Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.
>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
>To acheive such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.
you're quite fast how can south american shitholes that had and still have communism be for communism while eastern europe rejects it here's a sage friend
Jackson Lee
>using the nazbol meme in OP pic
Joshua Thomas
Communism is a spook
Ryan Sullivan
HELICOPTER RIDES ARE TOO MERCIFUL FOR THE COMMUNIST SCUM
Brandon Wood
Greetings comrade
Asher Rodriguez
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Entering "sage" (by itself) into the [Options] field while replying will cause the thread not to bump to the top of the page
Alexander Barnes
Faggots all of you
Ayden Walker
why are these threads not spammed with gore and pron? What happened to you Sup Forums?
Nathan Hall
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Adam Ross
Whats their to discuss. We've had 90+ years to see communism flounder.
Venezuela was the last straw.
Austin Richardson
When people start starving because communist economics and production are realistically unstable and don't prepare for future losses in any industry it takes control over, who will replace the workers that died - and if they can't how will they be able to produce for the current population?
Ryan Cruz
>why are these threads not spammed with gore and pron? spammed with happy merchants we all have folders and who's behind communism
Cameron Adams
>World leaders praising Fidel Castro
- Ban Ki-moon (United Nations) - Jean-Claude Juncker (European Commision) - José Eduardo dos Santos (Angola) - Serzh Sargsyan (Armenia) - Ilham Aliyev (Azerbaijan) - Abdul Hamid (Bangladesh) - Dean Barrow (Belize) - Evo Morales (Bolivia) - Justin Trudeau (Canada) - Michelle Bachelet (Chile) - Xi Jinping (China) - Juan Manuel Santos (Colombia) - Rafael Correa (Ecuador) - Abdel Fattah el-Sisi (Egypt) - Salvador Sánchez Cerén (El Salvador) - François Hollande (France) - Giorgi Margvelashvili (Georgia) - Alexis Tsipras (Greece) - Jimmy Morales (Guatemala) - Pope Francis (Holy See) - Pranab Mukherjee (India) - Hassan Rouhani (Iran) - Michael D. Higgins (Ireland) - Sergio Mattarella (Italy) - Andrew Holness (Jamaica) - Bounnhang Vorachit (Laos) - Michel Aoun (Lebanon) - Nursultan Nazarbayev (Kazakhstan) - Uhuru Kenyatta (Kenya) - Almazbek Atambayev (Kyrgyzstan) - Najib Razak (Malaysia) - Enrique Peña Nieto (Mexico) - Igor Dodon (Moldova) - Hage Geingob (Namibia) - Daniel Ortega (Nicaragua) - Muhammadu Buhari (Nigeria) - Kim Jong-un (North Korea) - Mahmoud Abbas (Palestine) - Peter O'Neill (Papua New Guinea) - Rodrigo Duterte (Philippines) - Vladimir Putin (Russia) - Tomislav Nikolić (Sebia) - Robert Fico (Slovakia) - Tony Tan Keng Yam (Singapore) - Jacob Zuma (South Africa) - Bashar al-Assad (Syria) - Petro Poroshenko (Ukraine) - Tabaré Vázquez (Uruguay) - Nicolás Maduro (Venezuela) - Adolfo Pérez Esquivel (Nobel Peace laureate) - Jimmy Carter (Nobel Peace laureate) - Rigoberta Menchú (Nobel Peace laureate)
>World leaders condemning Castro
- Donald Trump (Great Satan)
Henry Campbell
KILL EM ALL
Isaac King
thanks user
Joshua Wright
How are you going to stop an elite from forming a Politburo that replaces the existing structures with a more extreme apparatus? It seems that communism meant riches and power for a few and suffering for most every single time it has been tried. See: Sovietrussia, China, Cuba, Vietnam, North Korea to name a few.
Brayden Smith
>turk >calling anyone else a roach
Isaac White
Communism isn't what follows capitalism, socialism is. And you can't have either until capitalism has run it's course and technology has advanced enough to eliminate all forms of scarcity. Marx was smart enough to know that the revolution would not occur in his lifetime, and full communism may not happen in ours. But the revolution will come, comrades, and when it does it shall be sweet. All the pork slaves please leave and go back to masturbating to Ivanka's feet
Logan Morgan
klk manin! dame lu manin que hay con tigo?
Caleb Hall
Why are you trying to spam it though, if you have anything logical to say say it, this isn't Sup Forums. If it doesn't have enough demand it will die out anyway (which is highly probable)
Parker Collins
> Muhammadu Buhari
Haha, that piece of shit deserves the chair.
Jason Perry
>gommies thinking they actually know how to argue
Jace Ross
>Comparing heterogeneous goods
Since capital goods and labor are highly heterogeneous (i.e., they have different characteristics that pertain to physical productivity), economic calculation requires a common basis for comparison for all forms of capital and labour.
Money, as a means of exchange, enables buyers to compare the costs of goods without having knowledge of their underlying factors; the consumer can simply focus on his personal cost-benefit decision. The price system is therefore said to promote economically efficient use of resources by agents who may not have explicit knowledge of all of the conditions of production or supply. This is called the signalling function of prices, as well as the rationing function which prevents over-use of any resource.
Without the market process to fulfill such comparisons, critics of non-market socialism say that it lacks any way to compare different goods and services and would have to rely on calculation in kind. The resulting decisions, it is claimed, would therefore be made without sufficient knowledge to be considered rational.
Austin Ortiz
>Relating utility to capital and consumption goods
The common basis for comparison for capital goods must also be connected to consumer welfare. It must also be able to compare the desired trade-off between present consumption and delayed consumption (for greater returns later on), via investment in capital goods. The use of money as a medium of exchange and unit of account is necessary to solve the first two problems of economic calculation.
Marginal consumer expenditures represent the marginal utility or additional consumer satisfaction expected by consumers as they spend money. This is similar to the equi-marginal principle developed by Alfred Marshall. Consumers equalize the marginal utility (amount of satisfaction) of the last dollar spent on each good. So the exchange of consumer goods establishes prices that represent the marginal utility of consumers, and money therefore is representative of consumer satisfaction.
Without a price mechanism, Mises argues, socialism lacks the means to relate consumer satisfaction to economic activity. The incentive function of prices allows diffuse interests, like the interests of every household in cheap, high quality, shoes, to compete with the concentrated interests of the cobblers in expensive, poor quality shoes. Without it, a panel of experts set up to ‘rationalise production’, likely closely linked to the cobblers for expertise, would tend to support the cobblers interests in a ‘conspiracy against the public’. If this happens to all industries however, everyone would be worse off than if they had been subject to the rigours of market competition.
Michael Scott
lefties btfo
Alexander Martin
>Entrepreneurship
The third condition for economic calculation is the existence of genuine entrepreneurship and market rivalry.
According to Kirzner (1973) and Lavoie (1985) entrepreneurs reap profits by supplying unfulfilled needs in all markets. Entrepreneurship therefore brings prices closer to marginal costs. The adjustment of prices in markets towards ‘equilibrium’ (where supply and demand equal) gives them greater utilitarian significance. The activities of entrepreneurs make prices more accurate in terms of how they represent the marginal utility of consumers. Prices act as guides to the planning of production. Those who plan production use prices to decide which lines of production should be expanded or curtailed.
Entrepreneurs lack the profit motive to take risks under socialism, and so are far less likely to attempt to supply consumer demands. Without the price system to match consumer utility to incentives for production, or even indicate those utilities "without providing incentives", state planners are much less likely to invest in new ideas to satisfy consumers' desires.
Will I get to have lolis and live free of niggers?
Kevin King
>Coherent planning
The fourth condition for successful economic calculation is plan coordination among those who plan production. The planning could either be done in a decentralised fashion, requiring some mechanism to make the individual plans coherent, or centrally, requiring a lot of information.
Within capitalism, the overall plan for production is composed of individual plans from capitalists in large and small enterprises. Since capitalists purchase labour and capital out of the same common pool of available but scarce labor and capital, it is essential that their plans fit together in at least a semi-coherent fashion. Hayek defined an efficient planning process as one where all decision makers form plans that contain relevant data from the plans from others. Entrepreneurs acquire data on the plans from others through the price system. The price system is an indispensable communications network for plan coordination among entrepreneurs. Increases and decreases in prices inform entrepreneurs about the general economic situation, to which they must adjust their own plans.
As for socialism, Mises and Hayek insisted that bureaucrats in individual ministries could not coordinate their plans without a price system. If decentralized socialism cannot work, central authorities must plan production. But central planners face the knowledge problem in forming a comprehensive plan for production. Mises and Hayek saw centralization as inevitable in socialism.
Owen Campbell
Venezuela hasn't even seized the means of production.
Jason Morgan
fuck off leftypol
Chase Sanchez
>Sup Forums >books
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Bentley Miller
communism will take over this board, too late buckos
Jeremiah Howard
thanks comrade
Cooper Peterson
So are there any decent commie/Marxist podcasts out there? Like on the level of The Daily Shoah? I want to see how edgy the left can get
Jackson Smith
Wonderful argument ameritard Die as soon as possible
I'm gonna bump this thread just to spite you cucks
Samuel Sanchez
Enjoy being irrelevant while you weep for your dear leader.
Brainwashed cuckold
Chase Lee
you know if you filter communism/marxism to autism these threads make alot more sense
Jose Foster
>conservatives and rightwingtards >able to argue all i see is salty sage posts and shitposts with spam
Jayden Allen
Will be saved till the end of time
Julian Thompson
>commie turkroach
OH SHIT HAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
Jayden Powell
Reminder to sage and hide all shill threads. Don't let them slide our shit.
Brody Gonzalez
The only thing you'll take over is the Jews' place in the camps.
Josiah Roberts
thanks comrade turkey is a wonderful country
Cameron Myers
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Fuck the commies, it's disgusting!
Andrew Sanders
>Trump made racism mainstream so the only way to be edgy now is to be a gommunist
Asher Miller
>a fucking turk having the audacity to call anyone else a roach
Juan Thomas
even tripfaggots are better than commies
Jose Smith
Someone ask Hbomb to make a Marxist podcast.
Jordan Cook
See what the wonderful Brazilian has posted You may go ahead and ignore his points, but everyone who reads this thread and notices your blatant refusal to accept reality will know you for what you are.
Xavier Richardson
This is the only thing neo/pol/ does. Hiding the truth.
What are you afraid of if you have the logical high ground you dumb shitface? What is a few shills gonna do?
Henry Bell
yanın ulan sağcılar :DD
isteseniz de istemeseniz de Sup Forums u ele geçireceğiz :DD
Adrian Davis
/thread /ideology
Sebastian Carter
Because individuals have rights
Charles Morales
I thought we made it clear last time.
ALL BOLSHEVIKS SHOULD HANG
Henry Jenkins
I guess not all Turks are bad.
Jeremiah Wright
roaches
Isaac Morales
>everything I don't like is part of a vast cuckspiracy
Owen Jones
Oh boi, it's not Sup Forums or /tr/. IT'S FUCKING Sup Forums
Parker Jones
kek because every capitalist country is an epitome of success
How stupid you need to be to defend jews right to be rich And you shitfaces have the audacity to say jews invented communism
Wyatt Jones
hiding what fucking truth exactly? all these threads consist of is shitpost and /leftypol/ + /r/AgitationCommittee screaming safe space
Lincoln Hernandez
>mfw this thread
Alexander Robinson
marx was a jew and laid out the principles for communism
Adrian Hall
>How stupid you need to be to defend jews right to be rich
because I had communism and it left unhealed wounds on collective soul, it's retarded
>but it's okay since it wasn't real socialism >rince and repeat
Nathaniel Ortiz
>saged and hidden
Camden Diaz
Anzu's a bad Turk tb.h
Brandon Clark
Allende wasn't even a proper communist. He was a patsy democratic socialist.
Benjamin Cooper
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Sebastian Nelson
So whats your plans after high school ?
Nathaniel Wood
Not only hang. Take a look at this post for reference.
Jordan Taylor
She bad.
Isaiah Hernandez
>Posting an american puppet installed after a coup
John Walker
Reminder that Reddit communists are raiding Sup Forums because they have shit-tier recognition with normies, and are jelly of Sup Forums's political influence.
They steal our memes and make lazy edits of them, because communism sucks at innovation; and is an ideology for 3rd-world niggers.
Sage and hide all commie threads. If you feel like it, troll and spam their threads with shitposts and counter-arguments; but don't forget to sage. Don't let them get a foothold on Sup Forums.
Angel Lopez
>turkroach is still at it Come back when your nation admits the Armenian genocide happened. It's pointless to talk about an ideology given to genocide with a roach from a country where denial is an official postion of the state
Lincoln Turner
Helicopter rides are too merciful for the communist scum.
Charles Jones
> not recognizing Pinochet
would you like a free helicopter ride friend?
Ayden Jenkins
I think social democracy is the best system.
Liam Cook
I have a master in compsci and you?
Daniel Gomez
Let me tell you, as somebody from a postcommunist country, what you are signing up for: slave labor, crappy concrete cube commieblocks, month-long waits for a simple town doctor admission, queuing for the monthly ration of 200 grams of bread with your food tickets (the first 10 will get it, don't even dream of acquiring anything else), lack of every possible equipment in horribly overcrowded classrooms teaching nothing but propaganda, terror, oppression, internationalism, nepotism, corruption, cessation of the economy from which you will never, ever recover Oh, and inb4 muh robots: This is what was said for steam engines too. Post scarcity is not possible. Either there will be massive poverty and unemployment or simply the economy will expand due to increased productivity per worker. Or both in this exact order. Granted, you will stick with the first if you try communism Stop shitting up our board, go back to r.eddit
Levi Nelson
panama with the bants
Brayden Miller
>a fucking roach lmao
William Jones
get bent commie fuckface
Bentley Reyes
>Post scarcity is not possible. It will be. It a medium distance future it will be, for sure. We are alreading heading for it slowly. First sign of it is unconditional basic income
Liam Anderson
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Lincoln Reyes
But they are bringing arguments. You are bringing shitposts. You have no difference from plebits, just trying to supress any opposition you don't like.
>Jesus was jewish so jews invented christianity Literally no difference
Matthew Gonzalez
>Mfw part of me wants to be Socialist >Mfw part of me wants to be Conservative Help.
Parker Wilson
So? it's a tomboy cosplayer thread now?
No my brother, no.
Dylan Flores
>knows who Pinochet is >doesn't know who Allende is
Andrew Garcia
HELICOPTER RIDES ARE TOO MERCIFUL FOR THE COMMUNIST SCUM
Evan Bailey
Yeah, like every anti-communist is a porky.
Alexander Robinson
their arguments consist of THAT WASN'T REAL SOCIALISM THAT WAS STATE CAPITALISM repeated ad infinitum >roach
Juan White
>from which you will never, ever recover
That's an excuse for the shitty neoliberal capitalism that rules over Eastern Europe now.
Jeremiah Carter
reminder that killing commies is legitimate self defense
Josiah Bennett
Serious question, what appeals to you about socialisim?
Ethan Davis
No they don't, if you actually read the arguments you would see that.
