Kazakh Muslims

Can someone explain to me what the ever loving fuck is up with muslims in Kazakhstan? The more I read about them the more confused I am, because they don't act like middle eastern muslims at all.

Are they turbocucks or something? I read a study that said 70% of muslims in Kazakhstan (which, by the way, 70% of Kazakhs are muslim) think that the Quran preaches violence and that Allah wouldn't tell them to hurt each other. Another study said up to 99% admonish and are disgusted by middle eastern muslims for being so violent and radical.

And then I read something that completely fucking floored me.

The Kazakhstan government, made up of almost entirely muslims, said that they welcome other religions and want to push for a peaceful society with all types of religions, not just muslims, and that "Kazakh muslims should be tolerant of and embrace other cultures and religions, and must remember that Allah loves every human on Earth regardless of their religion, because all people are special."

....You fucking wot m8?

A-Are we talking about the same Islam?

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Radical Islam is practically nonexistent in Kazakhstan as well, and the second largest religious group, Orthodox Russians, have a perfectly peaceful relationship with Kazakh muslims. What's more, women can freely and safely walk around in miniskirts, most women don't wear hijabs, men don't think it's okay to rape women, most believe that while men and women are different they should have equal rights, they drink all the time, eat pork, don't blow people up on the regular, and are genuinely accepting of others from different religions...

Can someone explain how the fuck this happened? How has Kazakhstan managed to have a majority muslim population and not become a complete shithole? I saw a website that said it's because the traditional Kazakh lifestyle is something Kazakh muslims don't want to give up, which is a lifestyle of tolerance, generosity, kindness, love thy neighbor, etc etc etc. But that doesn't seem like all of it. Any Kazakhs here who can elaborate on this? To me it almost seems like they're only muslim in name but really have beliefs more akin to Baha'i ism, which also has a presence in Kazakhstan.

bump, anyone got any answers for how this happened and how we can spread this delusional but actually peaceful to the rest of the muzzies? (because you know they'll refuse to convert to something else or stop believing)

They arent arab

Well yeah, but how much of a difference would that really make?

I just looked it up, apparently radical islam is becoming a problem there, but lo and fucking behold the ones committing terrorism are from the middle east.

Well, I saw Borat, so I'd say their hatred of the jew.

There aren't many left because during Stalinist times they were basically genocided and replaced by ethnic Germans and Russians.

Could be that they aren't inbred so they are not genetically prone to violence.

It's never been about Islam at all.

It's just that shitskins are violent and stupid.

If White Americans were Muslim we would turn it into a cuck religion too.

Blaming Islam itself is for bluepilled atheists like Dawkins who blame religion for every problem.

This.
It's not really so much Islam itself as it is people from the middle east. For some reason, people from that region are huge fucking assholes.

Refined asian genes from the mongol empire days.

Kazakhs are a unique mixture of Asian and Russian. Hapas can do no wrong. (High IQs)

Their women are beautiful and very traditional.

kazakhstan is full of ethnic russians leftover from colonial days and they comprise much of the technocratic class that keeps the country functioning and quasi-prosperous.

additionally, since they were a part of the russian empire since the 18th century at least, they don't have the potential for a large scale extremist movements taking hold in their government and religion always takes a back seat to the functioning of the state

for another interesting central asian example of how seriously they take their islam, the government of turkmenistan wouldn't let people study the quran without also simultaneously studying the shitty philosophy book that the president wrote

Race affects religion profoundly. Just look at Christianity
>Latins prefer more rigid Christianity, more concerned with sin and atonement
>Greeks have a more philosophical and cosmic Christianity, concerned with life and death which they passed to the Slavs during the Byzantine era
>Germanic snowniggers prefer to be lazy good for nothing garbage who think they will get into heaven simply by saying they will, also concerned with not having an Italian rule over them just as they resisted Rome during the Empire
>All the third worlders that either adopted Christianity or had it forced upon them still cling to their primitive voodoo crap, e.g. Mexican catholics and black american protestants
Do not mistake this for relativism. There is a single truth, most races just get it wrong.

But Islam is inherently violent. Maybe it's just that they choose to ignore the violent parts like cucks?

Kek.

They are beautiful and traditional in some ways but modern in others.

I'm reading some statistics and apparently 79% of Kazakh muslims would be perfectly comfortable with their children marrying someone non-muslim and 65% with their child converting to the new religion. Weird.

Arabs descend from Ishmael.

Genesis 16:12
>And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

>Maybe it's just that they choose to ignore the violent parts like cucks?
it's not even that they choose to ignore the violent parts, they choose to ignore most parts. no women wear head coverings in kazakhstan and they eat pork and drink vodka en masse, they're the muslim equivalent of boston catholics

Arabs willingly accept this heritage by the way. It's not something they see as shameful or something that should be denied.

Are they sufi?

>But Islam is inherently violent. Maybe it's just that they choose to ignore the violent parts like cucks?

Go look up the old testaments talking about shit like killing anyone who doesn't practice the faith.

Jews and Christians could do that if they wanted to.

Islam is kind of like the spark while the inbreeding is the tinder.

This is a good post. Different ethnic populations will bend religion according to their genetic predisposition.

Shitskin Catholocuck detected.

Pretty much. That's probably for the best that they ignore almost all of it. A guy from Kazakhstan said on his blog that Kazakh muslims may as well just call themselves Baha'i because that's what their beliefs align with the most.

Kazakh muslims seem to be the only genuinely peaceful/moderate/cuck muslims. The muslim government is already making efforts to ensure that muslim and non-muslim citizens are protected from the growing radicalization thanks to middle eastern mudslimes, and a survey said that 95% of muslims and russian orthodox people felt in perfect harmony/perfectly safe around the opposite religion, and that there was no tension between the two.

Sunni Hanafi.

Never said those weren't violent.

I don't belong to any of the groups listed above, you butthurt ponytailed youth minister.

Most Kazakh Muslims drink vodka and eat pork thinking Allah can't see them under the roof. Also, Kazakhstan was like 30%-40% white (Russian, Jewish, German) during the soviet times and pretty developed thanks to proximity to Russia and infrastructure being developed by USSR. Also, it is only central Asian state where Russians and other whites weren't violently thrown out in 90's. I am a Kazakh btw, ama. Pic related is literally how my gf looks like.

84% of Kazakh muslims think honor killing is never acceptable. That's high, but not as high as I had hoped. Hmm. Although the survey does say that the most common response from those who said it can be acceptable is that it's only acceptable if they themselves killed someone first.

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>Have gf

Pick one faggot

What is the opinion of most Kazakh muslims (or Kazakhs in general) on women NOT wearing hijabs/head scarves? What about wearing short skirts or makeup? Eating pork or drinking? Same sex marriage? What about middle eastern allah akbar mudslimes?

Borat was probably from Romania. He had zero relations with Kazakhstan

It's not r9k either, dipshit. Unless you have a cute traditional gf of the same race you are, you are a degenerate cuck.

>But Islam is inherently violent.
And so is every abrahamic religion, it's just our soceietes have modernised, and grown out of barbaric shit.
I'm pretty sure that if the us doesn't fuck up the middle east, it'd be a much better place with minimal amount of extremist.

Most women in cities (like 95%)don't wear hidjab or even scarves, make up is fine too. Short skirts are looked down upon, but girls in western cities and capital sure wear them too. Drinking is lower then in Russia, but still present. You can buy pork anywhere. Same sex marriage is utter degeneracy and can never be allowed. ME allah snackbar Muslims are treated with distrust, border police has to deal with those assholes coming in from neighbouring countries often, sometimes shooting. Our brothers are Russians, Ukrainians and belarusians, other Turkic nations from Russia and maybe Mongols (but they are more close to a weird uncle who is stuck in the past).

That's religions for ya,
say one thing
say the opposite
Both are true.
Damned if ya do, damned if ya don't.

China is going to be balkenized in 30 years after when communism fails over there. I can't wait for an inner Mongolia to become independent.

>same sex marriage is utter degeneracy and can never be allowed
:(

Well anyway, how many Kazakh muslims do you think have the tendency to strap bombs to themselves and run into a crowd and blow themselves up? How many want to kill non-muslims?

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>Is r9k

Pick one faggot

liberal gas lighting.

this lad's a shill

sage in options

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abai_Qunanbaiuli

Congrats, OP, on starting probably the most important thread on all /pol.

The reason Kazakh muslims are like this, is because the sheer hideousness of Islam is primarily a result of its origination in the desert, among the heat-deranged peoples of the desert. You have to realize that where central Asia is Islamic, it is only Islamic because all the various nomadic Scythian and Mongol tribes of that region have always been so insanely adept at fighting and killing that Islam couldn't just walk all over them as a tactic of spreading itself.

Instead, it was their branch of gentle but shamanistic Sufi mystics who sold the central Asians on Islam, as the Sufis seemed to resemble the traditional sky-god-woshipping shamans of central Asia. So over time the central Asian tribes just embraced Islam, naively assuming that Sufism WAS Islam, when we in the West now know better.

Islam is mostly a religion for those who like visceral, robust rituals but not much reading. This is why central Asians who are Muslim assume they know Islam -- because they don't like to read, and they certainly wouldn't enjoy reading the petty teium that is the Koran or the Hadiths.

Beyond what I've said here, check out this course to learn the fullest picture:

thegreatcourses.com/courses/the-barbarian-empires-of-the-steppes.html

Russia and the Soviet Union happened. Turkics were, historically, some of the most violent Muslims to ever walk the Earth until the Russians put the fear of God into them.

The expressions of religious belief are also tied more to culture than the religion itself. Blame the Saudis for exporting their shitty brand of Islam for most of the Islamic terrorism we've seen.

communism fixed them

>this lad's a shill
Nice try, Ireland. I hate middle eastern mudslimes.

That makes sense. Would it go without saying that it's better to trust a Kazakh muslim than a Pakistani muslim? I mean since Kazakh muslims are basically just generic religious group #83509827 anyway, and actually somewhat moderate.

Quads confirm. Fuck the Saudis, they're shoddy.

It makes me feel a bit better about having a muslim Kazakh roommate. I was scared he'd blow me up or behead me in my sleep but I probably don't have to worry about that...hopefully. He seems nice enough and he's a fucking weeb of all things.

Arabs carry a lot of tribal baggage that other's don't. Islam is still pretty fucked, though not that far beyond Christianity. Arabs crank it to 11.

>anything that doesn't fit in my world view is shilling
>Sup Forums is not an echochamber

No but seriously should I be worried about my Kazakh roommate trying to kill me?

I personally wouldn't trust ANY Muslim, but I would rather be in central Asia than in the Arab lands, for sure. It's probably best to think of central Asian muslims as Mongolians and proto-Aryan Russian-Iranian types who worked the more pleasing attributes of Islam into their worship of their sky-god named Tengri.

What do think will bring down communism in China. Economic woes? War? Energy crisis? Political infighting?

I hear that Tartars are actually pretty well integrated into Russian society too? Is that an accurate assessment?

Me too, fuck chinks.
5-10%, marginal underclass, brainwashed rural folks and immigrants mostly.

K-stan is being groomed as a future Globalist paradise.

Here's more on Tengri, in case you might want to convert to Tengrism and move out to central Asia and become a Mongol:

newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Tengri

Yes, a lot of tatars are barely distinguishable from white Russians and no discrimination exists.

Cause and effect. The cause is Islam the effect is Muslim.

Fair enough. I think my roommate is non practicing though or just only vaguely muslim because I've never seen him pray once, not even when we go out to eat together. He also drinks and eats pork, shaves, and is a waifufag. Doesn't have a Quran, in fact the only reason I know he's muslim is because I asked him what his religion was and he said "I guess I'm muslim" but he doesn't seem too involved. Doesn't like it when I call women cunts or bitches, either.

it's kind of hard to tell what they are actually like considering they are still ruled by same communist autocrat who ruled over them when they were still part of the USSR

radical islamic ideology is on the rise throughout central asia and will accelerate as the generations of communist influence wears off and they begin to reassert their real traditional islamic identity

Introduce him to Tengrism and see if you can convert him back to that.

Roommate's from Almaty and seems to be from an affluent or at least not gopnik family so I ask the same question. Is he gonna cut my head off and shit down my throat?

Kek, no thanks. I'm agnostic, formerly Nondenominational-Vaguely-Christian.

Efforts to combat radical islam are already being implemented tho.

You and your Tengrism lol. I think if I try to convert him to anything except agnosticism he'll get upset.

He's seemingly about as muslim as Japanese people are buddhist, which supposedly 60-70% are but virtually nobody actually studies it.

The problem with Islam and Buddhism and comparing them to something like Tengrism is that Islam and Buddhism are sociological-political and Tengrism is like Taoism or Shinto -- it's more a nature religion, approaching everything in life from the metaphor of nature and the channeling of the natural world, not the suppression and renunciation of it, in favor of contrived human ego-enslavement bullshit.

They had 50 years of communism ofc religion doesnt mean shit

No Borat role players yet ITT? Really?

this happens in every middle eastern country that isnt a warzone btw

Looking at other central asian countries and neighboring regions you'll see uzbekistan has much higher rate of radicalism (and crime), to a much lesser extent kyrgyzstan and tajikistan being more asian and persian respecitvely. And the caucasus region happens to be as allahu akbar as ever. Seems the more arabic and the arabic type turkic (as opposed to the asian type turkic) the more violence and radicalism. Big surprise there, huh, mr. religion is evil atheists.

>A-Are we talking about the same Islam?
Islam isn't particularly violent in and of itself, the problem is the low IQ sand niggers.

What about Christian middle easterners? I thought they were peaceful

>How
Chinks

Kazakhs are bros, don't compare them to arabic inhuman shit

>How

because they are so far away from real muslims.
kazakhs are not muslims who live by the quran if they live like this and that makes them obviously everything else but muslims..

same as with little white people in suburbs who dress and "act" like hood niggers while they don't even know one black person in real life

The only two non-muslim countries in the caucasus region happen to be Armenia and Georgia which also happen to be christian. Although they are nowhere near as violent as their islamic neighbors, the crime and violence rate within their ethnic group is extremely high compared to their ethnic russian and chink-eyed asiatic coutnerparts. Can't say about the middle east since arab christians are extreme outliers

...

Gennady Golovkin, his brothers, and their friends grew up beating up random muzzies on the "streets" of Kazakhstan.

Checked

It's the same with all post-Soviet Muslims.

>kazakhs are not muslims who live by the quran if they live like this and that makes them obviously everything else but muslims..
This desu.
He's at very least half russian. Pure kazakhz look like a fucking mongols.

1. They aren't tainted with sandnigger Arab blood
2. America doesn't fund terrorists or commit "regime change" there

Just googled him. Not even kazakh, he's a hapa with korean mother and russian father.

His mom is Korean, but a way Mongolian looking Korean...she looks like a Russian nesting doll when he had her come in the ring with her, couldn't find a pic of it though

Invest in Kazakhstan today

I know about his ethnicity, Kazakhstan is multinational, he's from there so he's a Kazakh. Just like Americans who's family migrated here in 20th century, like from Poland or Italy, who have nothing to do with neither natives nor colonists, but are not any less American then them.

>tfw realizing Kazakhstan actually has a high HDI these days
It's actually tempting

hey

You do realize Islam has hundred of sects like Christianity right? The ISIS terrorists and AL-Qaeda are Wahhabi's.

Jews and Early Christians have altered the bible several times.

the bible has been getting edited with bits and entire gospels of it torn out for the past 2k years. Anyone studying this stuff will tell you not to take anything literally, the symbolism is the most important thing. Banned gospels, like Mary and Judas are a lot more important then the shit that's still in there.

fuck off

>Kazakhs are a unique mixture of Asian and Russian
they are not retard. there are russians in kazakhstan. but there is no hapa population. its not fucking brazil u retard
t. russian from kazakhstan

go back chink. how the fuck did you end up here.

it says Unknow, leaf

They filmed Borat's home in a gypsy village in Romania.

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Turkey has a alevi minority, which is basically also practicing a shamanistic kind of Islam, where they refuse to take the Quran literally and accept it as a whole. You can't convince them to kill, because the Holy book says so. Then there is a big population of arab loving sunnis (Turks and kurds) and also westernized Turks and Kurds.

I wonder how turkic people see turks and turkey.

Why make it sound like it's a bad thing? I wish your mudslimes where kazakh.

Borat was just a random kike smear (for the sake of comedy so it's okay goyim) on a random Muslim nation. None of it had anything to do with Kazakhstan, no one in it even came close to looking like an ethnic Kazakh.

Why are americas best allies in the Israel and the wahabis?

Borat was actually filmed in a romanian town and not kazakhstan :D

>be me
>went to uzbekistan
>people there produce and drink vodka
>wife wanted to wear the veil to go inside mosque
>guide told her no need to, but nice of her to ask
There are good muslims and nice islam, it's simply not the one imported in western countries...

>Kazakhstan

But Khazakhs had shariah law and wrote in arabic before the Russian Empire got them.

Arabs are literally savage animals.
I thought everyone knew this.