white. Basically I believe that any population that has lived in the country since its founding has a right to stay if they want to. I'd be happy if based blacks guys like Ben Carson and Sheriff Clark stayed while the anti-American BLM groids went back to Africa.

Suddenly we have a bunch of threads about civic nationalism all at once, I wonder (((who))) could be behind these posts.

depends on your political views. If you are anywhere on the right of the political compass, then it would be advantageous to have a majority white country because they tend to vote to the right.

it leads to mental slavery, which leads to fighting against the very people who are trying to free you from your enemy, on behalf of your enemy who you think is your friend.

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This.

I believe in ethno-nationalism, but I love people like ben carson and Sheriff Clark, if the entire black community was like them, then I would approve of civic nationalism more. But statistically speaking they are a minority of the black community and the rest tend to vote for more and more government

Civic nationalism only works if everybody shares the same core culture and values.

Ethnic nationalism works better because you have shared blood.

civic nationalism = glorious empire
ethnic nationalism = do-nothing snow niggers

Red guards can't be part of empire

How many destroyed cities will it take before you realize the black population is pure poison? How many Detroits, Lansings, Milwaukees,East St. Louises, Oaklands, Baltimores, Memphises, South Chicagos, the list goes on and on.
How much cultural poison from rap to disco to the ebonic slang lowering our IQs, the worship of negroes who merely throw balls and run.

Wake the fuck up white man.

Civic nationalism needs more than just common citizenship to work. English should be made the official language, no exceptions. None of this "para espanol oprima dos" nonsense when I call my bank. A common religion: Christianity in general, allowing many denominations. Also, stop taking race into account for the Census, if we are one united nation, race doesn't matter.

Explain Black Wall Street then? A prosperous black neighborhood burned down by angry whites.

doesnt fit his narrative his "logical hatred" will make up some stupid fucking excuse.

black people have literally been always treated like shit

from the beginning to the policies of today

hurr durr wake up white man

Civic Nationalism is better than globalism, but it's not nearly as effective as ethnic nationalism. It ignores key differences between people that ethnic nationalism recognizes. Globalism and civic nationalism is a forced meme. Ethnic nationalism comes naturally to everyone alive.

Niggers can't be civic

not having friends of different races


you guys are literally losers who cant fucking socialize
im a fucking neet
and live in backwoods florida, and all of us could fucking crush any fucking number of you

its about community, its about understanding, its about wanting a future with the people youve met and grown to care about

something that sounds like NONE OF YOU HAVE

Given the current demographics, ethnic nationalism would get you pic related.

>numerous cities versus a dozen businesses and one bank burned as retaliation

Its nothing, literally another WE WUZ WALL STREET N SHIEET

Upmp

Why would I want to be friends with and be in a community of people who are nothing like me? I prefer to be with my own kind. Those who like to mix are the minority. Most who are mixing and mingling wouldn't do it except they don't have a choice. Reminder that pic related is how racial integration was accomplished in the USA.

Could be. I think semi-peaceful balkanization is more likely.

Civic nationalism with genetic engineering to create a class of elite übermen that are are superior to plebshits.
Give me even one good reason why this isn't the best option.

Niggers and spics make us weaker, not stronger

Nothing; American ethnic nationalists are retarded cowards.

I just made a black wall street post yesterday. Search the archives. It was a "hands up, don't shoot" dindu nuffin bullshit. Niggers started to chimp out and whitey squashed it.

Not communist enough

Could that not be because of the attitudes of racial nationalism?

Just seems like shitty logic:

>Blacks vote against the right
>Right becomes more pro-white
>Less blacks vote for the right.
>"AHA, I KNEW IT!"

jesus christ its that bad

this country is fucked, the libs have hijacked the education system

Not to mention it was hardly "Wall Street", more like the fried chicken, wig shop, the payday loan store, the liquor store, and the local bank getting burned down. Niggers have burned down hundreds more than that in 1967 Detroit or the Rodney King Riots or the Baltimore Riots post Freddy Grey.

literally

muh looks

you really are a loser

I'm in the same boat, bro.

Parents are from Cuba, now we all celebrate 4th of July, eat burgers, love football, etc.

We have family friends from Mexico that are in the same boat. While brown, they are essentially American, never speak Spanish in public (unless it is easier for the listener to speak Spanish), and hold education highly.

Part of the problem I see with some minorities is a lack of respect for education and success, a glorification of petty crime, and a welfare system that slowly kills generations of people by not instilling hope or pride in themselves.


Case in point, anyone can make it in America if you're willing to work hard, and people won't be "racist" to you if you don't ask for it.

Inevitably morphs into a society that fetsishizes other cultures because they're different and therefore superior.

Europe tried it and now they're getting steamrolled by immigrants because their tolerance is so strong they don't even like their countries.

America has a good balance, but not without conflict.

Considering that our population shift is coming from unchecked illegal immigration, wouldn't legal beans under civic nationalism be all for closed borders and deportation of illegals?

Seems like a fix to me, I'm not white but history has shown that we're better off when whites are the majority, its in everyones best interest

Then vote it into power.

For now, we have American nationalism if you put down the tendies and stop the kikes from ruining it.

Nothing.

As per usual left wing communist jews, general purpose leftists and useful idiots would have you otherwise.

It's a lot harder to sell an open border to a population that doesn't hate its self.

Yeah, I had never looked into it before and got curious. I had only ever heard it called "black wall street". I assumed it was something big. Just a fucking ghetto with some mom & pop stores.

>Inevitably morphs into a society that fetsishizes other cultures because they're different and therefore superior.

Might be right about any other culture, but there is no culture superior to ours, so we fetishize our own.

No you fuck off

100% White and Catholic American Trump supporter from day 1. I think this ethnic nationalism in the USA is misguided.

Problems with ethnic nationalism:

1) Changing definitions of what is "white" and or an acceptable ethnicity. There's really no unity here. Some people go as far as "honorary whites" like Japanese, the other extreme says even Italians, Spaniards, Celtics, Slavs, and gingers aren't white. You guys have no clue.

2) impracticality. It might be practical in Europe, where you have far higher proportions of whites and far smaller geographical land areas (easier to govern) but there are 100 million non-whites and the USA is fucking enormous

3) Minorities got Trump elected. Not Whites. That is the Jew media's myth and you guys are gullible cucks for believing it.

4) Trump himself is a Civic Nationalist. He's the president now and he'll be steering US policy for 8 years. Deal with it.

Things to re-assure you about Civic Nationalism:

1) It hasn't really been tried in America for a long time. We've been under the boot of the globalist Jew since 1965, arguably as far back as 1917.

2) Civic Nationalism is not "controlled opposition" by default. Immigration laws should be massively stronger and strictly enforced. We can repeal the 1965 immigration laws and only allow European immigration without going full Nazi Stormfag. We will get rid of sanctuary cities, build the wall and build it tall, and ruthlessly punish those who facilitate the globalist open border ideology.

3) We can wage open war on all fronts against the disgusting and vile creature known as the Jew without becoming Nazi Stormfags. We won't be cooking them, but we will be kicking them out of our institutions and starving them of their life's blood.

4) Civic Nationalism still needs a dominant culture. That will be White culture. It will have a dominant religion - Christianity. But you don't need to go Nazi Stormfag. You just need to enact the laws and efforts listed above.

American nationalism is still demonized by leftists who challenge you to name a time when America was ever great, assert Canadians have superior freedoms because they can smoke weed, etc.

We are just blessed to have a country that protects nationalism as a matter of speech within reasonable boundaries.

White genocide is whats wrong. I dont think you realize how endangered we are.

What gives any nation it's identity? The land (geography and environment) and the people. Romania is Romania because of the he Romanian people, Germany is German because of the German people.
There is no such thing as a "German Middle Easterner", merely a Middle Easterner who is residing in Germany.
America had coalesced into a singular, European identity but that is now being destroyed and by people who are here for the wealth built by European Americans. Barely anyone "emigrating" here comes for freedom, and the opportunity they desire is solely financial.
America isn't a nation, it is a Costco for the world, you apply, you get your membership card, and you shop.
What are the "American people"? Originally it was Europeans only, but now anyone can be American. There is no American identity anymore, and yet Mexico retains it's identity. China retains it's identity, the Middle East nations retain their identities, but they expect us to accept their lower class trash while retaining their identities.

We owe the world NOTHING. WE OWE YOU FOREIGNERS NOTHING.

Honestly, if civic nationalists want it to happen then they need to pro.ote American nationhood.

Currently afro-americans are trying to take out the "Americans" in thier name and input "former slaves" in instead.

I think that Americans should really accept the fact that cosmopolitanism can't work for everyone, not everywhere is a large city full of happy hipsters that have a collection of diverse friends.

America should be viewed as a nation of different ethnicities, not a nation of civilians.

>civic nationalism would lead indirectly to ethnic nationalism in the states.
It wouldn't. It would still let many nonwhites.

Ethnonationalism kills two birds with one stone.

Further race is much more important than ideology and finances. Molyneux and his cult followers like you ignore that history happens in circle. Most whites who vote liberal could in the next few generations vote conservative.

The race doesn't change but the mentality does.

However, race is still important because more social cohesion because people have the same race, thus lower problems than one would expect even when adjusting for a particular ideology. There are also other consequences.

A white leftist society would be more efficient than a mixed one. A white conservative society would be more efficient than a mixed conservative one.

America was also made for whites.

Amen

thanks capitalism

Fuck off Nazi.

You fuck off, Mohamed. If you are white, off yourself ASAP.

Other races need white people. We don't need other races. Civic nationalism is the very reason America and Western Europe is doomed. We thought other races could act like white people if we introduced them to civilization. We are a failed experiment on multiculturalism, and proof that it creates more conflict than it removes. If you are white and don't know what white culture is, and how white culture relates to your country's dominant culture, that should be keeping you up at night.

R/thedonald is still here after the election?

Take it easy dude, I understand the USA had and still has a strong white/American culture. Its important that it remains the dominant culture and any immigrants from anywhere, after going through the proper channels and screening, know that and assimilate.

This, races need to have their own countries or it makes problems for everyone involved

Hitler said it best "money rules in these nations"

They can't all assimilate because of genetic differences

Thanks globalist Marxists, you mean

Nope, I'm Sup Forums (and white) through and through. Also bought my first gun to shoot any fucking fascists that want to goosestep through my neighborhood.

>100781897
being this retarded

wew lad

>America and Western Europe are the most successful civilizations in the world
>I TOLD YOU MULTICULTURALISM DOESNT WORK!!!!

Less diversity in the world is bad.

The white race is on its way to die. Liberals want race mixing everywhere and believe in the nonsense position that "only group people should adhere to is humanity".

Unlike liberals, white nationalism actually believe in diversity. They don't want whites to flood African countries or China if they could. They respect the fact that many countries are racially homogeneous.

This is actual diversity. Respecting the fact that many races, tribes, ethnicities exist in the world without wanting to remove your own (being passive about its death is being complicit).

I'm not a nazi either but they are our allies not our enemies

>r/teh_donald still here
Unfortunately yeah. They mostly stick inside the Trump general thread, but they occasionally leak out. I don't recommend trump general threads. Makes me vomit, the perverse muh civic nationalism! This election I learned that I was "the enemy" because I was white. I can never forget it now. Separation is the only answer

This bastardized, negrified, post 1950s pop culture has no merit other than generating wealth while influencing the nation.

>I'm Sup Forums
You're trying too hard.

Do some research into racial genetic differences before you try to sound smart

>whites not flooding other countires

KEK

>being this retarded
Wew lad

Nah bro. Trump's election convinced me right-of-center is the way, but just like I gave retarded liberals redpills before, now I need to check against the excesses of the cowards known as Nazis.

They became great because of their white population, everywhere with a majority of blacks is a shithole

>pre-1965 Immigration Act America
>multicultural

Heh

Can you show any respectable white nationalist or white nationalist book/article/source advocating for whites to flood nonwhite countries?

Also, it's obviously not happening currently because there aren't that many whites. It's the liberals who mostly move to nonwhite countries and make them shittier.

I think he's referencing colonialism. Maybe multicultural Europe is punishment for their sins.

There's truth to that, Ive been to other countries half way across the world and all of he southwest and West Coast, it seems that nigs and hajis will never let go of their savage tendencies. Latinos are the same to some extent but theres hope if they arent here in force.

This is also true, the culture That comes to mind when I say "American Culture" is the pre WWII culture or Frontier Spirit of the old days

When whites go to other countries, it's called colonialism, and it's evil. When shit skins go to white countries, it's called diversity and it's a moral good. Fucking kikes

The sin of bringing civilization to savages?

Why are all my fellow Cubans so based.

That's false equivalency, nigger. America isn't formally conquered by a foreign power. I'm not saying immigration is good but don't be a retard.