This thread is for the discussion of any and all left-wing political ideology, including, but not limited to, Marxism/Socialism/Communism/etc.
>Socialism is an economic and social system defined by social ownership of the means of production. (Workers democratically own and operate the places in which they work, as opposed to private power aka capitalism)
>The means of production are non-human inputs the create economic value, such as factories, workplaces, industrial machinery, etc. Socialists refer to the means of production as capital, or private property. Private property in the socialist context shouldn't be confused with personal property, such as your home, car, computer, and other possessions.
>In a capitalist society the means of production are owned and controlled privately, by those that can afford them (the capitalist aka those with capital). Production is carried out to benefit the capitalist (production for profit). Workers are paid a wage, and receive that amount regardless of how much value they produce.
>Communism is the highest developed stage of socialism wherein there is no state, no money, no class system. The means of production are owned by all and provide for everyone's needs.
I'm continuing this argument from the last thread because this needs to be said.
Oh so because it's not your special snowflake brand of left wing authoritarianism then that makes two things light years apart? You fucking idiots always stoop to this level of argumentation because you can't objectively argue against the facts that all communism tried has been a failure. All you have to do is no true Scotsman until the end of time. And you'll just say it's not real communism, and say that it didn't have x y and z that makes up this fucking pipe dream of yours. Your fucking pipe dreams, your "real" communism, is literally impossible to achieve because that would mean anarcho communism, but that is an oxymoron. Because you'd have to enforce communism making it impossible to institute without authoritarianism. Thus, all the failed states being 1984 dystopian police states. But no, you'all fucking stick your head in the sand and ignore everything I've just said. Commies are fucking brainwashed.
Sebastian White
communists, when will they learn.
Oliver Campbell
the same gibberish
Isaac Rivera
I wonder how many millions will have to die until you are all satisfied knowing communism wont work
Zachary Phillips
>Implying reactionary pro-monarchist females aren't the best
Dominic Foster
Say it with me:
DOSENT. FUCKING. WORK.
Wyatt Lewis
Try taking you indoctrinated head out of your fucking ass and try to understand you're retardation.
Xavier Nelson
post the whole thing monkey
Lucas Clark
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Mason Cox
>left general >posts ML red fascist bullshit kys, the real socialists over here
Jaxon Johnson
>me and my friends here wouldn't band together and systematically enslave all the betas
Josiah Clark
Daily reminder that communism has a 0% success rate.
And yes, fascism has worked before. Salazar's Portugal and the pseudo-fascist economies of the nordic countries prove that.
Also, waifus look much cuter in a Nazi uniform.
Easton Nguyen
Communism is death. HEY KGB WE KNOW YOU ARE TRYING TO TAKE OVER AMERICA AND [ALL]CHAN(s). YOU MAY HAVE THE LIBERALS FOOLED BUT THE REST OF AMERICA WILL NOT HAND THIS COUNTRY TO YOU. DON'T TREAD ON ME!
Ethan Johnson
many systems have collapsed. what makes socialist countries especially likely to collapse? Post evidence, I've never noticed this trend.
Wyatt Bailey
>USSR wasn't real socialism >but Stalin is my hero anyway
How long till you give up you filthy fucking commies.
You don't know shit.
We hate you.
And you can't achieve anything in your life or the whole history of your ideology.
Brayden Turner
tankies arn't communists, they are liberal LARPing scum
Gavin Lewis
/left/ general is my favourite thread on Sup Forums
Benjamin Jones
checking 8's also please count NatSoc Germany as a victory for fascism, Die Kommunistischen Juden poisoning the minds of the world's powers to fight AGAINST ONE COUNTRY is in no way a fault
Adrian Garcia
You have nothing in common with USSR you fucking faggot Stop ruining my country's name you jew-worshipping nigger-loving obese cuckold
Jonathan Campbell
>imprygin thisis sn armgument
Daniel Ortiz
Communism was created by and lead by the Jews. Also Communists have 0 blue collar support.
Ayden Peterson
Bureaucracy, ridiculous levels of centralization, lack of autonomy in it's populations, lack of freedom, lack of choice. Communist nations survive 2 generations at most.
Example: USSR, Eastern Block, Venezuela, African Commies, North Korea...
Brayden Ross
>pinko talking about indoctrination 40000 keks
Colton Sullivan
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Ethan Scott
THIS. fuck, why does no one mention this? >I know for a fact I'm a better worker than these other faggots >find out I make more than they do >oh.... good
Noah Morales
>implying commie girls aren't overweight angry bitter bulldykes, neon haired septum pierced tramp stamped self harm scar covered daddy issues messes, wrinkly old patchouli stank freebleed hippies, or mentally ill boys who think they're girls kek you can keep em
Michael Nelson
again how is yjos an argiment
Joshua Baker
>communism/socialism At first things work fine, because everyone works. Then one person decides to slack, because, hey I'll still get paid. More people do this. Less money is actually made. People start to receive less. Hard working people stop caring. No money is made. Anarchy.
Boohoo. Real socialism will never happen with a body ruling over people. The body will take extra for itself. Supposing body does not become corrupt, see above.
Parker Edwards
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James Murphy
kek
Jackson Rodriguez
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Jace Ortiz
> forced to enter the army > shit we randomly made up assigning to ussr
Robert Williams
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Tyler Bennett
How is that lame excuse for a sentence English?
Grayson Perry
>Communism is the highest developed stage of socialism wherein there is no state, no money, no class system. The means of production are owned by all and provide for everyone's needs.
>Communism only works when human nature no longer exists and no one wants to have a bigger slice of the pie, ever.
I truly understand communism now. Communism is the way of the future. For Communism to work, we must all become lolibots devoid of human nature. I want to become the lolibot, therefore, I am a communist.
Ayden Morales
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Grayson Cox
We politely ask you to return to your respective boards. Stop trying to push your ideologies onto other people. That is, first and foremost, why so many people loathe Communism to begin with.
Aiden Garcia
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David Morgan
There's a good reason the Japanese prefer fascist waifus or commie waifus.
Andrew Kelly
lol fuck you
Adam Kelly
Give me your home address
Gabriel Cooper
I can't believe literal unironic communists even exist.
It's literally even edgier and dumber that fascism, it's so funny.
Henry Sanchez
I don't even like making fun of commies anymore
You guys are too easy
The new meme is making fun of national socialists
Brody Watson
It is the truth - I mean, the faxt that it's a con game that kills people is also a large factor, but primarily it's the fact that most Communists are self-important, disrespectful, uncaring untrustworthy douche bags who can't suffer other people to succeed apart from their pet ideology.
Christopher Brooks
>communism only works when we all promise to be nice little robots
so never
Ian Martinez
Any of you want to take a crack at the arguments in that thread?
Luke Harris
L I T E R A L L Y STALIN
Isaac Nguyen
I feel like there are so many of them now... Especially with the whole bernie thing here...
Angel Green
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Aaron Johnson
>Greetings Comrades kys
Lincoln Powell
You do understand that this will not do anything,right?It will end up yust like in 2014,you will cry after Sup Forums gets on the track,yust like in 2014 it wasnt hurtfull shott bye tumbr it was yust ANOYING and you leftists never learn.
John Russell
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Zachary Watson
The funniest thing is that they embrace the whole Soviet propaganda aesthetic which just proves they have no idea what they even believe. I like to think actual communists would revile such an utterly terrible regime. 99% of """marxists""" are just simpletons attracted to what essentially amounts to Soviet advertising. The hypocrisy is palpable. It's like one or two shitposters.
Ian Richardson
The commies in that thread have already been put down. Never has someone put down any of my arguments in that thread.
Anthony Brown
Gorbachev is the Capitalist roader who destroyed the USSR, you idiot. Also if she were sent to the gulag that would be close to a 100% chance of rape by fellow convicts. Also even though it was guaranteed jobs, most of them sucked.
Levi Diaz
THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A THRAD TO DISCUSS MY IDEOLOGY NOT YOURS! GTFO
Samuel Nguyen
because anime pictures prove anything.... oh wait they don't
James Jenkins
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John Diaz
It was great so I wanted others to see and see if they had any counters. Someone should screenshot and drop them in leftypol anytime they make a thread about BTFO of us. Either way good show man keep up the good work I'm off to bed.
Michael Perez
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Nathaniel Campbell
your idealogy is shite m8
Jonathan White
We are discussing your ideology. Communism, Marxism, and Socialism are for tyrants. As well as general lefty ideas. IE they all suck.
Austin Scott
Right. I am not a Communist, and I will never be a Communist. For the record I am very centrist in just about all ways, and rather enjoy that fact.
BUT
I was on this board well before Obama was even a candidate for the Presidency. During the Bush years, Sup Forums was a major haven for leftists of all stripes - anarchists, socialists, communists, all that other jazz.
I mean, it was still virulently racist, but nevertheless the place was much more dominated by the Left than the Right, and by Liberals instead of Conservatives.
Basically, my point is that Sup Forums has always been a haven for those who are against whoever is in power. Bearing that in mind, within a year, Sup Forums will belong to you again, /left/.
Go forth and do glorious things with this knowledge, comrades.
Also, have a fun .gif
Brayden Nguyen
Thank you good sir.
Matthew James
revisionism is a cardinal sin of leftism please do not commit historical revisionism
Ian Rogers
They don't have any counters. Literally every time an argument starts it just devolves into them saying "not an argument" and "not real communism". When you ask them why "real communism" never seems to happen, they blame capitalists.
Adam Cruz
you realize that since capilitlism is the reason communism will never happen it IS a logical argument ot say real communism will never happen because fo capitlism
Sebastian Bailey
when the right gets triggered....
Charles Lopez
>the pseudo-fascist economies of the nordic countries prove that.
>Sup Forums is actually defending Sweden now
Did we switch timelines again?
Nathan Murphy
nah just a porky shill
Carson Garcia
Whether or not you think communism is a goofy idea, what part of life in the USSR would you have disagreed with?
There was nothing particularly degenerate about Soviet society besides high levels of political corruption. But where isn't that true?
Jacob Hernandez
They're talking about old Sweden pre-90's heavy emphasis on military and industry.
Joseph Wilson
Which wouldn't be a problem with me if they didn't insist on trying over and over, saying that it'll work this time for some reason.
Cooper Torres
> I never read any Marxist writing and am too stupid to know the difference between someone shining me on and the truth.
enjoy living your life as an idiot.
William Green
YOU SEE THIS TANK RIGHT HERE? IT RUNS ON THE MACERATED BITS OF YOUR DISGUSTING COMMUNIST WOMEN AND CHILDREN, FUCK YOU AND AND ALL COMMIES DRESSED AS SOCIAL-DEMOCRATS OR ANARCHISTS AND OTHER ANTIFA FAGGOTS, LIBERTY OR DEATH, EAT SHIT AND DIE
Brody Clark
police and fireman are socialistic institutions. so is public schools. so is the social security check your ass is going to cash when you turn 65. everyone pretty much agrees that some form of socialism is a good idea, its just people like you that get triggered by the word...
Justin Collins
> putting anime girls into leftist propaganda Okay, now i'm triggered. I hope your mother dies from aids and so do you and your entire family. Kill yourself. Sage.
Hunter Turner
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Leo Gray
complete socialism is even better. trust me
Dominic Mitchell
Sure, why not? Think about it, the Swedish prove exactly why fascism works. They have a pseudo-fascist economy which is very stable, the only problems they have are the migrant crisis and the threat of Russia, which just proves that they need the nationalism and authoritarianism of fascism as well.
Brayden Perez
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Ryan Jackson
New thread lads.
Matthew Martinez
who's this clown?
Noah Scott
indeed
Angel Campbell
hahhaagaaah
Dylan Ross
shut up satan
William Wilson
Ancaps are only slightly less retarded than commies.
Ryder Jones
What kind of retarded arguement is that? At least there are examples of said systems working as well as failing. Fucking commies, when will they learn.
Xavier Jones
that's Mio from k-on, we all know she'd choose prostitution before she chose anything else.
Elijah Stewart
>aligning yourself to the most exploded political/economic theory in history
It is the most repeated economic experiment in history, yet despite all the various forms that have been tried in various places by various groups of people it has systematically failed to produce the expected results. It simply does not work. And not only has its system failed to be of benefit to people, it has actively been a detriment to those who've been unfortunate enough to suffer under its rule--resulting, in every case, in economic, cultural, and spiritual decay, as well as being the direct cause of a greater number of deaths than any ideology in history. It boggles the mind how anyone can have such little understanding of economics, world history, and simple human nature, to think that any form of Marxism is even remotely possible.
Jayden Garcia
triggered
Dylan Myers
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Joshua Watson
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Michael Johnson
DOESN'T. FUCKING. WORK
Samuel Rivera
are communism and incest intrinsically related
Gabriel Stewart
nice gets dudes >a >fucking >LEAF
Elijah Fisher
Oh we're discussing?
Communism is not feasible based purely on human nature.
If you disagree, you're a deluded fuck. If you agree, you are correct.
