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Is he ou... our goi..??

Who

nope

Literally who?

oh come on you know

It's TALEB dude

Taleb is a true genius.

Gibbons is vastly overrated, though.

Isn't Gibbon a bit outdated though? New discoveries and information since the late 1700s etc

Or is that just what the normies would have you believe?

>Gibbons is vastly overrated, though.

At the time he was writting, Gibbon (no S) was doing something completely innovative. It's no exaggeration to say that he defined the future shape of historical enquiry and pretty much invented the concept of Late Antiquity.

However, he wrote nearly 250 years ago. His work is massively outdated and its value nowadays is more for the light it sheds on Enlightenment scholarship than for anything it might have to say about Rome.

Already read it. It's beautiful. I read the cucked edition though, which doesn't contain all of the books. Fell into this trap with Wealth of Nations too.

Never read abridged versions of anything desu

Normies want you to read the version of a cucked modern historian. Gibbons is superior. He might be outdated at times but I think that's mostly in the 400 AD+ period where he relies on the work of weeping Christian monks too much.

His work about Rome is far far better than that of any modern historian. The books of Tom Holland are very good though, I can definitely recommend Rubicon and Dynasty (and all of his other books about antiquity).

> massively outdated

Give me some good examples because I think 'outdated' would suffice.

This. Getting an unabridged version is pretty hard with some classics, though.

Uneducated scum detected

Nah desu modern day scientists are pretty stupid
I rather read an encyclopaedia that acknowledges God created all life

Just read a textbook.

If I were to buy this buy Gibbons, which version would I buy?

yeah kinda what I thought, might get it. pretty expensive though
yeah they can be pretty expensive too, especially if they're in multiple parts, such as philosophy books

been meaning to get pic related which is abridged, otherwise it'll get pretty expensive

anyone read it?
lel no fucking way, if i wanted to read the average pleb liberal version of history, i'd just go do some internet highschool history course

It's GIBBON

he really should read an actual modern historian, not gibbon.
i suggest alberto angela

answer my question kebab remover

none

It's alright even though like 70% of his "research" was debunked

I'm not a Trump fan but comparing contemporary America to ancient Rome and using this tired trope "we're delicing like the Roman Empire!" is such a simplistic cliché

>ctrl f
>POO
>0 results

We're evolving

Get the Penguin editions - three volumes in all. Relatively cheap, although soft cover.

Taleb is unequivocally our guy; I'm surprised never to see him mentioned here.

His twitter is gold; he routinely BsTFO sham intellectuals and media hypocrites using raw data and intellectual brute force.

Tore Steven Pinkner a new asshole just a couple of weeks ago

thank you best common wealth, and thank you for coquito

>best commonwealth
>forgetting the British Commonwealth

I'll also add this shouldn't be a Gibbon thread since he's already been highly over-touted here for years.

Taleb is the only non-institutional (self-divested) intellectual I can think of who situates his popular work somewhere between economics, probability and systems theory

Who is the best guy to read on Rome now, you autistic faggot?

Will durant

Who the hell has time to read all that?

Men who want to know things beyond muh dick

>entering: hardcore Sup Forums

Didn't Rome muh dick itself into existence?

>Reading

Where do you even find space to store your books in your cuckshed?

Read and you shall find out

this

muh rome is a shit argument

No one made that argument though.

Rate my set Sup Forums

In the cartoon I just posted Robert Crumb made that argument

The German I responded to has heard that argument somewhere

The argument exists

>A Day in the Life of Ancient Rome

Good read or no?

Oh okay. You sure showed that image what was what.

IMAGE BTFO!

Does Gibbons tell the entire history of Rome or just the decline and fall?

Yes you are correct.
At the time he was revolutionary, I agree.

I meant to say that NOW there are far better books on the topic

No

tfw you get sad at knowing a lot of books written in roman times, including historical accounts, are lost forever

They stole and raped all their women.

If you have an interest in finding the intimate parallels between Western and Roman society, absolutely. Its's academic while still digestible. Expect to know everything from the mid-morning air quality to the ingredients used to style a Master's wife's hair

I didn't address Crumb, silly, I replied to the German guy saying I agree with him. It's a shit argument and a runned down cliche

On the other hand, you haven't even touched the argument, you seem more interested in who said what

Yeah its a sad feeling, the destructions of the library in alexandria probably destroyed hundreds of years of great books on the ancient world

imagine all the Iliads and Odyssey type books from all over the mediterranean and the near east and all the books and accounts written by historians

Nassim Taleb is pretty fucking based tbqh.

Didn't expect to see a thread about him on Sup Forums outside /biz/, however.

Only on Book one but he's starting with Trajan, so I assume starting at the climax and moving down the slope

...

>miss matched numbers on container and books

Fucking savage...

Real men, not manchild playing video games and watching porn.

that is probably just a legend, but yes the Rape of the Sabine women under Romulus involved them stealing another tribe's women

Do you fantasize on dribbling around Taleb's shaft when your done with your games? You sure sound like it.

Must have been a while considering he hasn't been telling people what he's been reading for quite some time.

Fucking muslim shitstains, and after that they dare to say that "europeans owe muslims a knowledge transmission".

I recently read a book about this meme by the way, it's called "Aristote au Mont Saint-Michel", it is written by Sylvain Gouguenheim a french historian.
The leftist medias and """academics""" went apeshit on it when it was published because it destroys this theory by showing that we never left our greek texts (there is an example with Pépin le Bref, the son of Charles Martel and frankish king in the late 700s, who asked and received a copy of Aristotle texts to the Pope).
Too bad it isn't translated in english.

WITNESSED

Imagine all the adventurers who wrote great tales of their travels. The men who traveled all through the silk road, telling the of life on the road and the people they met.

Imagine little Antonious who was born on the front with Germania, captured by the Germanians in a raid and grew up far north of the frontier. As an old man back in Rome, he tells the story of his incredible life.

Imagine the Greek merchant who lived his entire life travelling and trading along the the coast of Iberia.

Imagine the personal memoirs of Hannibal.

All gone.

Why even live when even Human knowledge is so fleeting.

Can anyone recommend a good documentary on the Fall of the Roman Empire?

I know the similarities are scary

>that we never left our greek texts

? Can you explain further?

Sounds interesting, gonna keep my eye out for an English translation. Although if it's not a particularly famous French writer, then I suppose it won't be translated.

Honorary Aryan/proto-poo

because someone built the pyramids, which are the opposite of fleeting
and that thermal anomaly is spoopy

>implying women of a defeated society can be """raped"""

Women are like sellswords and Walder Frey: they know when to jump from one side of a war to another. If their men lose, that means the opposing men are better and fitter, which means women will want them. They'll put up some token resistance and cry some crocodile tears...right before spreading their thighs and revealing their soaking wet cunts, hungry to be be fucked by hordes of invaders on piles of the corpses that were their husbands, fathers, brothers, sons, and countrymen a short while before.

I always tell people "If the roman empire can fall, america can fall". Seems more true now than ever with all of the happenings.
Why do our leaders want to destroy everything?

This is why I hoard knowledge. In case the worst happens and these low IQ, hyper-violent, disease ridden, walking anachronistic savages somehow win, I will not let them destroy these texts or purge the internet of them, if that's even possible.

I download everything I can onto many different backup devices, and I have a lot of books too. I will preserve this knowledge and wisdom as best I can, like a warrior monk.

God damn them. And god damn all those who allowed them inside Europe and the U.S.

sage but this....

Didn't Gibbon shit all over ERE because he didn't like it as much as the other periods of Rome?

There is a common notion pushed in schools since the 60s that the Middle Age was a terrible time, few british and american historians invented the "Dark Age" meme to qualify the time between the fall of Rome and the Renaissance that were supposedly dominated by christian obscurantism and barbary provoking the almost complete destruction of roman heritage in western Europe.

It was notably pushed by british historians since that the island was in a difficult situation until Guillaume conquest and later generalized to the entire continet.
The implication are that in this "chaos" we lost most of the knowledge that romans gathered and brought there during their domination and we went back to barbarism.

Of course it is horseshit, first because Britain was in a very different situation than the continent (during these times the frankish kingdom which was really prosperous and almost reestablished a power structure as powerful as Rome centered around the Rhine), secondly because Italy remained the cultural center of Europe and the Roman empire didn't collapse, Constantinople was still very much alive and rich with great greek scholars who didn't change anything about their habits.

it's true that the average western european had to move back from cities to the countryside in order to sustain himself (since Italy and Gaul didn't have the same access to Egyptian food like they used to under the Empire) but we didn't regress back to what is still said by some early XXth historians and works show that the credit we give to the muslim for triggering he Renaissance is incredbly overrated.

>take a greek/roman history course for gen ed
>find out one of the main reasons the empire fell is because they imported a bunch of foreigners and then gave them full rights and stopped holding their traditions, particularly those in court
It double redpilled me

It's only like 1500 pages, you could power through it in a month

Shit... LOTR is 1200 pages and I finished it in two weeks as a teenager during holiday.

I don't think these fuckers realize the knowledge and skills they could fathom if they spent more time reading and training actual skills rather than lurking and playing games...

> Isn't Gibbon a bit outdated though?
Name a better work written after.
Almost guaranteed trash.

Taleb's "Antifragile" should be required Sup Forums reading. He is, without a doubt, /our guy/.

Yes poobro, Nassim is based as hell. Everyone here should read The Black Swan.

Can you recomend me good books about Rome??

>huemonkey
>reading

Seems based.

Professor Gad Saad is absolutely our goy. Anyone who doesn't follow his absolutely brutal FB, Twitter, or Saad Truth series is missing out on intelligent bantz.

Your parents must be proud of you, I bet you were the tough guy during kindergarden.

dude I've beaten up more 5 year olds than you've had sex with

>a month

Give me the tldr on this mighty tome

Rome rose, and then it fell. The end.

t. Gibbons

hmm

Wouldn't be hard to topple 0
Now give me some names or gtfo

The good thing is that they are not Jews. I'm not sure about Gad, but Teleb has made a few dog whistles on his twitter, and is definitely awoken to the (((neo-con))) problem.

>The Fall of Rome: And the End of Civilization

The only name I knew 'em by was "lil' bitch".

fucking fascinating, thanks, user.

Rubicon by Tom Holland

SPQR: A History of Ancient Rome by Mary Beard

Quo Vadis by Henryk Sienkiewicz

The Twelve Caesars by Suetonius

The Romans: From Village to Empire: A History of Rome from Earliest Times to the End of the Western Empire (textbook)

The Classical World by Robin Lane Fox

And of course, OP's The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire

All these books are LENGTHY, so just spend the time choosing which you really want to dedicate your time towards.

I actually enjoy reading stuff like this, just finished Robison Crusoe and the Dialogues of Plato. I studied Latin in high school so Rome fascinates me. Can anyone recommend the best books on the entirety of the Roman Empire?

Thanks user. My christmas gift list just grew 10ft higher

You're welcome, fellow burger.

Modern Gibbon.

Best podcast out there.

Try Steven Saylors Roma and Empire

>MFW my name is Nasim