Tfw when Sup Forums has no logical argument against Communism

>tfw when Sup Forums has no logical argument against Communism

>tfw when Sup Forums is being raided by Communist rats with nothing better to do

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He asked for logical arguments, not racism.

Communism has the needing of a strong and intelligent leader.
Stalin died with the Soviet Union and Cuba died with Che Guevara.

Communism abhors logic. Logic is critical thought. Communism requires absolute obedience of thought which humans are entirely incapable of.

It tried and failed.
It will only be a possibility with robots and UBI, humans in nature cant lower themselves to all be equal, you cant supress man like that without expecting a revolt

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Except the fact that taking the property of people to suit the "needs of the people" is illogical and immoral. Nobody defines what the needs of an individual are except for said individual.

kys

>pointing out religion of the rebels
>RACISTRACISTRACISTRACIST
Fucking kys

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tfw suck a dick cunt

that's a cunt made of dicks

fuck off an' suck it

To the gulag with you classcucks.

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Logical argument: If something is run by kikes and owned by kikes, than it's lead to Terror and Genocide like Communism.

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Fixed that for you

mfw stalin goulags the word cyka

History is our logical argument against Communism.

How many lives does this ideology need to destroy before people give it up?

Fixed that for you

so much for your communism,its looking more like cuckunism

The USSR, China under Mao, Khmer Rouge
>inb4 not real socialism

To the shed with you, classy cuck.

All your commie masters (lenin, stalin, Trotsky) whose desiccated cocks you just love to suckle headed an oppressive, unworkable ideology that murdered millions and killed an order of magnitude more out of sheer incompetence

Literally not even communist juggernauts couldn't build muh moneyless utopia, even china, the shining star of goymmunism, has reverted to capitalism

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>history

>implying what you've heard about communism was accurate or not

Sorry bud but you guys are the ones who have no logical arguments. Shitty memes and old slogans from your fat, freemason-jew prophet who never worked a day in his life are not arguments.

You will never establish a foothold on Sup Forums because what unites us is a hatred of exactly the type of bullshit we're forced to see every day that you decided would be a good idea to push here.

My family escaped from communism. It's a lot shittier than your mom's basement, even as a party member.

>race and religion are the same thing
>has woP***** in ID

Fucking commies.
My grandfather killed some of your kind during war (and a little after it). Good times.

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fuck off ballmer

Stop responding and bumping the commie reddit neckbeard shill threads you mongoloids

its not it has never been tried the obyous problem with comunism is humans and the way we think comunism leads to all powerfull genoccidal maniacs thats what ur pic shows

>The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his “natural superiors”, and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous “cash payment”. It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervour, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom — Free Trade. In one word, for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation.
What exactly is wrong with this statement?

Why don't you tell us about what a colossal failure you are at life and we try to help you improve yourself so that you won't feel justified in stealing the wealth of others.

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To be upfront, I know very little about Communism, so here is a simple question.

In a Communist utopia, what is the incentive to do dangerous jobs? The only reason I'm a linemen is the incentive of cash and being able to support my family. The risk of getting electrocuted / falling is only outweighed by profit and sustainable living.

>when OP is wrong an gay.

Not true.

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>grain-hoarding kulaks
COMMUNISTS L I T E R A L L Y BLAME PEASANTS FOR THEIR OWN STARVATION

THEY L I T E R A L L Y BUY INTO STALIN REGIME PROPAGANDA

I like private ownership, so communism isn't for me.

ur thinking like a human that dosent work in comunism the idea is that you want to help so you do it and dont get respected because we should all want to do whatever we can not for reward but because it needs doing

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Not an argument

Human nature is the best argument against communism.

>commies will try to dismiss it and argue human nature doesn't exist

You do this because you know I am right.

>revisionist history*
FTFY

>hahah totally no arugments, im not ignoring facts at all

MY ideology is mostly made up of successful examples so I don't have to try to claim that it was never tried

Not an argument.

Ooh~
A rare communist Pepe
*saves*

That's not a real communism

Not an argument

Pipi myself

The 200 million people who died as a result of communism in the last century, probably disagree.

Calling Sanders a Communist is like calling Trotsky a fanatic capitalist, it's just not true, get your shit together kiddo.

Freedom is valuable, and a communistic state of affairs is one in which freedom is necessarily being assaulted.

Keep to yourself you Borg freak - real humans aren't interested.

reminder

I understand, but the idea of doing a job with a higher risk of death will always give something more. Whether it's cash or respect. (i.e. thanks for doing the dirty work so we don't have to!)

It seems like even in the best case for Communism, individuals who do dangerous work will get more praise. So it appears that it's just trading cash incentive for honor incentive.

That figure is total bullshit.

>When pinko LARP'ers are so cucked beyond belief that they think any of these are '''''good''''' examples

Kys

Kill yourself subhuman ugly slavnigger cuck

>tfw when leftypol is literally trying its hardest but fails every time

>everyone is lying about communism
>pay no attention to the Cubans celebrating the death of Castro. They couldn't possibly understand what Communism can do to a country.

Oh well. Looks like it's gotta be tried at least once more.

Only nice part is all the leftist cucks pushing their ideology don't understand they'll be the first against wall when Cletus and Tyrone start their workers revolution.

Daily reminder

>say Sup Forums has no logical argument against Communism
>decide if an argument is logical or not based on how much it blows you and your retarded ideology the fuck out
truly ebin gommunist :DDDDDD

but that wouldnt be comunism bro ^^ thats why it dosent work because we are human

This, communism can only work in hivemind, like borgs, cybermens, stroggs etc...

>i don't think a violent purge of the upper & middle classes is a good or desirable thing

>i don't want to see my family die in a deadly and protracted class war

>i don't want to live in an authoritarian state

for these reasons, i will gladly kill any commie scum i see :^) goodnight reds.

Is this really the admin of lefty/pol/?

>i-its not real communism

A LITERAL MEME COMING TO LIFE

>Implying that there is a logical argument for communism

>HE POSTED IT AGAIN
HE LITERALLY POSTED IT AGAIN FUCKING
Z A P A T I S T A S
COMMIES LITERALLY HAVE TO DRAG UP DIRT FARMERS THAT COSPLAY AS REVOLUTIONARIES AS AN EXAMPLE OF A WORKING SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT

Argument continued from last thread

>What are hoarders?

Hoarders exist to hoard shit. Be it a social, economic or psychological reason, hoarders still hoard shit.

Do you seriously not understand the concept of greed? Are you really that naive?

>Communism is how societies functioned before the establishment of a central state

No, people bartered and traded things they had for better things. For example, it was typical for people to trade ten Chickens for a cow, or five jugs of goat milk or cheese for some grain.

People did not share their resources, and those that did tended to collapse rapidly. For example, the early communes of the United States on Plimith Rock and James Town almost failed to survive their first winters simply because everyone 'shared' their resources.

Eventually, there had to be a new doctrine installed, "If you did not work, you did not eat," as otherwise people would do nothing and still eat.

> communism isn't centrally planned
Then how will the resources be shared as a commune? People are not going to willingly give away their possessions simply because they are not using them.

>There is no collecting any "wealth" when the system of capital is eliminated

Oh, so it's a bartering system? Or, are you stating that every object has equal worth, no matter how rare they may or not be? LOL this might work in a post - scarcity world, but until that point, it will not.

>What you are confusing with "communism" is actually "state capitalism" or "vanguard regime"

No true scottsman fallacies up the ass, huh

>The first recorde usage of the term "libertarian" was by a French communist Joseph Déjacque used to describe himself in 1861, etc

This does not change a fucking thing that I have said. Unless people are forced to hand out their shit, they never will. People will still claim land for themselves, and there would be nothing you could do to stop them, unless the system was not truly liberterian

new fag who owns the banks f the world who created money and stole all the gold were do you think the debt of evey country is owed ur a NEWFAG

Not an argument.

You may have seen this image at one point in time.

Look at it and tell me which logical fallacy you succumbed to.

Who needs an argument against pure faggotry? Get the fuck out of here with that shit.

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ALSO

Communists literally cannot come up with an argument against this

what's wrong with communism?
Well, let's see -

-lack of way for public to restrain the government
-A leader can be elected, and end up staying in power for life.
-Dissenting opinions tend to result in people being jailed/killed in favor of those in power remaining there, resulting in major social issues never being resolved
-Should the person in power be an ideolog, major changes will take place simply because the leader thinks they know best. Were an SJW to some how lay claim to such power, then im sure we can all imagine what will happen next
-Extreme government corruption as the people of the upper class/political party scramble to become the next political leader upon the current one's death

The "ideal Communist system" puts way too much faith in the government. It might work for a little while if the first leader is absolutely obsessed with their ideals, though until the next leader comes into play either by assassinating the current one, usurping it, or simply inheriting it, their rule may absolutely destroy the 'ideal communist system,' in the effort to fight the latest invisible threat from 'x' country abroad.

Of course all of the gold and valuable resources must be taken from everyone's homes as otherwise how would the war be payed for? The populace is somehow armed in an authoritarian regime? Ha, we need weapons to arm our armies! give us all your guns, etc.

By the time anyone realizes the propaganda is bullshit, the country would have already turned into soviet russia.

Maybe some people don't like their country being subverted by a foreign ethnic group under false pretenses; while forcibly-implementing a shitty economic system.

>The bourgeoisie has through its exploitation of the world market given a cosmopolitan character to production and consumption in every country. To the great chagrin of Reactionists, it has drawn from under the feet of industry the national ground on which it stood. All old-established national industries have been destroyed or are daily being destroyed. They are dislodged by new industries, whose introduction becomes a life and death question for all civilised nations, by industries that no longer work up indigenous raw material, but raw material drawn from the remotest zones; industries whose products are consumed, not only at home, but in every quarter of the globe. In place of the old wants, satisfied by the production of the country, we find new wants, requiring for their satisfaction the products of distant lands and climes. In place of the old local and national seclusion and self-sufficiency, we have intercourse in every direction, universal inter-dependence of nations. And as in material, so also in intellectual production. The intellectual creations of individual nations become common property. National one-sidedness and narrow-mindedness become more and more impossible, and from the numerous national and local literatures, there arises a world literature.
What exactly is wrong with this statement?

>I SWEAR TO MARX IT'LL WORK THIS TIME

>le ebin redneck and nigger revolution meme
epik XD
Also, even many Cuban diaspora people are having mixed feelings about Castro's passing. You just don't hear much about it because it goes against the US narrative.

Not an argument.

Because you can't argue with cultists. Why waste the efforts on you mouth breathing neets?

Why do commies feel entitled to the wealth of others?

Income inequality is not the result of someone taking advantage of someone else. It's the result of genetic differences in human populations.

Private property is a natural human right.

No one wants to work without real reward. Anything like "for the good of the people" is a terrible motivator.

Communism is state worship, which requires removal, by force, of any existing religion for "successful implementation" to take place. Which leads to genocide in the name of ideology.

There is no such thing as utopia. Utopia cannot exist in an imperfect world.

get the fuck out of this country you freedom hating commie
go move to Venezuela where they're eating trash to survive

For u

Only if you're willing to ignore the many, many, many, many times it failed.

>-lack of way for public to restrain the government
>-A leader can be elected, and end up staying in power for life.
>-Dissenting opinions tend to result in people being jailed/killed in favor of those in power remaining there, resulting in major social issues never being resolved
>-Should the person in power be an ideolog, major changes will take place simply because the leader thinks they know best. Were an SJW to some how lay claim to such power, then im sure we can all imagine what will happen next
>-Extreme government corruption as the people of the upper class/political party scramble to become the next political leader upon the current one's death
Government does not exist in a communist society. Nobody is "in power." That's the whole point, that power in all its forms restrains personal freedom.

>mfw /leftypol/ used to ridicule retards like unruhe but now they're getting desperate for attention and now they're suckling at his teat

communism is just a code word for complete state control, universal serfdom for all citizens outside of the bureaucracy, and fear of arrest being the primary motivation of any citizen to labor

Pay no mind to the people that died or risked their lives to flee communism. Fucking cucks I swear.

And?

Hitler built the autobahn.

Are you going to argue he wasn't a Brutal dictator?

Shitty ideology.
Countless tries of implementation.
Always fails.

What is their even to argue? It's dead.

Pretty sure you're thinking of communism, lad.

You either have embarassing shitholes like North Korea or Venezuela, or you have countries that became mixed economies and enjoyed some modicum of success (eg china)

> Let me just ignore the practical history of the executed versions of my cuck tier ideology