What's wrong with communism?

What's wrong with communism?

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Same thing that's wrong with spaniards: Everything.

It doesn't work.

>surgeon lives in the same house as the dildo painter

I hate niggers

It doesn't fucking work.

Literally nothing, why do you ask, comrade?

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It has been proven impossible by history. It was worth a shot but it's time to give it up

eventually the money runs out.

rational thought triggers the idealists

pic related

money is imaginary

It's flawed beacuse it promotes things such as being a neet and living off the gubment beacuse "muh welfare" and "This country is so rich anyway", but expects the people to not succumb to the degeneracy and work their hardest anyway.

It requires for literally everyone to just do whatever the government tells them to do and never rebel ever


Good luck convincing everyone of that

It requires my consent and cooperation, which you do not have.

Like libertarianism, it's doesn't work. :)

Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is?

>literally who regimes lasting weeks at a time or straight up failed coups
>working

infinite growth/profit is the ideology of cancer

capitalism is cancer and we have the pollution to prove it.

capitalism doesn't have my consent

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>money is imaginary
haha. This is the height of intellectual thought in communism and you wonder why your system fails every time some country tries it.

its worst-case scenario is worse than most other government systems.

We judge by worst case. I hope you remember how many millions Stalin murdered in Russia. 50 million is a conservative estimate. Communism allows insecure psychopaths to take control.

Sucks then because you're bound into it through a social contract. Or you can save up enough go buy some land and live the communist dream with others, work with your comrades you can do it.

Marx argues that as the economy grows under capitalism, technology advances. As technology advances wages decrease while labour input increases while also decreasing the honor of labour and the living conditions of the laborer.

Let us first condemn these accusations as technophobic and drawn entirely from a realm of emotions, not having any correspondence to the world in its actual form.

First: the argument that as technology grows wages decrease.

This is clearly untrue, evidence against this can be found by comparing the living conditions between any developed and developing nation.

As technology increases more production is increased leading to a cheapening of the value of products and an increase in the quality of said products. Due to the cheapening of said product the wages paid will always pay for more products in the larger economy.

Consider the wages of those in the middle of Mali an African Country vs the low class of the USA, obviously it can be seen that the low wages of the lower class in the USA overshadow the wages of the middle class of mali.

We can now say clearly that this is just overly emotional and fearful rhetoric
Second:as technology advances labour input is increased and value of said labour is decreased.

This is also clearly untrue when we consider the high paying wages of the U.S. Factory worker when the manufacturing was done chiefly in said country.

It is obvious that as technology advances according to the principles of Fordism and scientific management(Taylorism) physical input from workers decreases while increasing the wages of said workers because every corporation wishes to turn a profit they shall pay their employees enough to earn said profit.

When you maximize the gains of your corporation you maximize the payment of your workers.

As such we can now clearly say after examining these principles and the state of reality as history judges that this argument is nothing but emotion fueled fearful rhetoric.

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continually thinking that planned obsolescence, manufactured scarcity and externalities can just be magically ignored every time it's asked about isn't insane?

Third: it is argued that as the economy grows the honor of the worker is decreased and the further is he exploited.

I argue that seeking honor for physical labour, that is to say for payment, is an unrealistic demand that is made purely to appeal to the emotions of those who feel the need to be honored or respected without placing any extra work for that as payment.

The only honors and glory one should receive from his work is the following. The honor of knowing he provided for himself, the honor of knowing he provided for his family, and the honor of knowing he helped his nation-state/society with his work.

Seeking of any further honor than these is pointless.

After understanding that this was nothing but an attempt at appealing towards the emotions of the poor and the emotions of the narcissistic we can now say that is was again nothing but emotion fueled rhetoric.

The argument of Marx about the means of production continuously changing by the shifting of hands from the minority into majority is also a false argument with no place in reality.

Rome was capitalist for example, and Egypt had state-capitalism.

Rome had banks no? It had legal tender no? It had a legal system and a court system no?

Further if we give the argument to Marx that this is how the economy shifts and grows eventually, that bourgeois overtakes aristocrat and proletariat overtakes bourgeois, we have no reason to assume that proletariat is the bottom line, the lowest principle. "Worker" isn't the lowest common denominator, especially not in modern welfare states. Person is.

If we go by Marx's own logic taken to the extreme, eventually the means of production would be forcibly taken from the proletariat by a different people. The leech class.

Nothing, it's a nice libertarian utopia.

it's bad, mkay?

It inevitably collapses due to its internal contradictions

That looks nothing like Kim Il Sung.

Communism is a Jewish Social Construct.

Nothing that the jews think of will ever work in this world.

What's wrong with fascism?

I would say the main problem is that I cannot exploit the proletariat. It'll never work, so d-don't try.

>IDS ALL A GABITULIST GONSPURACY
You communiggers are truly pathetic.

For starters, no one knows what it is.

It's humans that are wrong, not Marxism!

>flag

That it exists.

Please kill yourself.

You too.

>It doesn't work.
Yes. Communism doesn't work when America does everything in its power to sabotage and disrupt it. And they did. And it worked great.

Every inspirational speech spun as a declaration of war against the world by Russia. Every promise reneged to make Russia fall further into poverty. America found a grand tiger that it could bait without any threat of consequence due to them being the sole possessor of the atomic bomb at the time, casually threatening to destroy Moscow should the Kremlin dare speak up at any point or challenge American dominance.

Truman was a retarded cunt. Byrnes was the mutt bastard son of a bitch. Hoover was an insufferable paranoid faggot.

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If I had one wish in the whole wide world, it would be the institution of fully insurrectionary luxury queer space anarchism.

If I had two wishes, it would be to fix this fucking meme so that people like Kim Chwa-chin were appreciated for their full systemic efforts against domination, and not just their actions that benefited the proletarians around them.

Nothing if you like being a slave of the party

>marx argues that as the economy grows then tech advances and it's the tech that decreases wages

i don't think that was the central premise of his argument. also the wheat thresher and cotton gin had been invented before the civil war and the u.s. south still refused to get rid of slaves

>comparing living conditions between developing and developed nations proves that wages increase

yoo wut?

>due to the cheapening of a product the wages paid will pay for more products in the larger economy
>product of the wages paid will pay for more products

are you saying that the workers will be paid more or less? what does larger economy mean?

i'm not even going to continue reading until you speak clearly

Globalist aspect
>It can only work if the whole world accepts it!
Fucking retarded, if you cant make it work in one nation, what makes you think it will work in the rest of the world

Not so fast, Stalin.

fuck off manlet

hey guess what

youtube.com/watch?v=2gNXfrMR_Lw

nytimes.com/2003/03/14/opinion/a-tyrant-40-years-in-the-making.html

history.com/this-day-in-history/ford-signs-agreement-with-soviet-union

there is literally nothing wrong with communism, it is a flawless ideology
assuming humans are perfect, commit no sins, have no degeneracy, and need no balances to keep themselves in check
so in other words, fascism is simply a superior version of communism where the people have absolute power and not some corruptable fucks in the state, since the people hold the guns

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Its theory that a dictatorship of the proletariet would lead to an anarchist utopia.

>apply as much pressure as possible to destroy socialism
>socialism eventually collapses
>SEE THERE'S NO WAY SOCIALISM CAN WORK

Ya okay kiddo.

Wallace was like "It's really insane to keep baiting Russia. It's sort of inevitable they'll eventually get the bomb. We should work for a better alliance to promote global peace."

And Truman & Co were like: "GET THE FUCK OUT YOU COMMIE FAGGOT. SLAVS ARE RETARDED COMPARED TO US GLORIOUS ANGLOS. THEY CAN'T INTO BOMBS. STALIN AND ALL THOSE ASIATIC MONGRELS ARE OUR DANCING NIGGERS. WOO WEE."

It is based on theft. More to the point, it is based on restricting access to resources to just a few.
>There are only two breads, I'll take them both.
In capitalism people focus on generating resources.
>Let's figure out a way to make more bread.
Both are driven by greed, but one is distributive and one is constructive.

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Kek, literally everything

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>ideology

you are mistaken. idealists and ideology is based on principles originating in feelings and emotions.

dialectic materalism is not an ideology. rational discourse that refers to scientific principles is not "ideological"

>assuming humans are perfect

strawman argument. affordable education reduces crime and marginalizes it. i am not going to claim that socialism will get rid of ALL the crime.

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We are against the state. We don't want anyone ruling over us except ourselves.

>when you post a meme about soviet russia being communist when it was state capitalist and the workers did not own the means of production

Not sure why the USSR couldn't get out of a war economy

We are against the state. It's all about self-government. It's true freedom.

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>capitalism where people compete with their neighbors for jobs and resources isn't cannibalism

because reality is not directed by Michael Moore

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Capitalism doesn't require your consent, faggot.

When someone shoots a child, did they not do a good job at living?

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Communism is second only to Islam in fucking retarded, shitty, oppressive ideologies.

you'll be waiting for a long time nigga

Humans aren't equal

Also communism goes against the entire Biblical belief of working for your keep and having a clear hierarchy, so it's immediately a no go for me.

>let's ignore the famines under serfdom before there was any revolution
>rape genocide the congo is fine as long as conflict minerals are reaped in capitalist countries
>franco did nothing wrong
>ibm helping the nazis logistically function and tabulating information for the holocaust was fine
>world hunger under capitalism is cool

KILL YOURSELF FAGGOT

>money is imaginary
oh boy

The idea is that at some point we won't need any form of currency at all. It won't be something sudden and it certainly wasn't the case in "socialist" countries like the USSR and China.

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This or communist countries turn into dictatorships.

>competing for jobs is at the same level of boiling kids

wewest of lads

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Soros get off my board. You lost, fuck off. Or we'll make sure you see the inside of an oven yet.

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the ideal of a communist work is one where the state does not even need to exist, everyone knows each other like their own brothers and sisters, and everyone loves each other too, never taking more than they need and never supplying less than they are able. how is that not based on feeling and idealism?
humans are not perfect if they do undesirable things, such as commit acts of degeneracy or sin, more simply explained as anything done out of inherent selfishness, to benefit yourself and only yourself, refusing to make sacrifices for others
not sure why you randomly said "strawman argument"
also not sure why you're picking out this of all things instead of telling me why communism is actually a viable form of government, you filthy commie? i only vouch for communism under ideal circumstances where every human is perfect, if not that then i vouch for fascism since ancap also requires every human to be ideal for it to work out properly
the reason fascism is related to communism is because communism just wants to do what fascism wants to do but internationally. fascism wants the nation state and all its denizens to be beyond all importance, beset by enemies on all sides. communism however revolves around happy joy funtimes where everyone is a friend and nobody is the enemy in the whole international world. such a thing cannot work without enemies, humans need enemies, a goal, a purpose

>Not sure why the USSR couldn't get out of a war economy
The USSR was threatened by the rest of the world since its inception. And then America got the nuke and lorded it over them. Truman literally threatened to just nuke Moscow and remove the cockroaches of the communist scourge a few times.

FDR. Churchill. Hitler. Truman. They all tried to stomp the USSR out. FDR was later the one who acknowledged the validity of the USSR. But then Truman reneged on all of the promises made during the war and started beating the war drum and making the USSR the eternal enemy.

>big pharma keeping mj illegal stop kids with seizures from getting better is just fine, withholding care and social programs is "different"
>i can't into structural violence

>fascism is simply a superior version of communism where the people have absolute power and not some corruptable fucks in the state
Fascism is literally where the State has all the power, not the people

>soros
>the liberal capitalist who profits from liberals who push gun regulation

liberals are not leftists, bro

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>a working community is idealistic

oh, excuse me. i suppose we're suppose to fight our neighbors for jobs and resources. silly me. struggling is "scientific" apparently

>you filthy commie

oh i get it. you don't give a shit what anyone says.

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Communism is great if you want to overthrow a government but its a shit way to organize humans. Though communist space colonies would be kinda cool.

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>le big pharma memas
you guys are like stormfags, just replace "jews" with "capitalists"

Something tells me that you aren't trying to troll or being ironic. Please kill yourself.

why cant you lib commies ever look into this shit yourself? there are real life examples of how communism was a shitty idea. JUST GET A FUCKING JOB

>he read way into deep into the meme