/left/ General - Dictatorship Of The Sup Forumsetariat Edition

Greetings Comrades

This thread is for the discussion of any and all left-wing political ideology, including, but not limited to, Marxism/Socialism/Communism/Anarchism/Syndicalism/etc.

>Socialism is an economic and social system defined by social ownership of the means of production. (Workers democratically own and operate the places in which they work, as opposed to private power aka capitalism)

>The means of production are non-human inputs the create economic value, such as factories, workplaces, industrial machinery, etc. Socialists refer to the means of production as capital, or private property. Private property in the socialist context shouldn't be confused with personal property, such as your home, car, computer, and other possessions.

>In a capitalist society the means of production are owned and controlled privately, by those that can afford them (the capitalist aka those with capital). Production is carried out to benefit the capitalist (production for profit). Workers are paid a wage, and receive that amount regardless of how much value they produce.

>Communism is the highest developed stage of socialism wherein there is no state, no money, no class system. The means of production are owned by all and provide for everyone's needs.

Resources:

ABC's of Socialism: s3.jacobinmag.com/issues/jacobin-abcs.pdf

Introduction to Marxism by Professor Richard D. Wolff: youtube.com/watch?v=T9Whccunka4

Selections of Left-wing Literature:
theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-conquest-of-bread

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/

marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm

marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

Other urls found in this thread:

youtube.com/watch?v=SFDt_yv5a64
youtube.com/watch?v=DrqAUebq6Ic
reddit.com/r/SRSMeta/comments/17dosp/so_you_know_how_everyone_says_reddit_is_being/
reddit.com/r/SRSDiscussion/comments/17jqjt/how_do_we_counter_stormfronts_bugs/
twitter.com/SFWRedditVideos

NEW THREAD

Threadly reminder that Stalin did nothing wrong.

>saged and hidden, faggot
get necked red

Ah I didn't see that in the catalog

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OP please include more anarchist and left-libertarian sources in the next post.

6th for Black Army and Makhno

lel i sage u

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Sure, I'm looking for suggestions

death to communism

How to be a leftist:
>socialism applicaded
>doesn't work
>muh It's not real socialism
>muh misrepresented Marx's idea
>repeat at infinitum

Fucking this

I got into an argument with my wife's boyfriend when he said that Communism has never been successful.

How do I reply?

what about strasserism?

they were fucking hohols anyways

stalin also killed a lot of kikes however he didnt officially kill them explicitly for being kikes

Ok now I'm going to ask so I don't assume you know this or that. Who is it you exactly have a problem with as business owners? Is it the general overall or just the higher ups?

AND the kulaks deserved it

Libertariann readings:
Mikhail Bakunin - God and the State (short read)
Thomas Paine - Agrarian Justice
Noam Chomsky - Notes on Anarchism
Anton Pannekoek - Worker's Councils

I know*

Suck his dick desu

Y'all better be saging this.

except he did
Stalin was a raging anti-Semite in his later years

Sure, I guess it's a left-wing ideology. I'm not well read on it though.

What I can say is they have a badass looking symbol

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We take back our thread, one shitpost at a time

Better dead than red.

Chomsky on Classical Liberalism:

youtube.com/watch?v=SFDt_yv5a64

SEVEN LIVES FOR MY COUNTRY

how does /leftypol/ on 8ch look for you right now?

anti-leftists are anti-nationalist (kike)

Don't know, don't go there

Sup Forums is capitalist because they are NEETs, and their shitposting is subsidized by their parents. I can't wait until they finally see how shitty working is & how little money they make. Hope you don't get fired and lose your health insurance!

"I get my info from Sarcuck and pol"
do you mongrels actually read any theory at all? even your nationalist shit?

also kulaks deserved it

>Believing an ideology never evolves

Maybe that's why communism hasn't gotten anywhere, stagnation and apathy are worse than death.

The first post isn't a shitpost.

>Libertarian
>Bakunin

Nice try hipster

remember that it is nationalist and anti globalist though

i see it as the original national socialism with actual socialistic ideas

At least they don't pretend that they deserve something

goddamn the election was terrible for this board huh

Kill yourself leaf

>"I am the proletariat!" - some jew
L A F F

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>death this
>dath that
Maybe you should try it.

please, I beg of you.
kill yourself.

I'm not a commie but anti-leftism is by default anti-nationalist
nation>rich
that is leftism
enjoy your 40% non-white nation

Fuck off to leftypol and reddit, cunts

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All humans deserve the means to survive. Food, water, shelter, etc should be guaranteed by society, regardless of whether you want to work. Anything less is caveman-tier.

I'm capitalist because I actually went out and got a well paying job I enjoy. I like working on cars so I looked at the market, saw diesel mechanics were, and for the foreseeable future, needed.

I get payed to do shit I like doing in my free time.

>It's never been done

It's how humans have lived for the majoirty of human history.

Want examples?

Any community of people before the establishment of a state.

Tribal communal living.

To a lesser extent but modern examples:

Amish communities

Anarchist Aragon

Revolutionary Catalonia

>and any attempt has, as I've stated before, become the opposite

I don't know if you had trouble reading my comment, but again, you're arguing against "state capitalism" and the "vanguard regime" which is not communism.

>Suffice to say, the freer the market, the freer the people.

Communism is the ultimate freedom with complete abolishment of the state.

Bakunin was deeply skeptical of authority and criticized Marx and the other "German Communists."

Griefings Comrods!

May we once again love another mans anus as we love our own.

Hell Marksism!

>MUH HOHOLS
>MUH KULAKS
Just a reminder that when communiggers run out of """bourgeoisie""" and """""fascists""""" to kill they just find a new label to slap on a newly assigned enemy class because they just can't stop murdering.

>deserve

lel

Shitpost THIS

>This is what commies believe

no, you should kys, you Soros loving fuck
oh, you don't love him? Soros is a product of liberal capitalism, or it's modern version, neoliberalism

Except much like Hitler, lose everything in the end, it just took him longer.

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>a worker at a store makes loaves of bread
>at the end of the day, his wage is such that for every loaf he baked, he was compensated enough to buy a few slices of bread
>therefore, even though he worked hard enough to produce, say twenty loaves of bread, he only makes enough money to buy seven (before taxes even)

Really makes you think.

>muh shills

The only good commie is a dead one

But it is what I believe, user. I just said as much. Why settle for anything less?

>they were fucking hohols anyways
Why, just why everybody only bring up ukrainians? Is ukrainian victim propaganda really that good?
Millions of Russians, Kazakhs and Caucasians died too! And there was another famine before holodomor, it hit primarily south Russia.

With libertarianism, you exchange government masters with corporate masters, except now you have no input into the system other than your economic value, which will just create a new, more powerful ruling class.

Not what Bak was about, don't try to claim him as your own.

You are still a slave to bankers and landlords who gain wealth for producing nothing on the backs of laborers like yourself. Communism rewards labor and ingenuity, capitalism rewards greed and arbitrary "ownership" of the labor of others.

>do you mongrels actually read any theory at all?
>*gets into a slapfight with other Leftists over a minor dispute in doctrine*

How will the "means of production" be run after the revolution again, comrade? Worker's councils? A managerial class?

>Pic related


Strasserism we in h e r e

we have the means to make everyone not starve to death every day, why not utilise that
>muh entrepreneurs, muh job creators

What the fuck autism is this?

I haven't been convinced its a system worth trying

Trust me I will enjoy it with Trump at the top, he maybe just another puppet but at least he's one I can stomach. Maybe with a little less socialism we can make America great again.

Also believing if its anti-this it has to be anti-that shows that you're not willing to actually meld ideas to form better ones. In short you'd rather break then bend.

>state capitalism is communism meme

Nice try, but communism is stateless.

Hello fellow left friends. How do we convince more men to be open to open relationships and cuckolding?

What he said

George Soros is a product of Hungarian kys

>A fucking leaf
Threadly reminder that communism never worked.

I bet the chubby latinx in the middle has an amazing boipucci.

Workers Untie!

Wow, its almost as if there are competing version of ideology.

Whats fucking hilarious is that they think all their cuck porn and concern trolling isn't obvious.

Too bad those stormfags are as bad as lefty pol and they need to organize in a safe space.

Faggots.

Is jimmy dore, dare I say it, our guy?

youtube.com/watch?v=DrqAUebq6Ic

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shalom friends

>judaism is a monolithic hivemind

Just like Jews can be degenerate SJWs in Hollywood and conservative militarists in Israel, not all Jews are the same. What is the same is that their policies are inevitably bad for non-Jews.

workers councils sure
we're not liberals

Threadly reminder that communism has never been tried

Except it's actual recent proof that guys are raiding for the sole purpose of being disruptive.

Meme started by SRS, another far-left reddit board.

reddit.com/r/SRSMeta/comments/17dosp/so_you_know_how_everyone_says_reddit_is_being/
reddit.com/r/SRSDiscussion/comments/17jqjt/how_do_we_counter_stormfronts_bugs/

None of those threads show anything except maybe one guy saying he browses Sup Forums.

I love how you left out the profiles on the left. If you look it up on the site, that "WakeUpWhiteMan" account is obviously fake account with something like 100 posts a day.

You are a selfish person, you think you deserve something just for breathing.
This explains why a bunch of basement dwellers love communism so much.

everyone my antifa group is in a open relationship

>Wow, its almost as if there are competing version of ideology.
Then why do you assume leftists are "raiding" you to "shill" or whatever it is this time?
Lurkers can disagree with the ethnonationalist crazy. That's not an outlandish premise.

>theory
That's exactly the problem with you, socialism's theory is beatiful and great but it'll never worked, you forget the human. If you wanna change the reality just because some crazy man said to you that is cool, you are the crazy man.
Theories should not dictate how the world works, they should only analyze how it works.

>press both
The jew has no problem working within the system, however, he would love to assume direct control.

Africa's population more than tripled in the past 50 years so I guess there's no starvation problem there, either.

Jesus, commies are retarded.

The idea of communism is built on classical liberal notions of common property.

>With libertarianism, you exchange government masters with corporate masters
No, not really. The right has co-opted libertarianism to mean its opposite. In a truly libertarian society, there would be no state to interfere with worker's movements, give subsidies, and to defend private property.

I don't believe that the Soviet Union was communist, though. You must be mistaking me for a right-winger. I'm using "libertarian" in its original sense (now sometimes referred to as left-libertarianism, libertarian socialism, or anarcho-communism).

A society of non-workers isn't going to get any of those things, regardless of whether they deserve it or not.

Reality is brutal and indeed caveman-tier comrade.

And the reddit cap is just as bad.
Seriously? No self-awareness?

>sole purpose of being disruptive
For the sole purpose of trying to communicate core ideas and have some substantive political discussion, more like.

no, you don't understand
collectivism=leftism
real leftism, not modern identity politics-focused SJWs
nationalism is left-wing ideology
interest of nation are ahead of interests of small elite
as I said, enjoy Mexicans
just like your ancestors enjoyed someone picking their cotton
how did that go?