Cultural Separatism NOW!

In America today, assimilation means integrating into a shitty cultue of multiracialism, Black thug culture and music being standard fair, etc. How can we keep from assimilating into the mainstream? Well, we need to differentiate ourselves from it, somehow. The orthodox Jews and Amish seem to know what's what. Not that we should just go full Amish, but really, White people need to have our own culture, and the mainstream no longer represents us.

We need to make an alternative.

>INB4 INNA WOODS LEL
You'll be wishing you listened to me when your daughter "assimilates" into Ameribrazil in the 2050s and the only thing she knows about old White America was that it is that "it was le oppressive ray cism"

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If we can't have White countries, we at least need to ensure maximum non-assimilation by Whites into the future brown melting pot, which means forming a countercultural or subculture which is distinct enough to not be swallowed whole by the mainstream (shitstream).

Whites are extremely unlucky in that we have no separate culture since the mainstream culture is a degenerate version of what was once our exclusive culture.

>INB4 WHITE ISN'T LE REAL IDENTITY
Fuck off with that shit, por favor

The alternative is ethno-nationalism, faggot

>implying you're contradicting me at all
No shit Shylock, but I'm saying that before we can become ethnonationalist (is we are ever able to) we need an alternative culture of separatism.

We want physical land for our people, but if we can't get it, we can't just accept extinction.

Get it now, user?

if*

>mfw I read this comment

We try to get it peacefully, through the current political system. If all else fails, we fight for it.

Still not contradicting me. I'm all for that, but also White kids are being born and raised in this piece of shit multiracial PC culture. We need a White separate culture which will actually help build ethnonationalism.

If Whites just get absorbed into the shitty mainstream American culture, it will be a lot harder to rally them for ethnonationalism.

>implying I'm wrong
topkek

Burgerbro he is laying out the fucking gameplan if it doesn't work out perfectly. there is nothing wrong with that. Well OP the first thing you need is an identified common identity, and dont just say whiteness in and of itself because people don't necessarily form around those lines strictly speaking.

The Amish have a perfect insular society due to the degree they are connected by the matrix of race, religion and language and the staunch denial of anything that compromises the last two. I highly doubt they actively try to keep a 1488 mindset, they run more on "i want my children to look like me, and also to be nice religious hard working boys".

>We need a White separate culture which will actually help build ethnonationalism.
Find one or create one, plebbit tier faggot
>inb4 lel, still not contradicting me

Further example is the basque. They didn't rally around a racial identity because their enemies were more or less white like them. They may have understood on some atavistic level, or through myth, that they are actually genetically distinct from the Franks around them but they never said, OK Basques, let us whites get together and preserve our enclave!

No, instead it was based on common folklore, religion and language serving as the backdrop for marrying within the cultural community.

Holy fuck dude he is trying to find one or talk about creating one right now. As it stands there are very few self aware white communities in America, by that I mean an insular community that is distinct from the rest and acknowledges it and the desire to preserve it and thus act as a proxy for the white race as a whole.

>The Amish have a perfect insular society due to the degree they are connected by the matrix of race, religion and language and the staunch denial of anything that compromises the last two. I highly doubt they actively try to keep a 1488 mindset, they run more on "i want my children to look like me, and also to be nice religious hard working boys".
Well yea, of course

>Well OP the first thing you need is an identified common identity, and dont just say whiteness in and of itself because people don't necessarily form around those lines strictly speaking.
Well White is not meaningful enough. I'm thinking we either go with European or something else. The reality is that American culture is and has always been essentially a White culture, but the term "American" has been hijacked. The point of all of this is that we need a separatist mindset before we can achieve separatism politically. We just need to raise our children to despise and loathe PC and to feel proud of the great history of White people in America.

Maybe Amerikaner is the right terminology, maybe European.

We'll have to think about it.

You're just an idiot m8.
>implying Plebbit wants to stoke White separatism

This is a call for racially conscious Whites to CREATE a separatist culture. ffs

>dividing your power willingly
mainstream culture just needs to be fixed. if you want to larp as a small central european group that's fine with me. i'm english though so i know my culture is the basis for america.

>Amerikaner
I like the sound of that.

>Well White is not meaningful enough. I'm thinking we either go with European or something else. The reality is that American culture is and has always been essentially a White culture, but the term "American" has been hijacked.

Very true. American is distinctly an Anglo/Germanic/Celtic identity. This shouldn't leave out the French or Spanish settlers IMHO, because they struggled as hard as we did and have created communities that still exist today and are at great risk of dying out. At the same time, those small ethnics are also the same that can survive us generic "white americans" due to an acknowledged difference.

Two examples are the (White) Creoles and (White) Spanish of New Mexico. These two groups are at risk of being bred out but at the same time are very aware of themselves as a distinct and rare community. Generic White Americans / WASPS don't really have that.

We've been indoctrinated to believe that WASP is by definition a lack of culture or identifying traits.

If we had our own separate language, customs and clothing it could help. We could be like the Jews in that regard, maintaining an ethnic community with the ability to be more or less assimilated, but with the main thrust of the ethnic culture being anti-assimilationist,

White groups like this exist but they aren't *yet* conscious of the need for Whites to unite in this time of extreme demographic change,

IMHO if done right some Amish and other insular White groups could be brought over to an ethnonationalist POV, but it would require no "Neo Nazi"-tier bullshit to set them off.

Uh. The fuck. The mainstream nonwhite elements aren't us and they aren't our power, they're themselves. I don't see how you can even argue that White cultural segregation would result in any less political power than we have now.

Also ffs the separate culture can be Anglo if you please, it's up to you.

>White groups like this exist but they aren't *yet* conscious of the need for Whites to unite in this time of extreme demographic change,

This is exactly what I mean with the Creole and Spanish in America. Or even the Finnlanders in the UP of Michigan. They are aware they are distinct. But most white americans are, again, Generically White. Many have lost their Germanic identity.

One notable exception is the Appalachian / Southern Scots-Irishmen who regard themselves exclusively as American. Unfortunately they are the butt of every anti-white joke and sentiment that exists, but out of all the ethnics they are the strongest imho.

Whites on some level think that we are just default "generic humans". Ironically, this incorrect self-belief is claimed to be part of "White privilege" by "whiteness studies" academician dumbfucks.

American culture will represent us less and less in coming years, so we need some kind of organization and rituals, which would normally be churches, but of course... well you know that's not possible at this point.

"Amerikaner" seems like the best option at this point, as well as implying solidarity with White South Africans.

I think a raising awareness campaign of "we exist" would be effective. Frame White people as a group that is distinct, and under pressure and unfairly judged, etc.

We need to humanize Whites in the eyes of other Whites.

That's huge. White identity can't be "supremacist" it has to appeal to sympathy so that the myth of "White identity is just oppression" can finally die.

nah i'd rather just be mainstream. cuck yourself if you want.

>We need to humanize Whites in the eyes of other Whites.

You mean play the victim? To a degree, that just might work. Your buzzword of "we exist" fits in nicely with the pseudo-fascists at AmVanguard, the "we have a right to exist". I Myself am not fashy but we're united in the understanding of demographic reality so there's that.

Basically we need to break the conditioning that every single bad thing ever to happen to anybody, ever at any time was the fault of whites, especially white men.

Church would be a great way to create common ritual, but the Church is half the problem nowadays thanks to its Dodd marxist infiltration. Many WN's are pagans. I don't like it but whatever.

then get the fuck out, degenerate normie. Mainstream is cuckolding and interracial gay child rape for profit, have you ever seen a pop star?

>You're just an idiot m8.
Wrong. My answers were honest and vague with a facetious tone. I baited the thread to give it a kick-start. You're fucking welcome. It's a worthwhile topic

>maintaining a distinctive culture, customs and genetic traits is cucked
>not assimilating into one of the most cucked cultures on earth is cucking
Uh. I think you need a fucking dictionary m88

This is literally among the top 10 dumbest posts of all Sup Forums history

"play the victim" has such a nasty connotation, just point out real suffering and BS that whites have to deal with, NOT to get nonwhites to love us, but to make other whites realize that it's the right thing to do to love our people. The problem is that the mainstream will always lie and claim that any kind of White identity is evil and wrong, we need to signal to other Whites that we are defenders of innocent people and also that we love justice.

The anti whites will try to signal endlessly that we are sadistic, hateful and twisted. This is why they scream "SUPREMACY" at posters that just say "We have a right to exist". So yea, I like what AmVan is doing even though imho those posters are too "NS-like", which isn't needed.

Just muh 2 cents, faam

Well thanks I guess. You dun good kid

jesus Christ. American identity is white. You're throwing away 300 years of history to larp as a european. kill yourself.

European=/=European from Europe.

We are literally indigenous to Europe. Also try to tell 99% of people that American identity is only something Whites can have, it won't work.

We didn't abandon America, America abandoned us.

Face facts m88

WHAT are you going on about you stupid fucking retard. GTFO out of this thread jesus fuck you're retarded.

>The problem is that the mainstream will always lie and claim that any kind of White identity is evil and wrong, we need to signal to other Whites that we are defenders of innocent people and also that we love justice.

Agreed. But the conditioning is so hard to break through. One thing we need, as a whole, to do as make sure to homeschool our children or at least filter what they are learning at school and frame it in a way that makes sense. Otherwise it's going to be indoctrination city.

Do you know the Wolves of Vinland? I call them the larpers of Vinland but i can't talk too much shit because they're legitimately creating a tribe for themselves that will likely outlive any happening.

>Church would be a great way to create common ritual, but the Church is half the problem nowadays thanks to its Dodd marxist infiltration. Many WN's are pagans. I don't like it but whatever.
just an idea

We should have WN meetups but in beautiful buildings where our culture can be passed on, and would be environments in which debates about anything religious or divisive would be officially banned.

I think we could make it work, just get our people together.

The religious question comes later, right now it should be top priority to kill any and all divisive debates about it.

surprised by the pedantic response. good one.

as a whole we need to stop punching to the right because it makes me want to give up altogether.
>some faggot makes a name for himself
>le controlled opposition
>le cuck what a cuck hoho
>le awt wight hoho

We can't get anything done due to some sort of sick purity spiral.

keep telling yourself mainstream is distinctly anglo/western when Miley Cyrus is twerking her disgusting naked body on some thug to a audience of little girls. That's what OP is trying to create a dialogue about.

where to cop militarized Amish community?

>We've been indoctrinated to believe that WASP is by definition a lack of culture or identifying traits.
That's a twofold problem right there. First, you're asking a fish to describe water. How can he know without contrast, without leaving the water and experiencing a different environment? But also, we've been subverted. What we live in now isn't white culture, it's centralized consumer culture. Early on in this country, it was dominated by smaller tight knit communities, often centered around a church and an industry. I guess a fitting question is how to return to that.

Actually look into this group called... irminfolk, it's in NY. It's basically a white pagan tribal group and they seem to have a lot of kids. Also we need to be so good at uncucking our kids that even public education won't ruin them, IF homeschooling becomes illegal, which is possible.

We need to make it so that the idea that Whites are bad/racist is so obviously laughable and repugnant that it has no ability to sway our people. We can make that happen, too, imho.

Anti White PC survives through stories about le ebil racism. We need to tell the story about evil "anti racism" and antiwhites. If we can get this attitude entrenched, it would be hard to unseat it.

he's talking about adopting a fake white stereotype to identify with. i'm already identified with the people that made this country. but keep cucking yourselves into thinking the basque are important.

Standard FARE you fucking retard. It's not a fair, there are no corndogs or pony rides. How much do you live your culture when you don't even take the care to practice it well?

I actually spent some time in a Mennonite community in Montana. They were some of the best people I've ever met. Definition of an ideal, traditionalist community. And to further my argument of whiteness itself being too weak of a identity, never in a million years would or any of us be welcomed into their insular community because we didn't speak their tongue, their religion was alien and we weren't connected (genetically) to their kin in any way.

We need things like that.

Have you watched Century of the Self? Mandatory viewing that hits on what youre talking about.

Irminfolk, bunch of pagan larpers nice. Again not talking shit because they're building a community and i'm here shitposting on Sup Forums. They're on the right path.

>he's talking about adopting a fake white stereotype to identify with.
No I'm not. You're making shit up.

>Irminfolk, bunch of pagan larpers nice. Again not talking shit because they're building a community and i'm here shitposting on Sup Forums. They're on the right path.
They might be larpers and yea it's a bit cringe... but they are raising redpilled kids who will keep their race and some semblance of White culture alive.

>keep telling yourself mainstream is distinctly anglo/western when Miley Cyrus is twerking her disgusting naked body on some thug to a audience of little girls. That's what OP is trying to create a dialogue about.
exactly this. Well put, user

>but keep cucking yourselves into thinking the basque are important.
hurr durr tribal groupings can never be insignificant

>he hasn't heard of the Black Caucus
>he hasn't heard of Jews

topkek it's like you think tribalism means wearing loincloths and chucking spears.

There are more ginger Jews than I thought

>never in a million years would or any of us be welcomed into their insular community because we didn't speak their tongue, their religion was alien and we weren't connected (genetically) to their kin in any way.
Ironically I probably would because my dad's dad's dad was Amish and I have Amish Bibles in German. Sometimes I think I should go back.

Amish are implicitly ethnonationalists. Every generation their population doubles. They may become big enough to be a real political powerbloc, someday.

>century of the self
Yeah, I had that documentary in mind when I posted my comment. Definitely required viewing for newfags.
youtube.com/watch?v=eJ3RzGoQC4s

>dispense with the white = bad/racist myth
I'd agree with that. The only two options that come to mind for making that happen are full dose of red pills (including the kikes), and reactionary self defense.

Basically we need to start our own personal 'tribes', and by that i simply mean tight knit community of like minds with common rituals and mindset. Don't even make it explicitly racial because, again, that's not even a solid basis in and of itself to base your society on but make it certainly implicitly racial in the sense that you're not going to black neighborhoods to recruit. Once you have your SHTF crew, start networking with other people across the country. Even contact the Wolves or Irminlarp or whatever just to get your name out there.

Make sure every member of your small crew is educated and redpilled, by that I don't mean college educated or even 'book smart', but ensure they are smart and balanced, understand subversion, marxism and globalism.

Also we ourselves need to be fit, well groomed and well read. Able to use firearms and box, at least.

>(including the kikes), and reactionary self defense.
leave the jews out of it at first. i don't ever use that term because it's the easiest way to get a normie who might lean your way in time to discredit you completely. use banking cartels, international institutions, globalists, whatever, just don't edge into illuminati or conspiritorial bullshit even if its TRUE because it's simply unnecessary when there are other shibboleths you can use to get people on your team.

The whitey=evil meme is very stupid and easily destroyed, the only problem is that whenever you try to counter it then people will be like "OMG WHY DO YOU CARE? ARE YOU RAAAACIST?".

Educate heavily about military history of Arabs, Mongols and other conquering groups.

We need to strongly encourage marrying young (I mean at 18, not underage people) and having big families. The fact that Whites don't already do this is a big reason we're fucked. Tribes continue by behaving that way (focusing on young love and high rates of childbirth).

And yea we need to practice some taqqiyah, don't be autistic like DURR WE'RE PRESERVING OUR RACE, just be a tribe and live and perpetuate your ideology and culture, little by little. It may be many decades before SHTF. We have time to create our tribal mindset. Just cooperating with the mainstream is no longer an option imo. Also creating a counterculture is easier than ever with the internet and the ability to have hours of video of whatever you want.

Create an alternative ethos and have certain things that everyone knows
>like everyone maybe knows Yuri Bezmenov in your tribe

The possibilities=endless.

You have ethnic cultures, jsut abandoned them because of urbanisation and industrialization. Just start practicing it.

i can smell their shitty cut dicks from here

>marrying young (I mean at 18, not underage people) and having big families
Before that, our new civic nationalist Emperor needs to get us jobs. But i totally agree.

> just be a tribe and live and perpetuate your ideology and culture, little by little. It may be many decades before SHTF. We have time to create our tribal mindset.
This is exactly what we need to do. Do you listen to the Pressure Project? They were my first redpill. These two martial arts guys from the Bronx who are very redpilled on matters of race and tribe. I recommend listening to them. They were my gateway into Latsbrah, Jack Donovan, Wolves of Vinland, Red Ice Radio, all that.

>>like everyone maybe knows Yuri Bezmenov in tribe
Fuck, can you imagine the possibilities?

>You have ethnic cultures, jsut abandoned them because of urbanisation and industrialization. Just start practicing it.
Yes, but not just industrialization, but a concerted effort with international consumer 'culture'

Part of the issue with starting families is women's lib, and economics. The girls need to be groomed (bad word, I know) from a young age that traditional duties are the best way to go and the way to live the most fulfilling life. Home schooling can help in that it prevents brainwashing, but you have to have a wife who's fully on board to do that. Self-sufficiency can help mitigate the economic factors

>The girls need to be groomed (bad word, I know) from a young age that traditional duties are the best way to go and the way to live the most fulfilling life. Home schooling can help in that it prevents brainwashing, but you have to have a wife who's fully on board to do that. Self-sufficiency can help mitigate the economic factors
This is exactly right. Anyone who doesn't get that is not truly redpilled. You need to be making babies to carry on your values of you're fucked.

And you need women who won't femicuck out on you about it.

Also we need to be more tolerant, frankly, of a little poverty. Trading having more kids for a slightly more comfortable existence is a bad deal.

Poverty can be harnessed (if we are unlucky enough to fall into it) to be a source of strength, instead of weakness. Past generations of Whites lived in much shittier conditions than most of us do, and they were mentally tougher, too.

also, teach all Whites, especially kids both girl and boy to value sacrifice and stoicism. We're gonna need to be tougher. Whites today are mental midgets compared to just 50-100 yrs ago.

>Also we need to be more tolerant, frankly, of a little poverty.
Preaching to the choir. I totally agree with that. Strong men good times and all that.

>Yfw you realise feminism and multiculturalism were shit tests and you failed so badly that you're now projected to become a minority in your own country

that pic hit me in the feels

We failed because at the time it was easy to just ignore the provlem. Most people will only make an effort if they're forced to by circumstance.

>strongly encourage marrying young (I mean at 18, not underage people
Fwiw, 100 years ago, girls commonly got married as young as 12 (I think 14-15 was the mean). Nowadays, girls aren't getting married until their 20's. Their 10 best breeding years ignored, flushed down the toilet. Makes me wonder if age of consent laws are another jewish trick, but I never investigated that specific aspect.

also just another thing to note...

European nations have always opposed mass immigration, the thing that let the left win was by convincing younger generations it was cool to hate on their elders for opposing immigration.

Younger people were made to believe that past opposition to immigration was based on "hate" and Neo Nazis gave them the optics they needed to make this seem true.

I agree with you m8 but also I think it's just easier if we say "marry at 18" since 18 would be a huge improvement, also it doesn't allow our critics to go all "YALL PEDOFILES N SHEET" on us.

Also I'm pretty sure it's legal for two 16 yr olds to get married to each other with parental consent.

Just because you've turned into a fat, degenerate slob doesn't abdicate your responsibility to get healthy again. Saying "I'll do it tomorrow" doesn't help, it just created an even bigger mess.

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we really need to slam the image of not hating other groups, but of loving our own. but that first means defining what 'our' group means.

Bem deito!

Yeah. Have to pick our battles carefully at the moment. It was food for thought. Removing age of consent isn't a priority, at least not right now. Building community with like-minded is prob best thing for now. Makes me consider trying to sign on for the TRS book club or something like that. Kinda hard tho, when you've never asked for a forum invite.

Pic unrelated
I got real life shit to do now. Hope this thread stays alive

No shit, well I want to empower our people as much as possible. The brainwashing is very deep and hard to overcome, though. But the fact is that there are more White people who think like we do than there have been in 50 yrs, pretty much.

We're White Americans but what do we call each other? I really think Amerikaner is the best bet right now.

And as "Amerikaners" we can look back proudly on most of American history as our heritage, something that nonwhites can't really do.

I also think that the narrative of "We were born into a group brainwashed to hate itself and its past" is powerful and it has the ability to become a founding myth for "our" group

Instead of creating a whole new movement why not just bring back the Klan?

It would at least trigger the normies

are you motherfucking kidding me?

If you think that would work, you don't know a damn thing. We want to convert and change White normies, not scare them the fuck off and into the arms of Schlomo, which is exactly what that would do.

Hating the KKK? No. Becoming? No. That would be stupid AF.

Have many white children. Live in rural area if possible. Destroy your TV. Acquire as many pre-1990 childrens/young adult good books as possible. Consume medieval, renaissance, and classical music and art. Connect with extended family and older generations. Find some sort of orthodox /traditional church. Get your kids out into nature.

As a side note, is Alex Jones /our guy/?

m.youtube.com/watch?v=uB1UldUg-r4

Based on a lot of issues? Yes

White nationalist? No.

Kind of crazy/kooky/tinfoil? Uh, yea.

Jones isn't ourguy but he's isn't (((their))) guy either

Where' the OC at boys? What do we call this? We should make this thread a regular thing. This is beyond generic white nationalism imho because, again, the simple act of being white means shit all to most Americans if we don't connotate transcendent aspects to it.

Wasted a lot of time trying to make you look less intransigent.

I'm worried by the same things and for the same reasons.

We need to stop the enforcing of multiculturalism, and we can only do it by information warfare.

I'm just playing devils advocate here.
But their white robes look badass. What's more terrifying than a white man with a mask and no shits given. And they already have a lot of cultural cache. Sure it would trigger a lot of people, but it might push white nationalism back into the mainstream by pushing the boundaries of acceptable discourse.

Whites have to get their balls back one way or another

There's no easy answer, the best is Amerikaner since American has been hijacked. "American" used to be a transcendent White identity.

We could call this Amerikaner awakening or like White tribalism, dunno. Use old patriotic symbolism (not like retarded MURIKA stuff but like maybe stuff from the early 1900s)

It's something we'll have to think about.

It's a shame. Niggers and spics have infested the best and most desirable places in the country and turned them into literal shitholes.

I never go to the movies anymore, as it's all shit and marxist propaganda, but I make an exception for Ryan Gosling movies as they are always red pilled as fuck. Recently he's done a few back to back set in L.A. back in the 50s. I almost want to cry, everyone is white, clean, weather is perfect, every friendly and just trying to make it.

Look at what shitskins did to L.A. Fuck. The only answer is a complete purging at this point, but it will never happen. We just have to watch as more and more of our country is ruined by these subhumans until nothing is left.

Yea but the KKK is easily parodied and they look like a bunch of guys trying to seem like ghosts. You honestly don't get it if you think this would work, at all.

Being KKK isn't pushing the boundaries it's SOLIDIFYING boundaries, since most Whites will react by siding with nonwhites.

The KKK is a joke among most WNists for a reason.

>not working to tribalize Whites
Come on, we need to tribalize and organize for survival. No use crying over this.

We can't mass deport them right now, but what we can do is become stronger and more united in our own lives. Join us

Are you a German or Spanish Chileno? Or just a nationalist native?

I really like Amerikaner. I speak German, Ami is short hand for Amerikaner. I like it. We need to appeal to both urban whites who lean redpilled but also accessible to, sorry to say, middle class nebraskan normies in the general messaging.

First of all the KKK are faggots and I don't want to be associated with dudes that really did go out and lynch niggers. Look, it's fun to larp but my whole point is about loving our own people not hating others. The KKK are straight up cartoon characters.

> but I make an exception for Ryan Gosling movies as they are always red pilled as fuck
Not redpilled but aesthetic and autistic, forsure. Drive he's a cuckold, or, is cucking, idk. Place Beyond the Pines (my favorite movie of his) he's a deadbeat piece of shit. Only God Forgives he's a foolish degenerate.

Just be willing to say we're not Nazis and not KKK. Why? Because some honest Whites who want to become pro-White will feel good knowing "o they aren't KKK or nazi".

WNism needs to just be willing to say that, it isn't cucking to do that

>I really like Amerikaner.
Also this shows we are in solidarity with White south africans and their struggle. It's easy as fuck to promote the idea of White South Africans being victims, even the BBC has sort of admitted it now

Over time different White groups in the world need to be allied, that isn't to say we all must homogenize into generic "White" either.

Make sure to heartily laugh at the idea that German culture is implicitly Nazi or something.

Yeah the KKK is the last thing we want to associate with. This isn't about triggering normies or being edgy then teleporting behind a nog and saying "heh, nothing personal nig"

It really comes down to "We have a right to exist". Leave the 1488 stuff to the Nazi larpers. IDK that's my main issue with the whole thing, is the normie triggering unironic fascism. I am not triggered by it but damn if it's not ever going to have appeal outside of an anonymous seltzer water flavoring board.

When redpilling friends or family, we always start slow and accessible.

I dunno mayne, you may be right. Maybe whites are too cucked at this stage to react positively. If Hillary had won I would be the first person to agree with you. But in a couple of years into the Trump presidency and a few more chimp outs under our belt, anything is possible. There's only so much anti-white rhetoric we can take before race gets pushed back onto the agenda. When that happens, it's everything to play for. We just need something to nudge us out of our complacency.

I mean I don't even think that the KKK is reacting positively, it's just playing into a stereotype.

We have to kill the idea that White advocacy is evil, right now most Whites assume that being pro-White is some kind of evil thing. Just help to kill that idea and more of them are joining us every day. Ironic fascist meme-ing is helping us to change things.

THe problem is when it gets autistic and literal.

Whatever works the best, I have no intention to show my face anyway.

If you pretend to promote nationalism, you have to be able to promote it everywhere, globalism affect us all, and censorship laws are on the way in order to prevent us to do something about it.

Guns.

Whites are unequivocally superior at guns than all others combined.

I agree. Believe it or not I am a staunch multiculturalist in the sense that I believe every nation/volk has the right to exist and affirm itself. I'm not a relativist though so savage Africans cutting clits is bullshit but at the same time that's them, we are us.

So do we go heavy on the sort of Anglo/German heritage thing? The Amerikaner name implies that. And yes, the Afrikaaners are definitely getting fucked. We need to make it common knowledge that the Afrikaaners are being oppressed heavily and break the conditioning on that (oh they deserve it!) type mindset.

American culture? Like Shitty beer, walmart, big macs?

I agree with your general sentiment, and I also agree that the KKK is considered too extreme in the eyes of normies to gain traction. But I also fear that anything but full blown white nationalism is inevitably bound to fail at this point.

The trouble with the 'alt light' is that it's subject to the slave morality that Nietzsche spoke of. Either you accept white nationalism in its entirety (master morality) and rise above petty moral qualms or you don't bother with it at all. You can't have your cake and eat it.

Civic nationalism/accepting anything BUT white superiority implicitly suggests white inferiority. That's why the SJWs have been so successful. Because they know that they can pull out the magic racism card at any time to win the argument.

I agree we don't cuck out. But I don't think we should GAS THE KIKES RACE WAR NOW. Even the AmVan stuff is just too fucking edgy for most people. AmVan has its place and im glad they exist, because men, as natural risk takers, will be attracted to that. But in the meantime all white communities in South Dakota need to get on board, though they are by default.

The starting small and with ourselves is the first step. I would hope that would be implied by Sup Forums as a whole that you should be constantly iproving yourself and working towards building a tribe/family/community.

No like English Common Law and respecting private property. A pioneering and subdued violent spirit tempered by strong faith and self sacrifice for the community he lives in.

>But I also fear that anything but full blown white nationalism is inevitably bound to fail at this point.
Implying that fullblown WNism is only the KKK. you can be fullblown WN but do it in a smart way. KKK-ing won't win it just triggers people.

>Civic nationalism/accepting anything BUT white superiority implicitly suggests white inferiority. That's why the SJWs have been so successful. Because they know that they can pull out the magic racism card at any time to win the argument.
Stop focusing on other groups, focus on ourselves. We don't have to compare ourselves to others. We need to value our own people without it being because "well we are better than X group". Back people don't think they have to argue that they're a superior group to be pro-Black, why do we think we have to?

The whole "superior race" meme has to die. We must defend our people because they're OUR PEOPLE not because they're "BETTER THAN X PEOPLE"

Hows that powdered wig, itchy?

>AmVan has its place and im glad they exist, because men, as natural risk takers, will be attracted to that. But in the meantime all white communities in South Dakota need to get on board, though they are by default.
AmVan should make a very normie friendly website to send fucktons of people and just keep on sending those fliers out.

No need for the fashy aesthetic, at all. You can be aesthetically awesome and rightwing within harkening back to 1930s fascism. Kind of annoying.

Irish descent, guess Ill get drunk. Also works for Russia

I've actually beeen giving this a lot of thought. We need some sort of religion that isnt open to others. Use of an alternate like swedish dutch or german would help as well. It would be nice to be able to live in cities like orthodox hews do. Not everyone wants to live in north dakota or montana. There is something about living in diverse cities that seems to strenghten the orthodox jews' group identity. We also would need to get women on board - which the pro white movement as a whole consistently fails to do.

The jews do it easily bc they have a religious text that excludes. We need something similar that wont be written off as religious quackery

Glad you feel the same way. It's engineered in our brains since childhood to associate that type of art with the guys we shoot in the shooter game, or the bad guys in the saving jewish Ryan movie. I find the aesthetic pleasing, but, it's unnecessary. It's edgy and scares away normies which is probably the point.

the mexicans with Spanish are really able to keep that enclave thing going. The French Creole with their patois. The blacks with their shitty ebonics bullshit. But at this point proper English is almost vacuous, lacking in any identity.

basically.....

the message "fuck anti whites we whites exist and we have a right to exist" is compelling and controversial, and has the potential to win over fucking millions of whites

we need to meme that shit hard, but any kind of MUH HITLER or KKK fucks it up and makes normal-cucks think the left is right about us and that we're just "le ebil racist"

this is very true.

i would join an urban special clothes wearing german speaking white tribe in seconds.

I think we need to radically abandon the old culture and go full tribal. If we want a goddamn ethnostate someday FFs it will be 1000x easier to get there if we live in a separatist-minded culture.

Excellent post btw

>The whole "superior race" meme has to die. We must defend our people because they're OUR PEOPLE not because they're "BETTER THAN X PEOPLE"

B..but user, race is just a myth. Skin colour is just a social construct. There is no 'OUR PEOPLE'. You're not racist are you, user?

I privately hold that we are clearly something special if we can settle almost anywhere and produce productive societies, but as a memetic tool it's useless.

>We have a right to exist because I want to exist, i'm pro-white because i'm pro me.
If you guys don't read Jack Donovan, now is the time to start.

Just tell people who use that argument to go tell Blacks to stop seeing other Black people as their people, then invoke European culture and say "White=European".'

Don't engage in debate with that kind of argument, just show contempt.

B... but Donovan is gay omg noooooo I'm gonna make gay jokes and call you a fag nowwwww

You have to rise above your own argumental limitations.

If you get stuck in what defines your group, you'll be steamrolled by people that gladly invents new identities for themselves as they see convenient.

Tha stakes are higher this time, what worked on Trump's campaign it's not going to work now.

It's important to say European and not white because, as someone who was taught under a personal disciple of Marcuse, they will shoot you the most common leftist tripe ever:
>LE IRISH WERENT CONSIDERED HWITE

>B... but Donovan is gay omg noooooo I'm gonna make gay jokes and call you a fag nowwwww
haha right. oh noooooooo a fag who knows that being gay isn't normal, doesn't promote it, wrote one of the most scathing rebukes to the concept of 'gayness' ever conceived, wants to serve his community and promote white nationalism above everything nooooooooo

Donovan is the shit. I used to email him a bit, he was very receptive. He helped me along the path I'm on today.

Shit if they put these up side by side, it's golden.

>We have a right to exist because I want to exist, i'm pro-white because i'm pro me.

That's basically no different to what the KKK believed. Sure, there were racist undertones, but it was more so an appreciation of the superiority of their in-group and a desire to set the standard and tone of their society that made them 'racist'. In practice there's very little difference between white nationalism and full blown racism. This is the final red pill btw

>>LE IRISH WERENT CONSIDERED HWITE
agreed

In fact check out this rhetoric

"Stop calling us White people! Trying to reduce our identity to a color is offensive! We are European people and our culture is European. What? You don't like that? Why aren't you against African Americans, too?"

And obviously you're going to get idiots who try to argue on and on, just ignore it. Don't engage people who are trying to deconstruct your identity, just steamroll them with rhetoric and smug indifference.

>Still KKKucking for the KKK

Also
>"Full blown racism"
>Not just a meme
>A thing
No, there is no "racism" that's just a scare word. Every group is "racist". The myth of "le evil old time 1950s White racist" is just a meme.

>full blown racism
Oh no!