>It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God. (Mark 10:25 ESV)
How do you reconcile this with capitalism christcucks? Also
>"No servant can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money" (Luke 16:13 ESV)
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They don't they just ignore the retarded parts, unlike the Muslims.
>On second thought, the whole bible is retarded as fuck. But at least they don't kill too many nonbelievers.
>christcucks
why do christian people hold such a high respect for the jews when the jews are the ones who murdered the son of God
The verse is referring to the interior disposition of the heart and it serves as a warning against being so satisfied with the material world that don't honor your obligations to god and strive for the next. It is not saying that rich men can't be holy or that you need to be poor in order to get to heaven because that would be ridiculous.
But if the self is focused on the acquisition of wealth as opposed to the glorification of god, then he is serving wealth and not god
Also
>“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:3 ESV)
Not necessarily, no. I could be brilliant at playing the stock market and become the richest man in the world. That says nothing to my level of holiness or how likely I will be to get to heaven because in itself is not a sin and neither is acquiring it.
This is in the same vein as the Mark 10 verse. The poor are less likely to satisfied with the material world and they actually have an easier time focusing on being holy and getting to heaven. This is why they're blessed. Having a lack of money itself is not a virtue.
>christcucks
Will see who's the "cuck" when you'll burn in hell.
But if you loved god to the fullest extent and he was truly first in your life then you would give up your wealth. If you he was not, you would hold on to it because the wealth is first
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Because we are the spiritual descendants of jews.
Thatd be like hating your grandfather because your dad beats you. Talmudic judaism is evil, but the jewish prophets are v holy.
So you mean to say that if a man holds on to his money this denotes no material qualms within the man? That is to say, the desire to hold on to material gains does not reflect a materialist disposition that places material before god?
Christians are called to be charitable but being charitable does not mean they must give up all their money. Being charitable does not even have to be a matter of money.
>poor in spirit
important to understand, poor people are in a better position to be spiritual due to a mixture of vulnerability and low attachment to material goods.
do not forget the entire tale of Solomon, or the fact that Job was rewarded with material and familial happiness for his steadfast love of god.
interpreting verses in isolation is a first class ticket to proving that you are retarded.
Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” (Matthew 19:21 ESV)
It could mean that, but it could also not mean that. This is why there's not blanket ban on Christians having wealth, because being wealthy is not inherently sinful. The interior disposition of the heart is for god to decide.
Alright, so it is, then, ambiguous whether a man's attachment to material goods makes him materialistic or not.
>god I have all this shit but trust me you're still first
okay.
He was speaking to a disciple. There are many cases where following this exact advice would in fact be sinful, like if you had a family at home that relies on to care for them. It would in fact be very sinful for you to give away all of your possessions in this situation. Context is very important.
that's your interpretation
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Alright, so what about this then
Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? 27 And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life?[a] 28 And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin, 29 yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? 31 Therefore do not be anxious, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you. (Matthew 6:25-34 ESV)
Because I mean it looks like Jesus is very consistent on this issue.
Goody good, love ‘em all up, tolerant, pacifistic """""christians""""" who profess all the century old heresies emanating from the “whited sepulchres” of theological cemeteries are nothing but blind ditch dwellers who have dragged the whole world into the hellish abyss of these present times. They violate the word of God from Genesis to Revelation in order to be politically correct and socially acceptable. Do not mistake their drivel for the word of God.
>Because we are the spiritual descendants of jews.
No, we are not. Jew in the Bible is a transliteration from judean. The jews ascribed this term to themselves to deceive the world of who really is God's chosen people.
The """jews""" are not the true Israelites. They are imposters who replaced the Israelites after they were taken into the Assyrian and Babylonian
captivity. That's why they didn't recognize Jesus as the Messiah, and why he called Satan their father. Israel was not to retain their name
according to bible prophecy.
The Jews are Edomites. It's why they are so soulless and anti-everything that is good. Anti-nature, anti-family, anti-community, anti-normal
sex, anti-white, anti-God.
*i can't stop
>christcucks
We'll see who's the "cuck" when you'll burn in hell.
If I had to sum it up in one sentence I would say it means to just trust in god. What do you think Jesus is trying to say here?
What part is difficult to understand? Rich people are often full of pride and fool themselves into believing in themselves instead of believing in God. A dose of adversity in your life can go a long way toward making you more religious, in general.
don't want too much, don't work too hard. God will provide.
>But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness
As in
Seek god first, seek all else (including wealth) second
Im gonna research this cuz its cool. Thanks! But still, you get my meaning.
Christians share many holy figures and events with judaism.
I think you're the ridiculous one. Work on your reading comprehension.
Matthew 19:21
20“All these I have kept,” said the young man. “What do I still lack?” 21Jesus told him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.” 22When the young man heard this, he went away in sorrow, because he had great wealth.…
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So where do you get this idea that wealth is incompatible with holiness? I assume you were quoting this in an attempt to reinforce that point.
I answered this one here Context is very important.
Oh yea that's right. Jesus came for ECONOMIC REASONS not to offer the only true path to salvation. I have heard many leftists try this moronic and lazy trick. Leftists have these secret bible studies they do that no one knows about.
Well according to these fags he was only referring to this one guy so it's too brash to say that anyone else should do that.
(just forget about all the similar and near identical shit jesus said to he actually meant something different)
Post right above yours.
Here is the bibles perspective on the poor from a more political social standpoint.
Isaiah 11:6
The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
Isaiah 65:25
The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.
Both of these passages deal with the kingdom age on the earth after the Lord Jesus Christ returns to reign on the earth as King of kings. The ferocious beasts (like the lion) will live peaceably with the gentle animals (like the lamb). Certainly, this will be a literal reality on the earth. However, this picture is also symbolic of the peace that will pervade the entire earth. When preachers speak of the lion and the lamb lying down together, they are referring to the time of peace when Jesus will reign as King over the earth.
It makes a clear distinction between those in power and those without and their role, but nonetheless discusses peaceful relations. Humanitarianism is a good attempt but it failed because it worships death and the dissolution of identity. Something that is incompatible with the bible and the image of the future of peace of god that respects and acknowledges differences. Communism is just an accelerated inbred version of humanitarianism.
either way, there is no specification. Atheist communism is obviously cancerous to the bible in every way. A catholic centric communism is better but will not work because it denies a man the fruit of his labor by giving it to others. It denies the ownership of goods casting everyone into poverty and strife, charity cannot exist when it is forced.
Yeah they try this sort of shit all the time. Fortunately it's very easy to refute if you actually read the bible because they have no clue what they're talking about.
Because christ is literally instructing the opposite of extreme amassing of wealth what in the hell
Are you blind
>"No servant can serve two masters
If one is serving money as his master his soul is damaged and he is not serving god
He was speaking to and giving clear instructions to a disciple. There are many cases where following this exact advice would in fact be sinful, like if you had a family at home that relies on you to care for them. It would be very sinful for you to give away all of your possessions in this situation.
We are all servants to the Lord according to Christianity. In the heart of man if he is materialistic he is a servant to his wealth as well
and? go on.....?
Jesus no believe in family like that comrade.
…47Someone told Him, “Look, Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to You.” 48But Jesus replied, “Who is My mother, and who are My brothers?” 49Pointing to His disciples, He said, “Here are My mother and My brothers.…
Yes I'm sure Jesus wants you to raise your children on the street.
And what? if man is not serving god he cannot enter heaven. Therefore it is the duty of man to trust in god and not place wealth before god. If one devotes his time to acquiring capital he is placing wealth before god.
This is sin.
As independent.
The disciples took it to mean that if rich people couldn't be saved, then nobody could be saved. They, like the rest of their society, assumed that rich people were rich because they were blessed by God for being more righteous than anyone else.
Neither a rich man nor a poor man can save themselves, but with God being the author and finisher of salvation, salvation is open to any who believe.
God set up a monarchist system, not a capitalistic system, but with free markets working under the Law, and checked by shemitah and Jubilee laws.
Jesus warns that amassing wealth can inhibit your path to heaven but in no way does he say that wealth is incompatible with holiness nor does he say that being poor is a virtue. If you wish to go over why this is the case again I would be happy to repeat myself.
>But still, you get my meaning.
Your point was that "we" hold the jews in high regard because they are our spiritual successors. I don't understand what I'm supposed to "get" here, aside from that.
>Christians share many holy figures and events with judaism.
They adopted this because it fits their agenda as deceivers. Act like the chosen people and it gives you credibility.
There is a difference between making billions a year and working so as to subsist and live an orderly life
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only our plebians make earnest apologia for capitalism. It's only benefit is that it is better than communism -- both are rooted in evil though.
Christianity's ideal economic system is monarchical distributism.
When you have all the money to spend, you are more likely to fall into temptation and degeneracy without fearing consequence. Think something like PizzaGate.
>call yourself a Christian
>(smartly) ignore 95% of Jesus' retarded life advice
Sounds about right.
Because when you touch a Jew, you touch something near and dear to God's heart.
You have to get over your idea that Jesus was murdered. Nobody murdered him. He came to die. If he didn't want to die, he could still be on that cross today.
If a man desires money, he is materialistic. There is no discussion here. A man cannot be driven to accrue wealth and worship god at the same time. These are Christ's own words.
He meant rich as someone who values material possessions above all else. Not being worth a lot of money.
Afterlife advice is more valuable than life advice, and Jesus' life advice is priceless.
Well said. I'd only add that capitalism is the worst economic system we have developed, except for all of the other ones.
>Never attend bible study
>Never even read the bible
>Copy and paste quotes from the nearest socialist website
>Try to lecture Christians on what Jesus said
Stupid Christians don't even follow the bible amirite?
It's odd; in any other endeavor, they'd never assume the members were more ignorant than the non-members.
Capitalism is natural as is human inequality. We did not "develop" capitalism. Capitalism came about naturally as a manifestation of the orderly inequality that exists in the biosphere.
I desire money to feed my pregnant wife and I desire to save lots of money so I can put my kids through college. Do you honestly think this is sinful behavior?
Also you are referring to the sermon on the mount. let me give you the full quote so you can be less of a cuck in future.
"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
22 “The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are healthy,[l] your whole body will be full of light. 23 But if your eyes are unhealthy,[m] your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!
24 “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money."
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What this means is simple. You can work and love god and you can be wealthy and love god. Solomon demonstrates this through wisdom. Job demonstrates this through devotion.
But you cannot love money for moneys sake and love god. This lesson is simple and one that many 'money gurus' share day and night. Money means nothing by itself, its the person and the idea and the work of turning the idea to reality. Earning cash for a negative reason like avoiding anxiety is stupid in light of this. In this sense, you can be a multimillionaire or business magnate and love god, but you must not be afraid to use your money.
God says "faith without love is dead" it is the same thing.
Remember the parable of the talents
He also said:
Matthew 25: 29 For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away.
The sermon is to say, money must move because its useless without movement and represents a corrupt spirit that serves money.
because christfaggery is Jewish Socialism: Beta Version
Dude I attend theology classes on a regular basis. They are catholic theology classes but even still, I'm very well aware of the intricacies of much of Christianity
>Jews are God's chosen people
Sorry, no. They are the descendants of the serpent-hybrid Cain, who's father was Satan himself.
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>subsist
said this in a different post. No, this isn't sinful.
Do you desire millions a year just to have millions? Do you want to live in a new york penthouse while exploiting workers? No? Well some people do. Some people always have. This is sinful
Jesus was a Jew
Jesus is a descendant of a serpent-hybrid Cain
What the fuck are you saying this is literally heresy
not related to the topic of christianity, but the root of all evil in the modern world is not capitalism nor communism, but rather industrialism itself.
The other two are merely means of organizing industrial societies.
What is an alternative to industrialism that begets technological advancement at such a rapid rate?
What if I desire billions of dollars so I could use that to do good work and lots of charity? If you say this isn't sinful then you can't say that wealth is incompatible with holiness.
If this is your only intent and all of the money is given away then no, this isn't sinful
AGAIN do you want the money FOR YOURSELF? IF SO THIS IS SINFUL
>Jesus was a Jew
No, was/is not.
>Jesus is a descendant of a serpent-hybrid Cain
False, see below.
He was a descendant of David, King of Israel, who was described in the bible (Song of Solomon 5:10 and 1 Samuel 16:11 - 12) as "white and ruddy," see greentext for exact verse (same way vikings were described by Ibn Fadlan, on the Rus merchants at Itil, 922. See greentext for direct quote). Ruddy is synonymous with white. Jesus came from David's lineage, consequently making him ruddy (i.e. white) as well. David couldn't have been an ashkenazi jew (i.e. white-looking jew) seeing as they didn't exist at the time.
>My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.
Song of Solomon 5:10
>Now he was ruddy, with bright eyes, and good-looking.
1 Samuel 16:11 - 12
>I have seen the Rus as they came on their merchant journeys and encamped by the Itil. I have never seen more perfect physical specimens, tall as date palms, blond and ruddy;
Ibn Fadlan, on the Rus merchants at Itil, 922.
In case you want to take it even further, let me add this: Adam = to show blood in the face (i.e. blush). Only one people can do that. Jesus specifically stated he only came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel, who had been taken into captivity 700 years prior, were prophesied to lose their identity, and their language, but were to eventually be called "sons of the living god". He said his sheep would know him and hear his voice. The Jews could not and will not ever know or follow him because they are not of his genealogical flock. There are many other blessings given to Israel that are only fulfilled by the Western nations. Look at all of this leftist craziness going on right now. Look at the curses for not following God, given in the OT. This is happening to us, not other countries. Ephraim (another general name for the northern kingdom) mingles itself with foreigners making him worthless (Hosea).
As in, do you want *millions* for yourself.
Not, do you want enough to live on.
What if I have 20 million dollars and decide to leave that in a stock index to live off the interest? Over my lifetime I would end giving away more charity than I would have if I just gave away the 20 million at once.
Is this sinful?
I don't. Ancaps are fucking stupid.
>the ancient Israelites were white
>a few bible verses vs genetic evidence, shroud of turin, early byzantine icons
Christians actually killed Jews. Hitler didn't. Eat my dick and worship the gay Musilm lover named hitler.
Damn you really like these hypotheticals don't you? As if a the CEO of GM is going to think this way. Yea alright then.
Again. Is the man actively living opulently? Does he wan't this money for the purposes of living as such? If so, it is sinful.
If he is not living opulently, is placing god first, and allocates the vast majority of the money to the poor, this is not sinful.
fine. im like 10k in debt. so i should be golden, right?
>what is communisim
>what is tumblr
>what is Sup Forums
Ad homien. Not an arguement.
I think I've made my point then. Wealth is not incompatible with holiness.
Lel he's denying the Holocaust my great-grandfather was kept in a concentration camp
Provided that the wealth is given to the poor.
Now then.
What examples of your golden men can you point to under our capitalistic system?
He was supposed to die at the hands of the Jews. There were only a handful of proto-Christians anyways. That was already known at the moment of Creation, unless God isn't omniscient?
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Further, how can you say that capitalism and Christianity are compatible when you know for a fact that the *vast* majority of the rich concentrate their wealth amongst themselves and exploit their workers?
Would a system that forces wealth redistribution not be in line with a Christian economy?
Retard detected. Christianity was the original. Talmud was written 600 years AFTER Christ. Ancient Hebrews had the same religon Christians do. God existed before Jesus and he existed before Moses. In this way Christianity is older than all other religions.
>>a few bible verses vs genetic evidence, shroud of turin, early byzantine icons
First of all, what holds more authority. The world of God or that which is of the world? Satan is the father of lies and the masters of spreading disinformation. The kikes are his offspring. They largely control print media, television, and the film industry. Jewish thinktanks, pundits and advisors have their hands all over the control both sides of foreign policy, economics, finance, education, religion, etc.
Second of all, what genetic evidence are we talking about? Also, the shroud of turin? Really?
Also, what about the other biblical characteristics of God's chosen people? Do you honestly think that the Jews were great warriors? Great sailors and fishermen? Farmers and Ranchers? Lovers of nature, animals
and wildlife? Builders, and great architects? Soul inspiring artists and musicians? What people do fit those characteristics? Europeans.
The bible and world events take on a whole new meaning when you understand that we northern-european white people are the lost tribes of
Israel, God's race. It makes our current debasement that much sadder. We have either turned from God, or have fallen prey to the false
preaching of "Judeo-Christianity", and we are reaping the results. We are the ones who fulfilled the prophecies for Israel. It was not an
accident that we were the ones who heard when Jesus came to gather the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Hopefully we can wake the fuck
up soon enough, before we face displacement, exile and slavery again.
I don't know every man in the world so we can only argue in principles. A wealthy man can be holy and he can get to heaven therefor it's not correct to say that being wealthy is not inherently sinful.
1) is technological advancement a valid ends to begin with?
Consider it: technological advancement will soon enough make all of human life outside of owner/ruler classes obsolete (via automation) and thus worthy only of death from a utilitarian perspective when the ends is seen as technological advancement in and of itself.
2) I propose that human life itself is valuable beyond technology, and that maintaining semi-perpetually stable societies is more relevant than technology itself.
Following from this, I would propose a society that is agrarian, yet scientifically informed, with all artifice being done either by specialist artisans, or through the so-called "workshop system" moderated by monarchical land holders of military worth rather than capitalists.
Basically, it needs to be the 1750s again, but with post-industrial knowledge of science guiding our practices to avoid overextending our resources or facing a malthusian or luddite catastrophe.
So I'm arguing with a kike. Ain't that something.
>tips menorah
The Europeans are god's chosen people
Oh my god
So who was in europe during the time period of the old testament
Matthew 10:37 says otherwise. But fwiw, I agree with you.
What is Pharisee? Who is killed Jesus?
In the temple courts He found men selling cattle, sheep, and doves, and money changers seated at their tables. 15So He made a whip out of cords and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle. He poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16To those selling doves He said, “Get these out of here! How dare you turn My Father’s house into a marketplace!”
We don't. Christianity is the biggest enemy of the Jews. Only because of "secular" aka atheist "cultre-Christians" have we become "cucks." Look at Sweden, 80% atheist. Atheistism has destroyed the west.
Okay, perhaps being wealthy isn't inherently sinful. Great. Capitalism then. What I said in the OP. Is it compatible or isn't it given human disposition to not have the golden standards you think men must have?
I'm a polish-irish agnostic. My great-grandfather was polish and an atheist.