Is this the first written mention of Jesus?

2k-year-old lead tablets found in remote cave ARE genuine, claim researchers
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• The lead pages, bound like a ring binder, were first discovered in 2008
• The tablets suggest that Christ was not starting his own religion, but restoring a thousand-year-old tradition from the time of King David
• They also suggest the God he worshipped was both male and female
• New testing said to confirm their age, say authors who have been campaigning since 2009 for the tablets to be recognised and protected

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WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE ANCIENT LEAD TABLETS

The ancient books were found in 2008 in a cave in northern Jordan by a Jordanian Bedouin, after which they are said to have been acquired by an Israeli Bedouin.

The lead 'pages' - known as codices - are held together like a ring binder.

The pages are thought to be 2,000 years old and are said to contain the earliest mentions of Jesus Christ, including an image.

Their discovery was first announced in 2011.

They have been branded fakes by a number of scholars.

However, authors David and Jennifer Elkington have been campaigning since 2009 for the codices to be recognised and protected.

WHAT THE TABLETS SAY

The lead has been analysed and the words and symbols translated and experts say the tablets date from within a few years of Jesus' ministry.

The tablets suggest that Christ was not starting his own religion, but restoring a thousand-year-old tradition from the time of King David.

And the God he worshipped was both male and female.

Central to the books is the idea that Christ promoted worship in Solomon's Temple where the very face of God was believed to be seen - and this is where the episode with the moneylenders in the Bible came from.

One of the books bears resemblance to how the Book of Revelations is described as it has seven seals.

REAL OR FAKE? CONTROVERSY SURROUNDS TABLETS

Since their unveiling in 2011, the lead tablets have proved controversial.

Academics are divided as to their authenticity but have said that if verified, they could prove as pivotal as the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls in 1947.

The prospect that they could contain contemporary accounts of the final years of Jesus’s life has excited scholars ever since – although their enthusiasm has been tempered by the fact that experts have previously been fooled by sophisticated fakes.

David Elkington, a British scholar of ancient religious history and archaeology, and one of the few to have examined the books, says they could be ‘the major discovery of Christian history’.

But the mysteries between their ancient pages are not the books’ only riddle.

Previously, their whereabouts were also something of a mystery.

After their discovery by a Jordanian Bedouin, the hoard was subsequently acquired by an Israeli Bedouin, who was said to have illegally smuggled them across the border into Israel, where they remained.

However, the Jordanian Government later worked to repatriate and safeguard the collection.

The are now kept by the Department of Antiquities in the Jordanian capital Amman.

Analysis of the script by scholars has confirmed that the language of the codices is Paleo-Hebrew.

The codices are covered in eight-pointed stars, symbolic of the coming of the messiah, and they mention the name of Jesus.

They also contain the names of apostles James, Peter and John.

According to the Elkingtons the books suggest Christ was part of a Hebrew sect dating back 1,000 years to King David, who worshipped in the Temple of Solomon and believed in a male-female God.

In the Bible Jesus is referred to as a 'tekton' which is usually translated as 'carpenter' but actually means a skilled craftsman and could refer to the skill of producing such works in metal.

In traditional Christian icons he is often shown carrying a sealed book - a codex.

Mr Elkington said: 'Jesus was seeking to restore the Temple.

'To put back that which had been lost in the reforms that came before his time.

'Dr Hugh Schonfield, one of the most eminent authorities ever to work on the Dead Sea Scrolls, predicted that a metal book would be found: as he recognized that one had been described in a scroll called The Damascus Document - a description that fits precisely one of the codices.

'His conclusion was that Christianity was based within the Hebrew Temple.

'Dr Schonfield, who was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, also described himself as a Jewish-Christian, a view that he held because of his work on the scrolls.

'A part of the older tradition of the Temple was the Divine Feminine - known to Christians as the Holy Spirit. Jesus had women involved in his ministry.

'At the height of his ministry, the gospels tell us that Jesus challenged the moneychangers in the temple.

'The codices appear to reveal what happened afterwards - a chapter missing from the gospels.

'It would appear that Christianity was founded upon what Jesus did in the temple: a place where many Jews believed God actually resided. Jesus went into the Temple to renew a covenant with God.'

While the codices do not contradict any of the established narrative they place greater emphasis on the physical temple, of the belief in the divine feminine and in Christ's role in protecting a lineage of Hebrews rather than being the founder of his own movement.

Previously, many experts have been wary of confirming the authenticity of the codices.

In 2011, two samples were sent to a laboratory in England where they were examined by Peter Northover, head of the materials science-based archaeology group.

The verdict was inconclusive without more tests, but he said the composition was 'consistent with a range of ancient lead.'

However, Philip Davies, emeritus professor of biblical studies at Sheffield University was convinced the codices were genuine after studying one.

He has told colleagues privately that he believed the find is unlikely to have been forged, reported the Sunday Times.

>The tablets suggest that Christ was not starting his own religion, but restoring a thousand-year-old tradition from the time of King David.
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is this news to anyone?
he wasn't trying to start his own religion, he was trying to fix Judaism, much to the dismay of the jews

>And the God he worshipped was both male and female.
I think that's just some odd phrasing suggesting that god is above things like human gender. why would god procreate in a sexual manner?

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how are they 2000 years old when jesus died at 33 a.d.

>Dailymail
Jesus never existed you tards.

Read some Richard Carrier and Robert Price.

that['s why this is significant. they think it might be from while he was alive

>I think that's just some odd phrasing suggesting that god is above things like human gender.
I agree. It makes more sense for God to be beyond labels such as male and female.

Just because they are real doesn't mean they are true. Paul started pretending to be an apostle almost immediately after christ died and he lead many astray. He could not have been more of a contemporary to christ yet could not have been less righteous in his proselytizing.

dude looks like a 14 year old. opinion disregarded.

>Jesus never existed

Gnostic heresy! Burn it!

Knowing what I do about Israeli Archaeology, I have no reason to trust this.

Always finding stuff in caves.

sorry pope francis. the truth must be revealed

youtube.com/watch?v=0uzynaLi4Tg

youtube.com/watch?v=OO4uzgiRHkE

Of course Iesus existed, Iesus is the infinite one God incarnated as a man.

(((christcucks))) on suicide watch

>different books relating to Christ have different interpretations of his message and life
STOP THE PRESSES

Paul did what was needed for the church, he pretty much created the church.

> they start injecting old testament shit into christ's word.

Bet you they do this, they want to install indefinite enslavement. The way it was before christ. Where you had pharaohs, oligarchy, nobles and a huge mass of slaves.

Where depending on your class status, that is your privilege in this life.

Socialism is the perfect ideal for this.

>(((paul))) subverted everything jesus tried to do and turned it into the worship of satan
ftfy

> the hoard was subsequently acquired by an Israeli Bedouin, who was said to have illegally smuggled them across the border into Israel, where they remained
>According to the Elkingtons the books suggest Christ was part of a Hebrew sect dating back 1,000 years to King David, who worshipped in the Temple of Solomon and believed in a male-female God
>male-female God
Confirmed zionist faked bullshit

until this was discovered, there was no historical evidence of jesus outside of the bible

According to the new testament, the son the father and the holy spirit are one. Jesus would not have worshiped god. According to the bible, there are no male or female outside of this plane of existence. Seraphim are genderless. There is nothing sacred about this world either. It wouldn't have mattered where you worshiped. This is most likely a fake.

>The tablets suggest that Christ was not starting his own religion, but restoring a thousand-year-old tradition from the time of King David
>They also suggest the God he worshipped was both male and female

Journalists will never into apocrypha.

Christfags btfo

Gnosticism was prevalent in the 1st century AD. These tablets do not change our understanding of church history.

What exactly is so extraordinary about this? Unlike the Dead Sea scrolls, there's apparently nothing new or controversial on them.

I have seen this cave in my dreams. This is the cave where Jesus went up to the great big dog kennel in the sky.

Reminder that the pharisees of the bible are the jews of today
Reminder that the corrupt oral tradition of the pharisees was recorded as the talmud
Reminder that the true religion of the Israelites follows the line of Christ

>church history
you mean
>jesus dies
>some random faggot named (((paul))) takes over everything and pushes a bunch of moloch worship rituals into the (((church))) he founded
>they then proceeded to kill everybody who questioned it
yeah sounds like something jesus would totally do, nothing fishy here.

fake and gay

>bunch of moloch worship rituals

>daily mail
lmao, never trust them on shit like this.

uh oh

lol those binders make the book look like some shit out of The Flintstones

peter took over not paul

>cannibalizing on christ
>worshiping a dead christ
>molesting children and then 'disappearing them' and covering it all up
>constant wars against 'muh infidels'
>inquisition
i could go on, its obvious.

Betty or Wilma?

Do you even read scripture?

Betty, barring the live action version of Betty.

>Paul did what was needed for the church, he pretty much created the church.

I always thought it was funny only a few people questioned this later on.

Johnny-come-lately shows up and says he saw Jesus too! Except not actually, didn't study under him, didn't even live nearby, but HOL UP guys let me tell you what your religion is all about.

give me the words and possible translations of the individual words

i'll decide for myself what the underlying message is thank you. you won't fool me, scientists.

/thread
> gripping my bible tight

>bettyfags

enjoy your cowtits faggot, pebbles is best girl

>cannibalizing on christ
Do you mean Holy Communion?

Jesus said to partake in the wine and the bread "in remembrance of me," stating these items were symbols of his blood and his body.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Eucharist#New_Testament_accounts

GOD IS A TRANNY

It's the opposite in fact, because it's the Daily Mail, we can trust them on shit like this. More """reputable""" outlets wouldn't touch this with a barge pole, so when they do, it's to push an agenda. The Mail will just print anything they get their hands on. As long s you pat attention to the caveats, you'll be fine.

>say authors
shouldn't those fuckers be dead it's been 2000 years

I forgot about Rosie in that movie.

>found in Jordan by an Israeli Bedouin

lmao here we go

No, because at this point you're being purposefully retarded.

>Do you mean Holy Communion?
yes, thats the satanic cannibal ritual im referring to.
>Jesus said to partake in the wine and the bread "in remembrance of me," stating these items were symbols of his blood and his body.
according to the (((bible))). yeah, totally makes sense jesus would tell you to cannibalize on effigys of him
>cuck has no argument
interesting

i think they're referring to the scientists that wrote about the book

How the fuck can they translate so much when half the shit is eroded?

(((deductive reasoning)))

Look at that edgy fedora tipper.

A. Constant wars against infidels didn't happen. Christians warred among themselves far more often than against other faiths. Europe was actually the greatest exporter of Otoman weapons. Popes proclaimed edicts against it, but not even Italians cared. Roncone was preferred polearm of Janissaries and all of them came from Italy.
B. Inquisition. Fairly marginal happening history wise with few actual deaths. Romans, Greeks, did far worse. Mass exterminations, mass enslavements. And then you have Turks, Gauls amongs themselves, etc...
C. Your other points are just plain lies.

RationalWiki claims that Jesus is clearly a historical myth. Therefore, this tablet is irrelevant.

>according to the (((bible)))
If you don't trust the bible then what source do you get your information from to worship Jesus Christ correctly?

>A. Constant wars against infidels didn't happen. Christians warred among themselves far more often than against other faiths.
yes, because im sure jesus wanted christcucks to war with each other constantly. :^)

>Outside of the multiple books written about Jesus in the first century there is no evidence.
Besides being ignorant drivel, just think about that for a second.

why would i worship jesus? he clearly told you idiots not to fucking worship him.

This is what atheists and pagans actually believe

filtered ;)

Looks like Christianity and Islam are bust. Time for Judaism!

Looking closely and reconstructing words they can't fully make out I guess. No doubt there's plenty of scientific jiggery-pokery that allows them to see stuff which we can't with the naked eye.

the templars were openly satanic and it is easily seen through their actions throughout history. when the king of france found out he fucking slaughtered them and they fled and turned into the (((masons/Illuminati))) cryptokikes who are currently involved in open satanism. some things never change. stay cucked.

Let me reask that question another way.

If you don't trust the bible then what source do you get your information from to worship as Jesus would have you worship?

>If you don't trust the bible then what source do you get your information from to worship as Jesus would have you worship?
jesus told you not to fucking worship anything. he told you to be a good person, something christcucks rarely are.

There is only one entity that the says to give praise to is God.

Where are you getting your information to come to that conclusion, if not the Bible?

nice b8

Denying Jesus as a historical person is retarded regardless of what you believe

Yeah I find this weird too.

Not the point you were making initially. But I'll indulge you by refuting another idiocy that you made.

>sure jesus wanted christcucks to war with each other constantly.
You need to make a distinction in Christian teaching and what ALL nations did since the early ages. I bet it's hard for one of lesser intelligence, but the distinction exists. Nations warred amongst themselves, it could have a cause of religion, but it often did not. People just tended to hate each others, and each other neighbours, so they killed themselves and warred among themselves. You only have to thank a certain humanity that prevailed, so it's not so often now. And if you think that started with French, well, you're wrong again. It started with the one dying on the cross.

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its in the bible, outside of the bible theres very little writings about christ, since the (((church))) destroyed them.

>yes, thats the satanic cannibal ritual im referring to.
There's biblical basis for it though. "Satanic" isn't an adjective to use lightly for anything you lack understanding in.

Agreed.

Betty all the way.

>doesn't believe in Jesus or the Bible
>calls communion satanic

some serious cognitive dissonance going on with you boi.

>more proof of Kek
Wew lads color me surprised.

>There's biblical basis for it though.
(((biblical)))
>"Satanic" isn't an adjective to use lightly for anything you lack understanding in.
you clearly have no understanding of 'satanic' considering you fucking cannibalize on the flesh and blood of christ in effigy.

what the fuck do you think spiritcooking is? you are practicing 'satanism : the dumb goy lite version'

im using a term you braindead cucks would comprehend. what it really is isnt 'satanic' so much as it is ancient moloch/babylonian death worship of truly evil deities.

>when the king of france found out he fucking slaughtered them and they fled and turned into the
King Jew borrowing from the good men of the order and then killing them so he wouldn't have to pay it back.

>(((money lenders)))
>good men
shabos goy to the core, huh?

Satan means adversary/obstacle.

God created Satan to test us.

There is no pitchfork guy.

Just because something is old does not mean it is accurate. If I were to write the Book of Mormon on steel plates and bury them in the sand for 2,000 years, it would still be bullshit.

My understanding has always been that God is not of man or woman, but of spirit

>God created Satan to test us.
wow, (((God))) sounds like a nice guy, creating demons to torment you. :^)

>Templars were the main lenders
>Get slandered and killed
>Jews take over money lending
Templars are the bad goys!

>what the fuck do you think spiritcooking is? you are practicing 'satanism : the dumb goy lite version'

I'm glad someone said it

>In the Bible Jesus is referred to as a 'tekton' which is usually translated as 'carpenter' but actually means a skilled craftsman and could refer to the skill of producing such works in metal.
>'A part of the older tradition of the Temple was the Divine Feminine - known to Christians as the Holy Spirit. Jesus had women involved in his ministry.
>While the codices do not contradict any of the established narrative they place greater emphasis on the physical temple, of the belief in the divine feminine and in Christ's role in protecting a lineage of Hebrews rather than being the founder of his own movement.
>codex is likely to be between 1800-2000 years old.

Seriously Sup Forums, stop buying into whatever bullshit comes your way

>implying the (((templars))) arent jews
>jesus beat up the money lenders in the temple but its ok when the TEMPLARS are (((money lenders))).
mmmm cognitive dissonance

>2000 years old
>discovered in 2008
>written when jesus was 8

also, the reason why there's 4 books about jesus in the bible is basically to verify the life of jesus as best as they could (for the time). there are/were MANY different versions of his life but the ones that were accepted had consistency and different perspectives on his teachings. given that the bible is essentially the (((law))) and a collection of information from a fucking diaspora, shit like this deserves to be buried and forgotten.

You think a 2000 year old book would be chilling in a tree?

>acquired by an Israeli Bedouin
>restoring a thousand-year-old tradition from the time of King David
>They also suggest the God he worshipped was both male and female

>male and female

>""God wuz trans" - Jesus" - The Jews
caught you (((motherfuckers)))