This thread is for the discussion of any and all left-wing political ideology, including, but not limited to, Marxism/Socialism/Communism/etc.
>Socialism is an economic and social system defined by social ownership of the means of production. (Workers democratically own and operate the places in which they work, as opposed to private power aka capitalism)
>The means of production are non-human inputs the create economic value, such as factories, workplaces, industrial machinery, etc. Socialists refer to the means of production as capital, or private property. Private property in the socialist context shouldn't be confused with personal property, such as your home, car, computer, and other possessions.
>In a capitalist society the means of production are owned and controlled privately, by those that can afford them (the capitalist aka those with capital). Production is carried out to benefit the capitalist (production for profit). Workers are paid a wage, and receive that amount regardless of how much value they produce.
>Communism is the highest developed stage of socialism wherein there is no state, no money, no class system. The means of production are owned by all and provide for everyone's needs.
Sup Forums will always be a Far-Right board. Kill yourself, communist cuck.
Cooper Taylor
>socialism has never truly been tried >my perfect infallible imaginary version of it has never happened and every time I try it devolves into something else and fails miserably
Juan Reed
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Tyler Mitchell
Fuck off commie scum. You dont want to play this game. payback is a bitch.
Chase Murphy
Marx was a faggot whose been proven wrong 100 million times over by dead bodies.
Nicholas Parker
I find it strange that only americans and canadians shill for this shit.
Hudson Roberts
Reminder to Report for being a poltically correct topic
Sebastian White
Get out of my country faggot. $50 says you're a manlet that lives in Toronto. You people are a joke.
Do you consider Identitarian politics as helpful to the cause?
I see anti racists going off about how irredeemable the poor whites in the middle of my country are when we all know that the same capitalist oppressing them are the ones keeping blacks down in the cities
Brayden Cruz
Why do you stand in the wrong side of the history?
Jackson Bell
>dat gif checked
Jace Butler
How many times do we have to say it until you stormweenies realize the truth? If I want to have a communist state It turns into state capitalist state instead Therefore it was not a comunist state
Jordan Young
Yes yes utopian world best world, Castro #1 zzzzzz
Ryder Morgan
So, where are all these facts you mention? Surely you have some statistics?
> In a capitalist society ... workers are paid a wage, and receive that amount regardless of how much value they produce.
Maybe in theory but not in practice. In practice, in an effective company workers who provide more value than others will be awarded more responsibility and pay (promoted). Capitalism incentivizes merit-based pay.
Kayden Martin
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Kevin Kelly
post facts and move your discussion or shut up, have a bump
Joseph Wood
Fuck off bolshevik scum
Kayden Morris
>wherein there is no state Then how do you regulate production, trade, and defense? How do you form social policy or make laws? >no money Then how do you incentivize production beyond the necessities? >no class system Without a state, how do you stop class systems from forming? What's to stop people from voluntarily starting small, local governments that gradually grow into one modern, recognizable state comparable to the ones we have today?
Arguing in circles with you commie faggots is so fruitless. I hope you have your skin removed while you still breath desu
Lucas Campbell
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Christian Gonzalez
Nope, IDpol exists to divide and alienate the working class from each other.
Owen Richardson
>post facts >implying you have the capability of understanding them, given your stormweenieness
Landon Thomas
Reminder to sage and hide all faggot shill threads. Don't let them slide.
Jackson Taylor
that doesnt mean anyone should pay more for a burger, and that doesnt mean people should be allowed to charge more for a burger. in that scenario, a burger "should" cost less than 5 or 3 dollars. just because someone is willing to pay up to 5 dollars for a burger doesnt mean they would if they did not cost that much.
the only thing that changes the above is scarcity, not increased interest like youre implying. so youre thinking of scarcity, which is what makes setting prices in communism difficult in the first place. this is the -actual- real reason communism is idealistic, because its very hard when scarcity is a thing. and this also isnt to say that varying interests among the populous doesnt make it more complicated; it does. but its not the main problem. if nothing was scarce, interest would not be a problem. and technology will see to it that things become less and less scarce, to the point where a new economy wouldnt just make sense, it will practically be necessary, lest you insist on paying ceos assloads of cash just for owning robots and software.
and im not arguing for or against any ideology, just pointing out flaws in your understanding. that pic would be silly to you, if you actually understood. hopefully i have helped.
Joshua Flores
rolling to decide new topic for the thread.
Dylan Jones
Is this the new /NatSoc/ general?
Ethan Bailey
So you've successfully shielded your ideology from all the failures in history that encompass the attempts to implement them? Good to know you are a complete moron with zero self awareness, congrats
Hunter Murphy
Your the main reason why our country isn't great
Dominic Bell
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Jackson Gomez
Arguing in circles with you nazi faggots is so fruitless. I hope you have your skin removed while you still breath desu
Noah Collins
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Jayden Walker
fuck off! Debate me!
Chase Edwards
well you got half of it correct
pic related IDpol is cancer
Christopher Hill
>communism doesnt work? EXPLAIN THIS THEN!
Sebastian Thomas
Literally no one cares about your commie bullshit you shill reddit leaf. Fuck off.
Ryder Harris
Join me in my helo
Kayden King
>lets win over people >by insulting them
Haze yourself
Lucas Hill
Get out with your pleb political views
Jordan Morris
not to mention Capital clearly addresses the difference between economic and subjective value in first section
Gabriel Wilson
is this guy a good read on the subject?
I'm very interested in progressive and IDpolitics any recommendations?
Daniel Mitchell
Please leaf
Anthony Walker
Are you literally retarded? That means implementing communism isn't feasible and therefore isn't a valid ideology. It's like advocating fixing a problem with magic but when your solution turns to shit and doesn't work you just deflect with "well they weren't using real magic."
And I'm not /stormfront/ you stupid faggot I'm just not utterly delusional like you are
Benjamin King
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Nathaniel Morales
wow, you hypocrite, now show me again how you guys make wonderful arguments and bring facts to discussions not ad hominems?
Brayden Anderson
nah
Christopher Young
I bet you're below 6 feet tall, making you a manlet. And the only communists in Canada are all in Toronto and they pretty much do nothing but rant about how evil capitalism is on their macbooks. Fuck off faggot and never make one of these degenerate threads again.
Jacob Foster
You don't have a valid metric for why the burger should cost less other than it feels right.
Communists don't deal with facts, you lazy cunts deal w/ idealized fantasies. You are no better than weebs, except you kill more people. Fuck off to leftypol cunt.
Andrew Mitchell
>muh communism has never really worked
Yet Sup Forums continues to support ultranationalism, fascism, and white supremacy, which, guess what, has also never worked.
Levi Harris
>100978143
sage goes in all fields
Charles Anderson
thanks man if you have anything else related to ID politics please share
Jonathan Collins
It's not strange at all. We've been fortunate to avoid having to live under this cancer. But sadly, most of the bread and circus morons are ignorant as to what has been going on in the rest of the world.
Christopher Walker
But yet you still do it? Who is the real faggot?
Landon Turner
Meant for
Xavier Morales
for a light, fun start check out "A Pervert's guide to Ideology"...Zizek is a great cultural critic, satirist, and psychoanalyst...he's criticized for just criticizing and not providing a solution
There are so many different ways to look at it, but public ownership of the MOP and abolition of social class are the core ideas.
check out the pastebin for more stuff
Chase King
However, he isn't wrong. Yes, an idiot for believing in magic (a capitalist invention btw), but the statement that they weren't using real magic stands true. For example, if I say use this stick to catch fish, and you use a net instead, I am perfectly correct in saying that you didn't use the stick
Luis Brooks
What's up /left/
Alexander Wood
Where's the fault in my reasoning here, comrade?
Charles Flores
Sage
Ethan Bell
Loving Every Laugh
Austin Jones
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Dominic Sanders
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Jace Brooks
lel i sage u
Brandon Mitchell
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Jace Anderson
WEW LADDY
Jayden Turner
Nazism didnt work? h4h4h4h4h4
Nathaniel Harris
If every fucking instance of attempting to use a stick ends up in using some "corrupted form of using a net" that results in the death of millions why the fuck would you keep attempting to use a stick?
Lincoln Taylor
>facts >Sup Forums
Going to have to choose one, Sparky.
Hunter Johnson
kill yourself, commie faggot
Jace Lee
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Austin Perry
REEEEEEEEEEE
Nolan Wood
>leftypol raid >facts Communist faggots can't own up to the fact that they have killed more than any other ideology and that it's a failure everywhere. >inb4 REAL communism has never been tried.
