/left/ General - The Workers Must Be Armed Edition

Greetings Comrades

This thread is for the discussion of any and all left-wing political ideology, including, but not limited to, Marxism/Socialism/Communism/Anarchism/Syndicalism/etc.

>Socialism is an economic and social system defined by social ownership of the means of production. (Workers democratically own and operate the places in which they work, as opposed to private power aka capitalism)

>The means of production are non-human inputs the create economic value, such as factories, workplaces, industrial machinery, etc. Socialists refer to the means of production as capital, or private property. Private property in the socialist context shouldn't be confused with personal property, such as your home, car, computer, and other possessions.

>In a capitalist society the means of production are owned and controlled privately, by those that can afford them (the capitalist aka those with capital). Production is carried out to benefit the capitalist (production for profit). Workers are paid a wage, and receive that amount regardless of how much value they produce.

>Communism is the highest developed stage of socialism wherein there is no state, no money, no class system. The means of production are owned by all and provide for everyone's needs.

Resources:

ABC's of Socialism: s3.jacobinmag.com/issues/jacobin-abcs.pdf

Introduction to Marxism by Professor Richard D. Wolff: youtube.com/watch?v=T9Whccunka4

Selections of Left-wing Literature:
Anarchist:
theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-conquest-of-bread

Libertarian:
Mikhail Bakunin - God and the State (short read)
Thomas Paine - Agrarian Justice
Noam Chomsky - Notes on Anarchism
Anton Pannekoek - Worker's Councils

Marxist-Leninist:
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/

Other urls found in this thread:

youtu.be/dGT-hygPqUM?list=PL3F695D99C91FC6F7
youtube.com/watch?v=uhg0SUYOXjw
youtube.com/watch?v=cqGkm6qtRWg
youtube.com/watch?v=s5PigZzSAJo
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_economic_reform#Economic_performance_since_reform
youtube.com/watch?v=yA2lCBJu2Gg
scholar.harvard.edu/files/shleifer/files/normal_countries_draft_sept_12_annotated.pdf
thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/22/steve-bannon-trump-s-top-guy-told-me-he-was-a-leninist.html
twitter.com/NSFWRedditGif

Cheeky

Also heres a good introduction to theory
youtu.be/dGT-hygPqUM?list=PL3F695D99C91FC6F7

Taxation is theft, Communists are literally subhuman.

Of course not. Going from extremely authoritarian state capitalism to less authoritarian state capitalism was a good choice, I think/

worker-collectivism or libertarian socialism yes or no?

*tips*

time to go back

It's part of the social contract lad, it's no more theft than an foetus taking resources in the womb.

>Taxation is theft

When did Communists ever talk of taxation?
also pic related

>everyone that doesn't agree with me is a fedora tipper
Childish "reasoning" there.

low IQ retards who want to test if fire will burn them because maybe it won't this time

ALL YOUR FUCKERS NEED TO WATCH THIS!
youtube.com/watch?v=uhg0SUYOXjw
Don't forget to turn on the English CC.

I don't reason with children.

*tips*

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profiting from my labor is theft, capitalists are literally subhuman

>everyone that doesn't agree with me is subhuman

Great argument!!!

>People that hold dissenting political opinions are not human
Equally top tier reasoning.

Then why are you here? Goodluck getting people to agree w/ your ideology at that rate.

But yet when your employer gives you a wage that is only a proportion of the value of the goods you produced, this isn't taxation or theft?

subhuman thread

reminder that the "failure of capitalism" is a jewish plot to make idiots fuck up their country even more.
youtube.com/watch?v=cqGkm6qtRWg

No one is forcing you to work, you retard

Don't remember signing any contracts

Outplayed. Outgamed. Outsmarted.

Subhuman, in other words.

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NEW ZIZEK
Get it while it's hot
youtube.com/watch?v=s5PigZzSAJo

communism is a jewish invention

Youtube subtitles are a bit iffy though

>No one is forcing you to work, you retard
well, they kinda /are/

Bump

Mm yes. I gotta love how China became far richer and less poor as a result when Deng got rid of the communist and socialism meme and embraced capitalism.

>China's economic growth since the reform has been very rapid, exceeding the East Asian Tigers. Economists estimate China's GDP growth from 1978 to 2013 at between 9.5% to around 11.5% a year. Since the beginning of Deng Xiaoping's reforms, China's GDP has risen tenfold.[28] The increase in total factor productivity (TFP) was the most important factor, with productivity accounting for 40.1% of the GDP increase, compared with a decline of 13.2% for the period 1957 to 1978—the height of Maoist policies. For the period 1978–2005, Chinese GDP per capita increased from 2.7% to 15.7% of U.S. GDP per capita, and from 53.7% to 188.5% of Indian GDP per capita. Per capita incomes grew at 6.6% a year.[29] Average wages rose sixfold between 1978 and 2005,[30] while absolute poverty declined from 41% of the population to 5% from 1978 to 2001.[31]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_economic_reform#Economic_performance_since_reform

Communists and socialists BTFO for all eternity. Watch how Cuba adopts capitalist reforms too and becomes far richer as a result.

Uhhhhhhhhhhh

Theres more than 2 genders you stupid nazi. FACT

>use force on your own countrymen to repossess massive amounts of property and industry into the hands of the weakest, dumbest and most manipulable group in society
What could possibly go wrong?

I think the bigger problem with the modern left (those that keep up with the Marxist tradition, not libs) is it's filled with high IQ autists that have no idea how to communicate their autistic knowledge of theory to the general public.

You could stop working and then you will receive exactly what you deserve for contributing nothing to society.

Human incentive.

If everyone can only earn what they themselves produce personally. They will never expand and transfer methodology. The economies of scale benefits to things like manufacturing would never exist. Because why build a factory? You aren't making money off it. There becomes zero incentive to do anything and create any growth.

Why open a second restaurant? Why expand production?

will you faithless heathens convert to KEKism?

What's everyone here's opinion on John Pilger?

He used to be so based but now a lot of his recent work sounds more like he's shilling for Putin.

>No one is forcing you to work, you retard
Nonacceptance of working conditions as set by corporations = unemployment = starvation.

value is determined by the amount of money you're willing to accept to do something.

Your employer is literally giving you full value for your part of the production by you accepting your pay.

I have to admit this is not perfect, but the lifelong salary concept is absolutely important for many reasons like, for example, proving that these porkies don't create any value!

Exactly. I'm being forced to work in this situation.

>digits
>id: klGdd
>killGdd
>kill God
Communism comfirmed for superiority

hey guise were are all the cuban, nork, vietnamese and chinese flags in these threads, cause i never see any

wanna hear from some real communists but it doesn't seem possible for some reason

hi /leftypol/

youtube.com/watch?v=yA2lCBJu2Gg

how can you fucks defend him?

ITT; leftists and Drumpfsters from other boards desperately trying to poison Sup Forums

You'll never win, Sup Forums will triumph

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have a bump, for diversity of opinion

Kek is a fickle god; could be he wants us to seize the memes of production.

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Trump is dead. We have killed Trump.

>What about strasserism you get a little bit over here and a little bit over there
A little bit of intelligence and a little bit of stupidity doesn't make genius, genius.

>free markets don't work
>if only mao was still running China

Maybe yous should find a new place to work.

What do you expect to receive if you don't work?

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how does a socialist society prevent people from becoming capitalists ?

may the light of KEK shine on you minion poster

>Molyneux

Oh boy

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>implying

How would one go about taking over a workplace if it was already owned by the workers?

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What if I told you that both Communism and Globalist Capitalism were invented by Jews, or had the same ultimate effect?

>What do you expect to receive if you don't work?
Nothing. If I get nothing (no basic needs required for survival), I die. So, I must work.

So how would you explain the vast majority of development in the basic sciences which only seeks to expand knowledge and transfer methodology over profit motives?

Libertarian socialism.

no u

Capitalists would be private owners of means of production. A socialist society would only allow for public ownership of the means of production.

Just a reminder, dont be too hard on leftypol. They will eventually grow out of it, as many of us did.

Trump's a slick entryist?????

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>devolving into a normalfag just to try and mess with us.

>ex-ussr countries are now better off under capitalism than they were under the ussr

scholar.harvard.edu/files/shleifer/files/normal_countries_draft_sept_12_annotated.pdf

Capitalism wins again.

Daily reminder that communism has a 0% success rate

And pic related is proof of the glory and success of fascism.

i'm one of you you fucking spook

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We all know whos REALLY behind it

C'mon take the green pill

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Oh look, another thread to hide, catch them all.

There are plenty of business that don't require workers

That sounds reasonable to me?

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Daily reminder Fascism has a 100% success rate.

No, we love Catholicism now. Religion is the opiate of the masses, and opiates are awesome.

leftypol cant even come up with their own memes though

@101516117
Nigger
Sage

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I assume you would still need workers to program what ever said machines where doing

Sup Forums is ours classcucks

What if a worker co-op decides to sell shit at a profit?

>Implying they didn't live under capitalism in the first place.

It's funny, a big reason they are is because they received large amounts of funding from Soros, yet Sup Forums seems to think he's the globalist kike enemy.

Hmmmmmm

>Fascism has a 100% success rate.

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There's an outside chance
thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/22/steve-bannon-trump-s-top-guy-told-me-he-was-a-leninist.html

minion posting is the most advanced form of weaponized autism you newfag. it's been know to bury entire threads in minutes

Consider the only work available deprives you of most of what you produce. It would be far easier, and more efficient, if work was based in a communist society.

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