Pipeline Protestors

Redpill me on these Dakota pipeline protestors, Sup Forums. Do they have a valid case, even at the core, or is it just a bunch of liberals jumping at the opportunity to hate on whitey and defend a "poor oppressed minority group?"

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>redskin me on dirty injuns

The Americans should've done what we did. Kill all the natives, no survivors.

Indians claiming they're the stewards of the earth while they post up camp, litter, and shit in the river.

We did. All that's left is mixed blood who want to be special.

So basically a bunch of folks who just want a cause to make them feel special?

Fuckin aye. We should have done the same with our niggers here and aussies with the abo's.

sfgate.com/news/article/Standing-Rock-protest-white-people-Burning-Man-10640250.php

It's a bunch of white professional victims who seize any opportunity to sit in a drum circle and update their instagram

You still can, just organize some shitty Maori only family holiday, since they'll want to spend time together as a family they'll all go to South Auckland to visit their many relatives in prison. While this is happening you bomb the shit out of South Auckland and quarantine it!

North Dakota oil drilling companies leak a lot of oil and destroyed other water supplies in the past. The Indians have a good reason to protest.

Then why didn't indians attend the public hearings?

Hey, it's Malcolm!

Yep. All you need to know is that if this thing leaks into the Missouri River, it's 18 million peoples' water supply that'll be affected, not just some little village.
This is all very he-said-she-said. From what I've read I can't honestly tell if there were legit meetings in the first place. Perhaps the local cultures refused because they felt the land was theirs to begin with (rightfully so). I know they refused money because it was blood money, the oil company continues to insist the land is public/bought and not reservation, as does Dalrymple's office.

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Fuck the water part, the real problem is violation if tribal territory. Company execs deserve to be scalped

They aren't hiding it anymore

And what makes this particular pipeline special?

It's a classic display of environmental justice issues. The pipeline was originally meant to go up north towards a predominately white town. The residents complained about potential water contamination issues and other dangers, so the pipeline was rerouted through the standing rock reservation. Now i have heard that the sioux leaders were not participating in the communication process that could have maybe rerouted the pipeline around the burial sites. I havent read any good reporting about whether that failure to communicate was due to an unwillingness to accept the pipeline going through at all, a lack of funds to meaningfully participate, or just negligence. regardless, the same concerns that were raised by the town are viable for the reservation. What ends up happening far too often with these projects, known in the legal community as LULUs (locally unwanted land uses), is that the companies search for the path of least resistance, which usually is the poorest path possible. Here they were prevented from going near the town due to the financial and legal resistance they faced there, so tried another option, going through the reservation where they are facing not financial resistance, but straight up protests.

boo fuckin' hoo

Its been co-opted by hipsters
youtu.be/9E-VMVQk_ts

wasted

Nothing, unlike the Indians here in Oklahoma they don't have casinos to keep them content, so they're trying to use this to get money.

>dey shurd erf killed dem befor!
Yeah, about that... If they could have, they would have. they had literally centuries of trying and yet just could not get the job done.

>well we already have some risk there, lets raise it and allow more to be put in.

1. Pipelines suck, companies usually let them break down rather than fix when they start leaking because if they stop for repairs they are losing TRILLIONS OF MONIES per hour it isn't pumping. Instead they let them break down which leads to a spill which gets them a slap on the wrist fine and if they are lucky a huge insurance settlement.
2. There is a huge aquifer that supports a large portion of the country under it that when it bursts will be poisoned for a bit and lead to retard babies.
3. This land is our land, but this land is especially our corporate overlords land.

the pipeline is not on indian land. the right-away has already been paid to the land owners. the pipe runs parallel to another pipe that is already there. the indians were offered many chances to negotiate but declined.

i might add, find who has stock in the rail system and you will probable find who is behide the whole protest.

This. I am glad my Mexican cousins are now taking back the land that belongs to the indians

If the pipeline breaks, it will affect indian land. As well as millions down the river.
See

where is proofs

>pipeline proposed
>path of pipeline comes close to injun territory
>offer injuns money
>not enough
>proceed with construction anyways
>injuns start chimping out and protesting
>MUH WATER
>MUH BURIAL GROUNDS
>pipeline almost finished
>no human remains found thus far
>paid protesters and (((veterans))) arrive
>pipeline company protected by local law enforcement
>injuns continue to chimp out

pretty much everything I can think of...

>t. South Dakotan

*sniff*
Wrong.

the pipeline doesnt touch standing rock rez.

the indians tried to play hardball to get more cheese out of the deal so the pipeline was routed away from them. now they are pissed that they arent going to get any gibs out of the deal and retarded credit card hippy college eco terrorists have joined the protest and popularized it on social media.

shit is laughable.

The plight of Native Americans ancestral burial ground being defecated by pipe line, but turns out the process done faster with bunch of retarded SJW shit heads using the occasion to just fucking get high, fuck and be degenerate as possible while littering place, ruining the entire movement, like they always do.

closest to the truth in this thread

>oil company offers indians 10 million to build a pipeline across their land
>indians ask for 20
>oil company agrees
>indians change their mind at the last minute
>oil company reroutes pipeline so its not on indian land
>army corps of engineers okays the construction both as safe and not on the indian's land
>indians claim its their ancestral burial ground and it'll hurt the water supply

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you forgot to add that they are being funded by one of the jews who owns the railway that ships a ton of crude through the area

What the fuck... are you drunk Running Bear? Pipelines get repaired when they need to get repaired. Nobody wants to have a spill. The government fine is more than you think considering these corporations already lose a ton of money to government tax and over regulation.

Having grown up in northern NM, I'm sad to say, you are very wrong.

Also if you don't care about the environmental issues or national security issues of having our water compromised. There is the issue that our police are allowed such a huge show of force and are near third world military style bodyguards for profits.

>stopping pipeline flow costs trillions of monies
>having it stop while also spilling your product into the ground and getting a fine doesnt.

let me guess, youre being retarded on purpose?

protestors organized by Earth Justice non profit lawyers out of San Francisco. They make money sue federal government with environmental protection laws. protests are to sway public opinion to make it easier to win in court.

Too bad it's not on their (Indian) land

Warren Buffet, yeah.

Anyone got an actual source on the whole "oil company tried to pay off the indians" claim?

They actually do. There's one two miles south of the protests.

Real news Infowars not on your fake CNN shit.

Does it really just boil down to race-baiting always? Can't we just empathize with not wanting to be overrun and having your natural resources contaminated by corporate interests?

I'm a super lib, but I want us and the drumpkins to reach some level of understanding. This shit is unacceptable, and government assisted corporatism is a cancer no matter what race of people being affected by it. It's not cool just knowingly destroy resources that people rely on. Surely the populist zeitgeist is undermined if you only apply it to white people. Corporatists don't see color other than green.

Basically the tribes do NOT own the land the pipeline runs through. The federal government does, but by federal law, they government must consider cultural ramifications of the pipeline before construction.

The media would lead you to believe that the government didn't do this and violated federal law. This is not true.

Between the announcement of the pipeline and the beginning of construction, officials and engineers hosted 559 meetings with the communities and tribes to address concerns. The Standing Rock Sioux tribe mostly ignored the invitations for meetings or didn't take them seriously. They had more than ample time to prevent construction, but now that they realize it's far too late, they have changed their minds.

>Tanto still thinks they gather their drinking water from the river.

Why do people keep posting this narrative? They were never offered money. Dakota Access has even admitted it.

I dont see any source, faggot. let's see a link.

youtu.be/XFsKSTRDGkA

>because in reality water comes out of the faucet from fucking magic!

chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-oil-pipeline-leaks-20150522-story.html

Even if the thing never bursts leaks are widely under reported and there is a federal allowable leak limit so even the leaks that are reported are legal. Along with the fact that the epa is under funded so government inspectors usually do a once over when it is built and hardly check on it over its lifetime.

It came from a Infowars video. fact is pipeline is not on Indian land.

You think they draw it straight the fuck out of the river to your tap dipshit?

This is how division is caused. It's actually a right wing issue but lefties take it up. So naturally right wing resist.

Conservatism involves environmental conservation as much as it does limited government. Or at least that's the traditional role for conservatives.

Natural law (god), limited government, hunting & fishing (respect for environment) and respecting other cultures without sucking black dick because it's fashionable or some desperate attempt to "appease" minorities.

People should be concerned about this because the government has attacked unarmed protestors & called in NAT guard. Just think what they will do to peacefully armed protestors

Follow the money who is organizing protestors and for what purpose. Earth Justice of San Francisco.

This Please

I mean, I would fucking love to find some common ground with conservatives, and we could try to make America great again. But you guys are only populist when corporate greed affects white people. I just want to establish, in common, that it's fucked up with monied interests totally overrun the will of people, no matter what color those people are.

And the shit the oil police are doing out there is deplorable. You guys would be infuriated if this weren't painted as liberal vs conservate of white vs nonwhite.

You gonna tell me they are pumping snake oil through that pipeline next?

That's why the protestors should Cary guns like at Bundy ranch and Oregon standoff.

Its not a river its an aquifer en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquifer

This one in particular en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogallala_Aquifer

However I will say a spill will just add to the contamination in our water already (animal shit and crop pesticide runoff) and will mostly stay localized.

Mostly just annoyed no one in this country except hippies give a shit about pollution.

This is what passes as a viable news outlet? I don't think so. "Muh secret source said they were offered money."

this dapl shit is obviously just commies Lefties/Soros) using useful idiots. Native are just ass easy to control as niggers are (BLM)
If they were in the right they would have a larger backing.
The teepee elders are pissed they didn't get their gibs, so they started inciting their youth through social media, then soros jumped on.

>is it just a bunch of liberals jumping at the opportunity to hate on whitey and defend a "poor oppressed minority group?"
I think it really is just that. I havent seen anything to the contrary.

I'm just telling you the source for everyone saying the Indians turned down an easement payment wanting more money, then getting mad when the pipeline was rerouted around the reservation. The source for that was the Infowars video. Their source was an unnamed sercret insider.

it's not clear that the use of force to push the protesters out is unwarranted when its not entirely clear that using eminent domain as they are is even legal. Generally indian tribes and their reservations are legally treated as a separate sovereign nation. What the government and pipeline co. is doing is analogous to an attempt to run a pipeline through Canada without Canada's consent, there's no way that would fly. In my opinion, the use of eminent domain to benefit private companies to export their oil/gas overseas is a complete misuse of the power. Eminent domain was meant to allow the government to forcefully take the land of private citizens in order to make roads, hospitals, etc. things that would help all of society. And for the most part this is still how the gov't uses it.

Kinda like how fox news source for their talking heads commentary is always "some people say"

holy fuck

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We must feed him gravel

Social Media Slacktivist issue of the month, they'll be over it soon once Trump triggers them again.

Some of the Indian lands are in trusts overseen by the government so they don't have mineral rights and such.

look at the map you stupid nigger its not touching their land.

>will of the people
Like we care about a bunch of dirty savages and muh ancestral grounds

>North Dakota oil drilling companies leak a lot of oil and destroyed other water supplies in the past

Source requested. Last post on this that had a source that I saw showed that leaks are minimal and almost entirely recovered. Oil is worth money -- if it was a money pipeline and spung a leak, somebody would go out there and collect the money.

Same source also showed that the only serious leaks were caused by environmentalist sabotaging pipelines.

Sadly, did not save the link. But if you have one that explains the contrary, I'd like to read it.

You really think the average water treatment plant can handle a oil spill? Answer; no, it fucks up the filtration system and they usually have to shut the system down to prevent that damage. Bam! suddenly out of prevention of damage, there is no water being treated at all now. That doesnt even cover the damage to the ground water itself which is already going to shit.

What you should be worried about is the it's for their safety excuse that the authorities are using to forceably remove protestors. This same thing is used during emergency like fires and floods. another form of martial law.

If they cared this much about MUH SACRED LAND when it actually mattered, perhaps it would still be theirs

Every civilization on Earth does this, at least the part after acting like stewards.

Either of you got a source that confirms if it is on their land or not. Have heard both assertions, would like to understand what is really going on.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipeline_accidents_in_the_United_States_in_the_21st_century

They have been voicing their concerns since all of this began back in 2014.

fucking google image search is your friend

of course their source is a secret...

lol this started way before 2014 nigger lover

Yeah, I can think of no reason why a pipeline company would care if their profits are leaking out all over the place.

Everything was Indian land you cannot did a hole to take a shit in in America without unearthing an arrowhead or cheaf suckmadicks secred bones.

The pipeline was announced in 2014.

1. The pipeline does not pass through their property.

2. The area of the river that the pipeline cross is 70 miles upstream from the water processing plant used by the Natives protesting.

3. The U.S. Army Engineers have deemed it safe and reliable and that it has a minimal chance of breaking and polluting the river

4. The land that it crosses is owned by the U.S. Army Engineers and Dakota Access, the pipeline company

5. The tribe want the pipeline to be permanently dismantled. They say this is protect the climate and their water supply.

6. The company building the pipeline have had no accidents or violations involving oil pipelines

So...That's about it.

Indians don't want an oil pipeline crossing a river that supplies them with water.

Engineers have assessed it's safety and say it's safe, and the company has no history of accidents or failings with oil pipelines.

Protesters say that ANY possibility of an accident is too high to risk.

I agree with them. The same reason all non-whites migrants should be barred from white countries.

it's a shame they won't name their source for credibility. Kinda like how newspaper reporters have confidential sources.

The company building the pipeline have never had an oil leak.

The idiot that made this could even be bothered to know where the St. Lawrence flows. fuckin pleb

why "nonwhite" migrants? Surely there is SOME risk posed by all migrants, no matter the race

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipeline_accidents_in_the_United_States_in_the_21st_century

Ctrl-f keystone, there are already two major ones part of the original keystone (not XL)
>Due to a number of other leaks on this pipeline system, Keystone's owner, TransCanada Corporation, was given a Corrective Action Order by PHMSA

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_Pipeline

"Realistic calculations yield worst-case spill estimates of more than 180,000 barrels (7,600,000 US gal; 29,000,000 L) in the Nebraska Sandhills above the Ogallala Aquifer, more than 160,000 barrels (6,700,000 US gal; 25,000,000 L) of crude oil at the Yellowstone River crossings, more than 140,000 barrels (5,900,000 US gal; 22,000,000 L) at the Platte River crossing and more than 120,000 barrels (5,000,000 US gal; 19,000,000 L) at the Missouri River crossing."
"Contaminants from a release at the Missouri or Yellowstone River crossing would enter Lake Sakakawea in North Dakota where they would adversely affect drinking water intakes, aquatic wildlife, and recreation. Contaminants from a spill at the Platte River crossing would travel downstream unabated into the Missouri River for several hundred miles affecting drinking water intakes for hundreds of thousands of people (e.g., Lincoln, NE; Omaha, NE; Nebraska City, NE; St. Joseph, MO; Kansas City, MO) as well as aquatic habitats and recreational activities. In addition, other constituents from the spill would pose serious risks to humans and to aquatic species in the river."
"The worst-case site for such a spill is in the Sandhills region of Nebraska. The Sandhills are ancient sand dunes that have been stabilized by grasses. Because of their very permeable geology, nearly 100 percent of the annual rainfall infiltrates to a very shallow aquifer, often less than 20 feet below the surface. This aquifer is the well-known Ogallala Aquifer that is one of the most productive and important aquifers in the world."[80]

Who is organizing and paying for the pretest it isn't about the environment it's never about the environment. That is just Earth Justice feel good excuse to make tax free millions from the federal government.

Doesn't stop the people here on good ol' pol from using it as fact though, regardless of them always going about "real" news sources.

>If the pipeline breaks, it will affect indian land. As well as millions down the river.


The odds of that are not very good. North Dakota is already criss-crossed with pipelines.

>Yep. All you need to know is that if this thing leaks into the Missouri River, it's 18 million peoples' water supply that'll be affected, not just some little village.

According to the scientific experts, a possible leak will be unlikely to affect the tribes water filtration plant, which is located 70 miles south. So you're wrong, according to them, about it affecting 18 million people.

>Perhaps the local cultures refused because they felt the land was theirs to begin with (rightfully so).

Incorrect. The land belonged to a private couple who sold it to Dakota Acces, and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, a federal agency.

The pipeline does not pass through the land belonging to the tribe protesting.