Protestant

Okay so I'm having a very hard fucking time with this.

>All you need to do is accept and believe in Jesus

So I could murder and commit all sorts of shit acts and be forgiven if I accept Jesus when I'm on my deathbed?

Seems a little bit unfair to me.

It's not about fair, goy

Now follow this nice religion we've made for you. It teaches you to be meek and submissive

Is this really what being a protestant is about ? Or is this just bait ?

>Be "Reborn" if you wern't a Christian
>Get to go to heaven just because you believe in Jesus

>So I could murder and commit all sorts of shit acts and be forgiven if I accept Jesus when I'm on my deathbed?

If you genuine apologize for all of your sins, swear to God you'll turn from sin with the short time you have left, and accept Christ as your savior, yes, that is all he asks.

It's not just a cheap cop-out though: you actually need to recognize and regret your sins.

That's just a bit strange though.

If someone who is literally evil on earth, pizza and all sorts is (((sorry))) for his sins and becomes a born again Christian he is allowed into the kingdom of god?

If you would actually like answers, don't ask Sup Forums, go get the information straight from the source. Read the Gospel of Matthew, specifically Christ's parables about the kingdom of heaven.

It's made up, feel good, bullshit. Religion has its roots in comforting people dealing with grief from dead loved ones

This

The 'well I'll say sorry on my death bed' meme is for Hitchens-tier (dead one) logic.

Idea that you can suddenly choose to be ardently sorry for something is evidently nonsense. Genuine belief must precede genuine repentance, and that's not something you fake

yes. through a genuine repentance of sin and acceptance of Christ, even the most evil person could go to heaven.

James 2:14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[d] works, and I will show you my faith by my[e] works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[f] 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[g] And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

The meek shall inherit the earth

But then why did the pope say atheists can be saved?

I just don't understand.

The way I thought of it is you must live a godly, good life in order to reach heaven.

Why the fuck does some 86 year old man a few weeks before he dies get to (((repent))) his legit evil sins (Murder, rape, etc) and go straight to heaven?

What punishment is there for him? Fuck all.

No. You need to actually regret it and truly want forgiveness. You can't just go commit whatever sin you want and plan to ask for forgiveness after.

If one is truly Reborn then they will regret every sin they commit. Following Jesus does not stop at repenting though, one must study the Word and understand the Lord as much as possible. If you love Him you will want to make Him happy. That is not to say you will never sin again, no, even the saints sinned after they took up their cross. The battle never stops until the day of judgement.

That's part of the point. Religion and good acts often are accomplished for selfish, personal reasons. The Jews in Jesus time demonstrated this well. What Jesus taught was outward actions are inconsequential in light of true motives.

He had political assassins (Simon the zealot), mob men (Matthew the tax collector) and prostitutes among others as his followers.

How does someone not know this by now?

that's how the pros do it

>kike on a stick

What about the victims of those cuntish people?

The mothers and fathers of those who have had their children taken from them? What salvation do they get?

If for instance. Someone is murdered, the murderer on his deathbed regrets it and says sorry, boom heaven.

The person who was murdered was not a Christian, he is condemned to hell for all eternity because his life was taken before he could see the light?

Protkeks Crack me up
>as you can see right here, Catholicism and Orthodoxy are Satanic, I know this because the book they compiled says so

(((It's))) not supposed to make sense to Europeans, it's a foreign mythology.

>So I could murder and commit all sorts of shit acts and be forgiven if I accept Jesus when I'm on my deathbed?
you have to mean it in your heart you cant just ''buy the insurace'' right before dying

>What is purgatory?

Also, God doesn't WANT to punish people. He wants to grant paradise to those that love him. If their tears & repentance are truly out of love, then in that second, they may love God more than a 'godly' man has in his entire life. But you're downplaying the importance of genuine guilt and repentance

Also, atheists CAN be saved, but not if they remain atheists. Pope said all were redeemed by the death of Christ, but all do not attain salvation

But Protestants don't ot believe in purgatory, Catholics do yes.

You have to genuinely be sorry for your actions. The sort of person who would go out and commit sins knowing because they thought they could be forgiven is probably not the sort of person who would actually feel guilty about what they have done.

You have been misinformed my friend. It's not about living a Godly life. None of us are worthy to enter the Kingdom of heaven. From the best of us to the worst of us we are all sinners. If God judged us like he ought to, we would all be turned away from entering.

It's like this. A perfect man without sin, offered himself up so that sins may be forgiven. Yours and mine. He died for the whole world so that we all may call ourselves children of God.

Now, when God looks at us he sees the righteousness of Jesus Christ on the cross in us. We are cleansed by his GRACE and it is the GRACE of God through Jesus Christ that get's us into heaven.

You have to accept Jesus into your life as your personal savior. We all sin. His sacrifice on the cross cleansed you of your past AND FUTURE sins by his GRACE. You are righteous in the sight of God because of Him. Sin or no sin.

If you make a mistake, admit it...repent and move on. Thank God for the GRACE and the forgiveness that he bought you by giving his life for you. And when you die you will be saved and escorted by Him into paradise.

Just my 2¢

Thank you for this

Oh you're looking for reasons to be a protestant?

There aren't any.

>Catholic compiled the Old Testament
Wew lad!

You've already committed murder, thousands of times.

You have already committed shit acts, thousands of times.

You were forgiven of all of them before you were born.

You really need to find out what's really going on.

Yup.

Of course.

The point is actual repentance. If you do what you just did you practically ain't forgiven at all as you do not feel remorse for what you had done and wish to change.

But Sola Fide as in that which is intended and practiced by Calvinists does in fact goes further than this as all the previous evil acts are in fact of God's own plan and use of you before the foundation of the world to glorify him.

James is not talking about faith in the risen Christ Jesus, just "faith".

Faith in allah will not produce the works of God.

Why people push James, the idiot half brother of Jesus who was never a believer until after the resurrection, and never an apostle, over Paul, the world's greatest apostle, is a mystery to me.

I like this. please give me more information that shows Christianity being compatible with reincarnation and cyclical existence. I would like to have a belief compatible with both, yet Catholics and Protestants alike come together to dump on me at the concept that goes outside the heaven/hell paradigm

The pope is going to hell and wants as many people to join him as possible.

Catholics are not Christians. They're Catholics.

Salvation is open to all who believe.

Everyone gets shit on.

Yes, they clearly are. Satan is a huge religion fan.

>The person who was murdered was not a Christian, he is condemned to hell for all eternity because his life was taken before he could see the light?

If they accept Jesus as their lord and savior in their heart, and ask to be forgiven of their sins, then yes, they will go to heaven.

Keep in mind that the sin doesn't matter. Your question could be "what if he stole something 10 years ago from a man" and the answer would be no different.

The man who was killed, did he know about God/Jesus before? Did he hear the word, yet did nothing to accept Jesus? Then he rejected him.

Is it the mans fault that he was murdered? No. Is it the mans fault he did not accept Jesus when he had the chance? Yes. Who else is to blame but himself?

I only really asked Jesus to save me a year ago. If I had died before that, It's likely I would not go to heaven. But, that was completely my fault. I've heard about Jesus's teachings before, but I never cared enough to follow him.

so it's opting for reincarnation if you choose to not go the Jesus route?

is it ever beneficial / right to go for the rebirth? or is it always a negative thing or meant to be a little worse each time you're reborn? or does it get better?

That's because purgatory doesn't exist.

They did though. Protestant bibles have less OT books in them because the jews told them "those are bad for you goy"

sins like murder lose their context as 'mortal sins' when you introduce the reincarnation paradigm. still bad, but not as dire and mortal and 'you snuffed someone out forever!' as we presently believe. you're just choosing to alter someone's course without their consent. and this is very bad to do.

Bullshit. Salvation has nothing to do with being sorry for your sins. The wages of sin is death, not having to say "sorry".

This is God's own truth.

"being sorry" doesn't just mean saying the word in whatever language you know. it means actually believing you're sorry and wish you hadn't done what you've done. it is an emotional experience you cannot fake before the Lord.

Everything that happens is meant to. There is a Book of Life with names pre-written. As humans we can not fathom the thought processes (another human comparison) of the Lord. To your question, though, as a Christian one must help spread the Gospel to save as many people as possible knowing that many people will be lost. After all, in Noah's days the entire world was killed off because it was filled to the top with wickedness. At a first glance one will see this as a crime on humanity, but no one has the big picture such as the Lord. His judgement is righteous and perfect.

ITT: white people fighting over the interpretation of Jewish mythology.

Stay cucked, Christcucks.

>James is not talking about faith in the risen Christ Jesus, just "faith".
prottie damage control really cracks me up

Gaining heaven is a mighty big incentive, as is avoiding hellfire.

It's completely incompatible.

As the bible says, kind begets kind, always, and it is appointed for a man once to die, and then the judgment.

>believing in a book of fairy tales

Fedora memes are not an argument :^)

good post

Why don't you go to a priest to ask those questions? They are there exactly for this purpose, among others.
They are too long to explain one by one

All scripture is inspired by God.

There are no books that were inspired by God that are not in the 66 books of the holy bible.

This entails the Calvinistic logic of sola fide. Luther follows this but in practice he is more Augustinian despite denying free will and works of merit as you are still gonna have to repent. In fact to Luther Justification happens whenever repentance does which means he is actually in agreement with Catholicism on the issue of Justification and Sanctification as he does not see justification as this one time thing contra Calvin.

Hence Lutherans need not apply here but Calvinists and OSAS Evangelicals which both have to agree that God does not even grant free will at all but instead predestined all creatures to either salvation and damnation.

This is because one can accept Christ but then fall away which isn't the person's own doing but that he was never saved in the first place.

>The way I thought of it is you must live a godly, good life in order to reach heaven.

belief in God is no longer believed to be necessary when it comes to 'being a godly person'. you can do God's will without knowing that you and He have the same idea in mind. I think atheists are those who God is able to trust on autopilot, for the most part.

It's obvious. You say you have "faith"?

Well, every man has faith.

What is your faith in? What is the object of your faith?

If the object of your faith is the risen Christ Jesus, I expect to see the things of God flow through you.

>To your question, though, as a Christian one must help spread the Gospel to save as many people as possible knowing that many people will be lost.

This makes so much sense.

But do people of the church REALLY care about spreading the gospel to save you?

This.
Pretty sure Mary made up some of this shit to keep Joseph in blissful ignorance about how he was cucked by some nigger from the slave-market.

Christianity is the manifestation of the whole "my wife's son" deal.

fuck off satan

>66 books of the bible
>66 books
>66
hey rabbi, watcha doing?

>Pope said all were redeemed by the death of Christ, but all do not attain salvation

what does this mean? what would have happened prior to Christ's death to those who were godly and those who were not?

This means Fatalism as whatever one does is already predetermined and planned by God himself

This means all actions are meaningless as they are not worthy of praise and blame. None are responsible for them but God who dangles them on a string

If you truly understand jesus teachings then you would never do wrong to others or yourself, you can be forgiven for everything once you do but if you are down the rabbit hole so deep that you commit murder it's taking you quite a few lifetimes to comprehend absolution.

Unfortunately most of the churches today are being decieved. Especially the popular mega-churches. But before we can criticize others we must always criticize ourselves first.

>Christianity is the manifestation of the whole "my wife's son" deal.

"While you were away Yusef, God impregnated me and gave me a child, it's a miracle." I promise you I didn't cheat, it's God's son.

that's wrong though. James is extremely clear about what he means, but go on and keep following false doctrines of men, your loss

"Repent" means to change your mind. Specifically, as all men are born into the world where "use your knowledge of good and evil to be like God" is the underlying gospel, the gospel of satan, to repent is to change your mind.

And in changing your mind, to agree with God that you are indeed imperfect and in need of a savior, and that nothing you do on your own will ever merit entrance into heaven.

As Paul writes in Romans, confession with the mouth that Jesus is Lord, and belief in the heart God raised him from the dead, are the requirements to become a Christian.

Nothing about feeling sorry about your sins; that comes naturally from the conviction by the Holy Spirit, and can lead to salvation by showing that you now know you are imperfect, God is perfect, and to live with God one must become perfect.

And that is only possible through propitiation; by having Jesus' righteousness imputed to us.

How do Christians respond to the cuck argument though? I mean seriously it could be a possibility.

WRONG

All you need is unconditional love for all of creation. You won't do any of those terrible things if you are operating from a position of unconditional love anyway. If you do those thing, you are not operating with unconditional love in your heart, and you are doing it wrong, and you will fail. Peace be with you.

False. Just because actions are pre-destined it does not make them meaningless

Joseph didn't believe her at first. It took an angel appearing to him and confirming her story for him to accept that was what really happened. So you're wrong

He isn't consistent as he tells us we can choose but his doctrine entails that we cannot because one can choose and fall away but to him it means you are just never saved or had faith to begin with

...

James is not clear at all, as he is talking about worldly things, not salvation.

If a man is hungry, does saying "be full" suffice, or should you give the man food?

That's where James is, and that's where all unsaved works based cults are. That's where you are. Work your way into heaven, because what Jesus did doesn't suffice.

Nothing sexual happened. Mary consented to bear the messiah. Joseph was going to divorce her, but not have her stoned to death. A visit from Gabriel changed his mind.

>Okay so I'm having a very hard fucking time with this.

Probably just your low IQ and weak imagination at work.

God is all-powerful, this is the point you're missing

You're looking at God from the perspective of a man, who wants to 'go to heaven'

God is looking at it from the perspective of your health and happiness, and he fully intends to succeed at his goal

This is not even a major part of my argument. Either way, what Paul says does not even deny repentance because such an act naturally entails a change of mind.

Of course your position is inconsistent as you claim one to be able to choose and change his mind. Yet if they do so twice, they are never really saved to begin with.

Such means that you are preaching fatalism.

It does, because whatever one does will not change anything. They are not even the authors of such to begin with

>Joseph didn't believe her at first. It took an angel appearing to him and confirming her story for him to accept that was what really happened. So you're wrong

Believes in the literal truth of Jewish mythology

>not cucked

the theological understanding of faith + works has been explained time and time again. Your shitty strawman isn't a good representation of it, and if you still haven't grasped it and cling to what your high school teacher and part-time pastor next to a laundromat told you to believe, it's your own fault. I have no more patience for people who wallow in ignorance and satanic deception

>half brother of Jesus

Mary remained ever virgin you heretic

It's more than just saying "I believe in Jesus!" as you die.

To "accept" in this concept means to fully embrace what he stands for and what his message is.

If you live a life of crime and murder, but on your deathbed fully accept that what you did was sinful and deeply regret it for the pain your caused others then you can still make your way into heaven.

And honestly, that's the way it should be. We believe in a God who is willing to take back lost sheep. You would have to sincerely take Jesus into your heart, not just say you believe in him with your lips.

this much on that spectrum kek

>Seems a little bit unfair to me

The whole concept of forgiveness is unfair. God's grace is better than we deserve, but he grants forgiveness anyway. If we wanted to be real sticklers about fairness we'd all go to Hell.

>So I could murder and commit all sorts of shit acts and be forgiven if I accept Jesus when I'm on my deathbed?
You either believe in Him or you don't. If you don't, you are condemned already. If you do, then why would you want to go murdering? It will displease God, and you will be punished for it.

A murderer could be on their death bed and then realize the truth, and become saved. At that point, no one really has the right to judge them for their past sins. That person who is then saved will of course look back at all the terrible things they did in horror, and regret them. They might even want to give to their victims or families, to make up for it.

How many times have you heard a Christian say they are going to go around murdering people because it's OK since they are saved?

John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Luke 6:37
Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven

In this age, salvation, the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, is immediate and irreversible, a permanent transformation from a spiritually dead human being to a spiritually alive new creation in Christ Jesus.

Being sorry about your sins demonstrates that you have a conscience, which God gave every man. Atheists can feel bad about their sins, without ever acknowledging that there is a God.

And even the devil knows there is a God, one God, and trembles knowing his fate involves an eternity in a lake of fire.

We also know that this plan to your logic involves him predestining the fates of all to salvation and damnation

All that happened is part of his plan. Not because he foresaw it but because he intends it

So what are the major differences between Catholics and Protestants?

Do they believe one will go to heaven while the other (((eternal))) hell?

>Changing your mind when a supernatural being appears in front of you and confirms the story means being a cuck now
*tips fedora*

How about you start believing in the truth. How about that.

Life isn't fair, kid

Your salvation (or lack thereof) was predetermined, your actions won't change shit. No need to worry yourself over it

Or...
or:
Jospeh finds out he's cucked.
He doesn't want his friends or family to know, so he makes up the angel story.

And then ask yourself: Which is more likely?
That the the laws of nature was temporarily suspended, allowing for the existence of winged people which managed to fly some 1900 years before the next the next time humans managed to get airborne
Or
That some cucked guy made up a lie?

Yes, it's your cult telling you that you must behave a certain way, and that christian liberty does not exist.

It is your cult's way of keeping you enslaved.

You can do so, to your detriment, and end up in hellfire with them, if you choose.

I choose differently.

That is contrary to the bible, and therefore false.

But we're talking about the afterlife

If your highest and best identity is a Catholic, you are going to hell, yes. You joined a cult that never taught you how to be saved, how to know you're saved, or how to save someone else.

>How about you start believing in the truth. How about that.

I do believe in the truth and the truth doesn't come from a book of foreign desert myths.

>sola scriptura

Not even once. James was the son of Joseph through a previous marriage.