What actually matters: culture or race?

I'm working my way through Jared Taylor's Paved with Good Intentions. It's pretty much an expose on the myth that blacks are "disadvantaged" due to racism, showing that, pretty much, they are inferior.

Many of you are so-called "white nationalists."

I'm white. I'm married to a Vietnamese girl. Jared would admit that Asians have an even higher IQ than we do. It seems the real focus is on blacks and others who are not up to par culturally and in terms of intelligence, such as many Arabs and Mexicans.

What really matters? Is it culture: that we are a unified society sharing a single culture and where no-one needs any hand-outs or welfare, and everyone is able to pull their weight? Or is it race: that we want a society of a common ancestry who "look like us" no matter what?

For me, it is culture. When I was younger I parroted the rhetoric of "loving my kin," but that isn't true. When I look at most whites I see enemies, since most of them are smug leftist pricks. I don't bat an eye if something happens to them. I don't feel this "natural kinship" to my race. I accept people in terms of their political outlook, open-mindedness, and, broadly, their intelligence.

I'm curious of the case for others. What is important to you? is it race per race, or is it race per culture and intelligence?

That lack of naturally occurring 'kinship' you allude to seems to be why you focus on the cultural.

But try to entertain the idea that it is simply because your are an American - in a genuine cultural melting pot these days - that you lack that feeling of affinity towards people you have never met in your nation but who you could otherwise feel are a part of your 'tribe'.

The US has forever ruined that possibility of maintaining the feeling of a tribe with the immigration of the past couple of decades, and it is in that erosion of the old tribal affinities we hold for people surrounding us who look and behave like us that I believe the US is evolving into one of the most insecure, selfish, and outwardly aggressive societies in the Western World.

I hope that you can find a way to tap into that tribal instinct despite being surrounded by 'others', because it is one of the most powerful compulsions we have to act unselfishly towards our fellow citizens and create more worthwhile, cohesive nations. You should try to develop "loving my kin" as a definable pursuit in your country, because so much will be lost without it

Nuristani in Afghanistan are white, why should I have a sense of community with them?

>What actually matters: culture or race?
Both matter and whites are the superior race.

Thank you for your post.

This is because I am an American for sure. I used to go to Stormfront when I was at the end of my high school days. I self-identified as white nationalist at that time, even though I did not really understand what it meant. I was primarily reacting to anti-white racism coming at me from academia and the rest of the globalist intelligentsia. I found pro-white white nationalism to be the perfect refuge. However, I could never get over the fact that what white nationalism ultimately entails would be massive deportations of non-whites, the great majority of whom are citizens, and many of whom, especially blacks, have been in this country far longer than I have. In this sense I consider myself a political realist: I do not see these deportations happening, nor do I want them to happen, less another "trail of tears" stain our history.

But I am also a race realist. I don't believe the races are equal. The blacks are demonstrably different and less intelligent--I accept Taylor's research. But I can't say I want them deported either. I just want the truth to come out and I believe somehow the right solution will just fall into place.

Ethnonationalism is awesome. If I was a European, I would be an ethnonationalist for sure.

But as far as racial nationalism goes...

I just don't feel it.

I feel kinship when I look at German soldiers of the Reich. That makes me feel a connection and always has. But when I look at fellow white Americans, for the most part, I just see trash.

culture comes from behavior which is genetic
Race is most important

Some shit skins are made to act like whites, they only stay acting like that because they are surrounded by whites keeping up the culture
if you removed all whites they would revert back to their old culture in a generation

Funny thing is: Most Blacks, Hispanics, Muslims etc. in Western countries lost pretty much their culture and adapated the globalist ghetto culture instead.

fpbp

a thing you have to consider, regardless of which one is better is: culture is fleeting, but race is forever.

>I don't believe the races are equal.

In that case, I don't think you will ever be able to nurture a feeling of kinship with ethnically non-European Americans, and pursuing the cultural cohesion might be the more worthwhile pursuit for you and the legions of other uneasy white Americans after all.

Speaking of whom:

>when I look at fellow white Americans, for the most part, I just see trash.

Why is that?

Culture is product of mentality which is
product of race.

No white women wanted him so he bought a chink. Neat thread OP

You talk as if they're mutually exclusive. Culture is cuckanese for race. They go hand in hand. It's like asking what matters more - IQ or culture?

Well the most white people are retarded and just look better cuz we also have more smart people imo. I consider my self a smart "white". Also hsve u guys ever thought about maybe different races r just different with different roles to play? Kinda like i dont think men r better than woman, we r just different with different roles to play in this world. Just make sure its a positive role.

Not the op btw

I want to clarify here: my position is one where I desire cultural unity and integration. I believe only the cream of the black crop can do this, most Asians can, and some Arabs, Mexicans, and Indians can. I believe this correlates strongly with intelligence as well, which seems to correlate with mental flexibility, the thing that makes total assimilation possible. For me, what is most important is the ability of people to culturally assimilate in toto. If there are whites who could not do this then they would equally be a problem. But whites, by and large, whether Irish, German, Polish, or Italian, were fully able to integrate into Anglo-Saxon culture to the extent that a construct such as "White American" was possible.

I want to be able to use the word "American" and conjure a distinct a unified culture. At the moment we are not this, and I believe that racial diversity plays a big part in that. By all means, immigration by unwashed human refuse should end, so should the welfare state that allows mestizos to propagate in large numbers. No-one should get any handouts and all should have to work as hard as whites and, in short, be like whites. Asians do this for the most part, on the one hand, but blacks are so problematic that their failures divide the rest of us.

I can't even feel kinship with the best blacks. They always seem to have a festering sense of anti-white racism and tribal separatism which prevents them from seeming like friends.

>Why is that?
Most whites ARE trash. They are liberals who are so culturally poisoned that they're like a race of their own. They don't read, they can't think, they're idiots.

I just want to read a lot and read at peace. White girls seem really high maintenance and, yes, have never really liked me. At least here I'm accepted for who I am.

>we r just different with different roles to play in this world. Just make sure its a positive role.

That's one element in what I imagine could be a successful campaign in the US to regain something resembling an ethnic kinship - that each and every race has slightly different but equally important roles to play in the progression of the nation. Recognising slight differences in the races could even get the most ardent of racists on board with the idea of trying to turn the racial diversity in the US into something more productive and positive, and in time permanently erode the unnecessary build up of tensions.

At least you had a sense of Americanism which made total assimilation a mandatory requirement for every citizen. We don't have that in Europe and it is less likely with Arabs and Muslims. But you were and still are on the way of abandoning it for a deluded sense of globalism which is just global capitalism in a world in which whites actually are the smallest minority while pretending to be the vast majority who owe every other race but never their own kin.

I believe the white race is doomed indeed. But the USA have a chance to form a post-white nation, especially because your largest group are hispanics, which do have some European heritage and identity. Europe however does not. There is no way in hell to form a multi-ethnic and multi-cultural society with Muslims, especially Arabs, and Sub-Saharan Africans AND the welfare state and transnational leftist cancer like the EU on top of it.

Europe is heading for absolute disaster to which both world wars will look like a walk in the park.

I agree, that's why if I was a European I would be an ethnonationalist. You need to deport all refugees and illegals immediately. Those who are already citizens are fine but you need to integrate birth rate quotas as well. The failure to do this will eliminate the possibility of ethnonationalism and reduce European states to the kind of civic nationalism that is entirely out of place there. The meanings of Germany and France will be lost, and Europe will devolve into the kind of united states that America is.

I don't want to see that happen.

> immigration by unwashed human refuse should end, so should the welfare state that allows mestizos to propagate in large numbers. No-one should get any handouts

>No-one should get any handouts

This is part of the poison that I see mass-immigration having wrought in your nation. This covetousness of money and attitudes that - if taxes have to be paid at all, better it go towards trillion dollar fighter jet programs and building tomahawk missiles than say, setting up a socialised healthcare system that actually treats people in accordance to how sick they are - is all a part of the breakdown of affinity towards your citizens and the lack of charity that results.

This needs to be addressed one way or the other, otherwise your nation's standard of living is likely to continue stagnating and even falling relative to nations that produce less wealth per capita than yours. This is why you desperately need to form some form of solution to the division that the ethnic diversity in your country has instilled.

No deportations will happen. And I actually made a large post about it that reached bumplimit yesterday "White genocide is real and irreversible" You can check it out, if you want for a detailed answer on all of this.

Sup Forumsacks will scream "BLACKPILL" at you, but it is looking very, very, very bad for Europe. Especially Germany and France.

And I am an ethnonationalist, but I find it increasingly hard, because my people VOTE and CHOOSE this fate. There are political alternatives. You do not to revolt, to give your life, or even spend a single penny. You just have to vote differently, but they don't.

So this is how the white race dies: with roaring applause.

Mexican isnt a race. If you bring up those rape babies when trying to deduce intelligence from culture you're going to draw false conclusions. Also, the irish are basically white niggers. There's no such thing as "white people". It's a term coined by non-whites and fools to identify their betters.

I don't the government should have so much money at all. Smart businessmen and consumers should be able to save their money in order that white families don't have to be dual-income earners, which makes bearing large amounts of children unfeasible and removes strong parental influence. We are entering a system where hardworking whites have to sacrifice their ability to raise their own children well in order to pay for incompetent immigrants/refugees who propagate large families and get handouts for it.

I'm not saying Mexicans are a race. I deliberately used the term mestizos to denote their complicated mixed-race heritage. I'm not deducing intelligence from culture. In Taylor's book he shows that Mexicans perform only marginally better at tests than blacks.

"While people" as far as we are concerned refers to the assimilated European population in America. We all (I'm German, Polish, and Italian) have been able to seamlessly integrate into Anglo-Saxon America, even the Irish.