Welcome to /mlg/ - Marxism-Leninism general.
This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.
>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need.
>To acheive such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.
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ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:
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It is reccomended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.
Resources:
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It is sad how confused the young are. They have been mislead by the capitalist into their reactionary paranoia.
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No, fuck off commie.
the only good commie is a dead one
this desu
>Let's create an entire civilization where the lowest common denominator has the most power and is the most catered to; what could go wrong, lol?
How do you even plan to control 4 billion niggers, the future population of Africa by the end of the century? How do you mandate population control while simultaneously saying you're "empowering" and "liberating" the lowest classes?
The communist world barely held together in the last century; but now there's no way you can produce enough "intellectuals" to adequately control the retarded nigger masses. The best option is to revert to white nationalism, and seal off our nations before the tide hits.
How do you control the niggers while promoting a borderless world?
It doesn't matter what plans you make, you'd still be eaten from the inside. The third world is breeding at a rate at which they can't be controlled/educated enough to be converted to “civilized” Marxist drones. Muslims in the UK vote Labor because they give them free welfare checks; other than that they don't give a shit about British culture or the UK itself, and would see it become a caliphate in an instant.
>inb4: “we'll just implement iron-handed Stalinism!”
The vast majority of leftists are already bleeding-heart liberals and/or have anarchist leanings. They would never support tankie-style politics; and would actually call you fascists and protest against you. You’d never be able to form a strong enough coalition to defeat the right-wing/nationalist parties, and you’d never be able to scrub all the third-worlders of their inherent nationalism.
Face it, you're finished. Time to get on the right(wing), white side of history and dump your old Jewish scam ideology.
Still higher test than your average lefty.
>having power in a classless society
Looks like another inbred retard forgot to read the dictionary definition of communism before writing an enormous rant
We /back/?
Why not /left/ still?
I accept that communism is the next stage after capitalism, but that may not be for another hundred to five hundred years.
Basically I don't think communism should be revolutionary or forced upon people, or else you will end up with USSR 2.0 and all the other failed socialist states, it has to be a natural transition.
I agree with you, though it should preferably be by democratic means and obviously there are a lot of nondemocratic nations.
Democratic Socialism is just as cancerous and corrupt. Look at Mugabe and ZANU.
Hate to say it but he wasn't really a communist
Any thoughts on the Paris Commune in particular?
Reddit tier posting. Under this posts guidelines pic related is just as good as any other reaction pic.
>Communism is just a shitty meme
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The point was about Democratic Socialism.
Yeah, and Zimbabwe was not a democratic socialist country.
Officially it claimed to be.
That's because it's a raid.
Who also brag about our "cucked mods" allowing them to raid.
And it wasn't. The workers did not own the means of production, i.e. it was capitalist.
And are also spineless cowards.
What materiel should I get my wife's boyfriend to convince him Communisim is the way to go?
Everyone knows about your raid faggot
sageitty sage sage
Stop making ML generals, ML was state capitalism. Why do you want to teach Sup Forums about the shittiest form of Marxism?
What is Dictatorship of the Proletariat?
Daily reminder that Schirmer is an ancap philosopher, because equality is a sppoke ;^)
It's a theoretical workers "state" where the workers possessed the monopoly on power.
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Friendly fucking reminder you abo cuck
You can't link to Cripplechan faggot.
Communism will win, and no one here can offer up a proper refutation.
Prove me wrong.
>WAH KEEP Sup Forums MY ALT RIGHTS SAFE SPACE
Communism will fail once again because it takes everything from the kulak giving them no incentive to work.
Find a new board your scumbags. Stop trying to destroy Western civilization you faggots
Maybe this is too much for a cuck leftie to understand, but Sup Forums is not our 'safe space'. Sup Forums is our territory, which we are trying to defend from shills like you, just like the men of old defended the borders against invaders, back when the world was less cucked.
Of course, as a filthy leftist you wouldn't know anything about defending a bordes because muh current year, and much less about manliness. In short, kys.
Too bad. Defending with poor arguments isn't very pragmatic.
I am entitled to other people's stuff because I was I was born
Fuck off, you faggots.
Kek will make sure to give you what you deserve in time.
sage
DAILY REMINDER THAT HITLER AND MARX ARE BOTH TRASH. MUSSOLINI IS THE ONE TRUE LEADER OF Sup Forums
>all these stormfags asshurt that this thread exists
It almost archived anyway but you all fueled it back to the top.
>implying you came here to debate
Riddle me this; how can a classless society exist when some men are born superior to others?
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no one cares
sage
Checked
Mussolini ran a Socialist newspaper and was a literal rapist.
what exactly is the point in these threads? you post your links and then respond to everyones criticisms of your ideology with 'not real communism'. what exactly are you hoping to achieve?
proof?
Whats wrong with rape? Vikings do it all the time
Because class has absolutely nothing to do with how much money you have and everything to do with your relationship to the way society reproduces itself and creates wealth.
are you actually reading what you type
>implying people will stop being hierarchic simply because of automation
You see it since kindergarten; male kids try to prove to each other what they can do. Who can jump the highest, who can run the fastest, who can climb the highest. Why do they do this? Because this is how males determine who is more skilled and who is less skilled, so that each member of the group can have a role and a place in the hierarchy. Not to mention the assertion of dominancf through violence.
Automation will not stop this. We have evolved to be this way, we have been this way for millions of years.
Here's a source.
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This is the reporter he supposedly raped.
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Yes I am, and unlike you I have actually read Marx. Marx didn't define class based on some arbitrary amount of income, he defined it in terms of who controls production in that society. This manifested itself in private property rights controlled by the state, and a reserve army of labour that turned previous social relationships into those allowing the production of commodities to be split into necessary labour and surplus labour. It has nothing to do with how much you make.
Voluntary hierarchies are not opposed to socialism. That being said, I find it funny that you think neurotic behaviour would not be present in a neurotic society - which we very much live in.
Dude, thinking you can sell communism to Americans or anyone in the West or even anywhere else at this point is like thinking you will ever get the Muslim world to love Jews.
Why devote your time and energy to shilling for something that will never fucking happen? I just don't understand this mentality of vainly holding onto some stubborn attachment to something so unpopular and uncool and outdated as Marxism. It even just has the whole look and feel of some really musty, boring, dated idea from an era that will never ever come back.
It's like trying to sell Monarchism to Americans shortly after the American Revolution. Like, dude, learn to understand the time you're in. It's like you're trying to swim up a waterfall.
He's right.
The bourgeois are simply those who own the means of production. Some of them are billionaires, and some of them are billions of dollars in the hole and living on borrowed time in an unsustainable lifestyle soon to be kicked back down to being a prole.
You can distinguish between the bourgeois and the petty bourgeois, but that's a distinguishment of how precarious their position as bourgeois is (a small business owner is petty bourgeois, the theroetical sole owner of McDonald's is true bourgeois).
>excuse behaving like complete fucking animals as if we can't easily overcome natural instincts
>people.com
Yeah... people.com is a great source to back up your point, right next to the shitty article was this
There is no point in arguing with a German cuck, they will always be subhuman
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Read .
Money is a very recent thing. Class has been around for as long as humans have been around. The more skilled you were or the better your genes, the higher you were in society. When money came around, the smarter, the more cunning and/or the more agressive people would have more success making it. That, along with their better genes, would be left to their descendants.
Dropping ideological convictions in the face of uncertainty is the epitome of cowardice.
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>Stop trying to destroy Western civilization you faggots
We're trying to rebuild it after it has been sold out and turned into a shitty dance around that golden calf named money.
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>Voluntary hierarchies are not opposed to socialism.
Yes they are. They're one of the key, unavoidable factors that will always tear any socialistic attempt apart. People don't want to share or be equal. Hell, WOMEN don't even want this.
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>not having an authoritarian state control all of the means of production and not following some ideologue's manifesto to the tee is behaving like complete fucking animals
>humans should be expected not to behave like animals, despite literally being animals
communists, ladies and gentlemen. How's that socialist government doing for you, Italy?
What did you just call me boy? a cuck? now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time. Fact is, you don't even have the faintest clue what "cucking" is. Yeah I've done the cucking and I''ve been cucked, this aint my first rodeo, boy. Do you think dropping the c-word a few times is enough to make your point? Oh, brother! you don't even know where the cucking ends. We're in the cuck club, and every day our cuck caravan encroaches ever closer to your precious "homeland" we'll cuck you out of this board, just like you were cucked by /u/spez on reddit, and we'll use our cuck power to send millions more immigrants to cuck you in your home in Germany, where they already have strong hatespeach laws in their cuck code. You're going to get cucked, and because you hate that you're being cucked, you'll be getting cucked all the harder. you try so hard to remain uncucked, but it doesn't work. we on the otherhand embrace the cuck, cherish it, and because we want the cuck, when we get cucked, we aren't really being cucked, but revolutionarily liberated. so prepared for it, the cuck stops here.
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This is actually one of the reasons a commie utopia is completely fucking retarded. Like what led to the French Revolution that is warring on what you hate.
A government & it's higher ups in a communist state IS a class above the people. The top people in government have different goals and priorities than its citizens. You get a situation where Ninety nine percent of the poplulation is the bottom class.
Another thing is that classes occur naturally in any developed society because of differences. Do you think honestly that the position of a doctor is just as important as a fast food server? There is a reason one is prized above the other and that is because one is clearly superior and deserves to be recognized as such.
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> Educate yourself before talking about communism
Just like listening to mudslimes about Islam.
> Oh that's not real communism/islam
> Oh read the dictionary/quran so you know what communism/islam is
> Oh #NotAllCommunists/Muslims
Identical conversion methods. You will have lots of luck here. Carry on.
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Then there is no difference between white people and black people, since we're all animals.
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The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
It's not cowardice to learn from feedback and experimentation when a model is faulty. Clinging onto one with such inherent flaws and disastrous outcomes is not only stupid and insane, it's morally despicable.
Which is to say that those who cling to Communist ideas are either idiots, fools, or psychotics.
There is a very big difference between trying to force the narrative in your direction, and not wanting dissent.
You fucking flood our board in some gay attempt to change our minds, only to be shocked and bitchy when we tell you to fuck off.
There seems to be something wrong with you.
> Then there is no difference between white people and black people
Exactly. Observe how blacks act in capitalistic societies. In your ''communism'' scenario, imagine that behavior by EVERYONE. Enjoy
Listen, I don't care how you define "class". Marx had a very specific definition of class, and that is rooted in who controls production, and how they control it. This is the definition we still stick with, unless of course you have another word you find more comforting. Whatever previously conceived notions you have about class, wipe that clean and replace it with this:
>The dynamics between the group of people who control the means of production, and mean of sustenance for a given society, and the group that does not.
This is Marx's definition of class - someone being smarter, or funnier, or a better musician has absolutely nothing to do with class.
What? I don't understand the point you're making?
I'm not an ML and reject the OP for making a ML general. I am however a libertarian Marxist and decided to join the thread because it's the most active /left/ thread right now. I agree, ML has failed and wasn't even faithful to Marx's writings to begin with. Why are you assuming 20th century communism was an orthodox application of Marx's theories? To be clear: I am saying it wasn't "real socialism". I am not however saying, "real communism has never been tried" - because they did try communism. I just think they tried it wrong.
>poor people in the US would be better off if their government followed my gay religion!11
Yeah, that's what Marxists really believe. Isn't it idiotic?
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KILL YOURSELF FAGGOT
Ah, so you'd prefer we were all test-tube babies, programmed like robots with no sense in skill, just so we don't accidentally shame that one retard who can't wipe their own ass like the rest of us?
Boo hoo. Read animal farm; your Gommunism will not ever work. Ever.
>The dynamics between the group of people who control the means of production, and mean of sustenance for a given society, and the group that does not.
How are they relevant distinctions in the 21st century? Almost anyone can join either class if they want to and are talented enough.
But how is society supposed to be classless when there is a hierarchy?
Read Plato's Chariot allegory you cuck. I swear, you Italians are the definition of cuckservatives, too intellectual for your own good.
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Kys
>There is a very big difference between trying to force the narrative in your direction, and not wanting dissent.
They're not just wanting to force the narrative. They want to turn Sup Forums into yet another of their toxic shitplaces where dissidents are reported to oblivion. Classic hypocrisy.
>that poster
>intellectual
maybe they're right about you, germany. Maybe you are a retard
is there anything more predictable than commie behaviour?
I wonder what sort of board pol will turn into if a fucking commie gets mod here
This though this guy gets it. It's a meme ideology. We tried every fucking flavour of communism none of them worked but "not real communists". God id love to see how fast your views changed after a few weeks wiping your asses with leaves in Venezuela for muh revolution.
Fuck I hate commies... The world will never belong to you. You had your chance.