Why everyone is mocking france for WW2 ?

>be France in 1940
>have 40 millions people (vs 70 millions for Germany)
>don't want to make war all over again but still have to
>have medium sized militaro industrial complex (which is partly sabotaged by commies because of the Germano-russian pact)
>USA refusing to help
>have british """allies""" refusing to counter attack and fleeing on their island without even confronting us
>still good guys and decide with the belgians to cover their asses around Dunkirk keeping Werhmacht away for few more precious days in numeric inferiority
>still fight for 4 more weeks alone and lose 60 000 men in the process
>still won some battles like Hannut, the biggest tank battle until Koursk
>defeated by the army that was only stopped by USSR after 25 millions dead russians, a politics of the scorched earth, an american lease and an almost unlimited space to retreat
>finally concede its defeat to avoid another absurd bloodbath just 20 years after the end of WW1

And somewhat it is considered shameful by everyone like France was the only country to ever being in defeated in a war in its history

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Thank you for the kind word Hans, brits don't get enough shit for their backstabbing during this war.
I still don't want to be part of Greater Germany (aka European Union) though.

>brits don't get enough shit for their backstabbing during this war.

brits don't get enough shit for their endless backstabbing period

Would you have rather they let Hitler fuck you and sign his very favorable peace?

>french SS are the last people who fought against soviet in Berlin
>300 french destroy 400 soviet tanks

haha i'm surrender

The fascist volunteer brigades were uniformly badass. The Spanish Blue Division held the Soviets from breaking the siege Leningrad with no support

The french did fight bravely in 1940 but were hopelessly outmatched.
>USA refusing to help
For good reason, wasn't our war until the Japs bombed us and Hitler declared war on US. Unlike Europe at that time, American didn't have this bloodlust to slaughter each other over 1000 year old cultural rivalries.

haha we would rape you now
our army is Europe #1

Why everyone shits on scorched earth tactics? It's not like you've ever fought for the sole existence of your race. Nothing extremly bad would've happened to you in case of Nazis victory. You could afford to lose this war, we couldn't. Burning your shit to prevent enemy from taking it seems reasonable.

because a forest is not an impenetrable wall

Because people like to see big decisive fights

But who gives a fuck about that, war is war

If the British Isles were lost, the war would have been over for the west.

America would have never set foot in Europe and it would have been Russia vs the Germans.

Because France talked a lot of shit about how their defense line was impenetrable and the krauts never had a chance.

I don't. You did what had to be done. Morality and honor don't matter for much during total war.

Stay mad

Because it was an abject failure on our part. On paper, the French army should have been able to at least stop your crappy PzKpfw II.

France was a broken nation due to internal divisions, people forget how polarized politics was at the time, think SJW vs Anti-SJWs x1000. Our conscripts had low morale, our leadership sucked ass and Commies, who were pals with the Nazis back then, were sabotaging the war effort.

Still, we did put more of a fight than people give us credit for on many occasions.

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>Be france 1940
>Spend millions on the construction of the maginot line
>Trust Belgium to remain allies
>Belgium says fuck you to France
>Germans go around maginot line through Belgium
>France capitulates in six weeks!

Kek

>tfw Belgium didn't complete the maginot line

not very hard to get through a fence if there's a hole in it, js

Sure, in fact Vercingetorix used the scorched earth strategy against Caesar pretty effectively.

It's a valid strategy that denies your enemy victory, slowing them enemy down by stretching their logistics support line. It buys you time for space, which Russia has plenty of. It made perfect sense there and then.

u mad cuz we rad?

The initial strategy assumed Belgium could resist longer than it did, giving time for the allies to move in and occupy preset defensive positions.

Belgians expected defenses like Fort Eben-Emael to hold for weeks, not hours. It happened so fast they didn't even have the time to blow up the nearby bridges.

They had an army of several million men and some great tanks and they capitulated in a month.

>tfw Berlin in the final hours was defended almost entirely by foreign volunteer divisions
>tfw wiking/das reich destroyed two soviet tank armies (roughly 1000 tanks) with no more than 50 functional panzers between the two of them
the absolute madmen

It's not a bad tactics but it's a pretty damaging one, it's like cutting yourself a limb to escape from a jail, sure you will be out but you can die from the bleeding too.

>Tfw the Germans could have turned Berlin into a Stalingrad for the Russians but didn't

sounded like stalingrad to me

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it wasn't.

Stalingrad went on for much longer and was a bloodbath for both sides.
Berlin didn't go on for very long and the defensive wasn't very effective, partially due to the fact that the Volkssturm weren't very equipped or trained, and they made up a huge number of defenders.

The Germans took more casualties than the Russians in taking Berlin as I recall.

Had they prepared more they could have fucked the Russians up hard.

>without even confronting us

Horseshit.

The BEF held the line. The French and Belgians collapsed around them.

>be france
>slightly outnumbered 40 million vs 70 million, eliminated when you include Belgium and NL
>better tanks
>fortified positions
>still collapse in 6 weeks
>m...m....muh brits backstabbed us!

Even your own troops evacuated France at Dunkirk, how pathetic and cucked can you be?

>Had they prepared more they could have fucked the Russians up hard.
come on now senpai, the capabilities of the Wehrmacht as they existed during the siege of Stalingrad simply weren't there for Berlin, in every aspect of measurement.

They gave it a good run.

they are, and they're calling you out

France never surrendered. They basically invited the Germans in.

Half of France was pro German at the time.

#2, you forgot about us

I think he was referring to Mers-El-Kebir, not the evacuation of Dunkirk.

> The Attack on Mers-el-Kébir, was a British naval bombardment of the French Navy at its base at Mers El Kébir on the coast of French Algeria on 3 July 1940. The raid resulted in the deaths of 1,297 French servicemen, the sinking of a battleship and the damaging of five other ships.

> The French fleet was anchored in a narrow harbour and despite the unequivocal terms of the ultimatum, did not expect an attack and was not fully prepared for battle.

You had your reasons but that was backstabbing if there ever was one.

> During the course of the war, French military losses totaled 212,000 dead, of which 92,000 were killed through the end of the campaign of 1940
If you don't lose at least 5 millions you are not even trying.
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>Why everyone is mocking france for WW2 ?
>space before the ?
I like the French and all, but come on OP, you're a Frenchman on vacation in Germany or behind a German proxy. This is pathetic.

That's what I believe too, there's was way too much division between the hard right and commies in France.

As for the surrender meme it's basically just because we didn't suck the US dick in politics.

>be france in 1940
>see a german panzer
>surrender to the british

>this is what frogs actually believe

The only effective French military branch is the Legion, because it contains Brits

The French fought hard, they sustained more casualties in the opening round of WW2 than they suffered at Verdun. Unfortunately, their command and control was too dated to keep pace with modern warfare. Their GCHQ didn't even have a telephone, they issued orders via written notes handed to dispatch riders.

T-T-THE KRAUT

HE TRIES TO DIVIDE US

Population in 1939, 41,700,000

This meme comes from the USA after we told them to fuck off when they wanted us to support their fake war against Iraq.

It's actually older than that, the cheese eater surrender monkey was made in 1995 and there was stupid shit on us even before. It began when Degaulle didn't bend the knee after WW2.

nah just comes from the fact that the frogs got rolled in weeks despite the treaty of Versailles which the frogs were allllll about

It began when you got BTFO at Waterloo

That makes absolutely no sense

if they were going to get btfo, then they should not have declared war on germany.

>France had 65 millions inhabitants in 1940
French public education everyone.

Both of them were neutrals you dumbfuck, btw:
>implying dutch queens can fight and mind being occupied by a foreign power
>implying belgian army had any infrastructure or equipment

At least if we had a Swiss division to keep the Ardennes.

Will Trump's wall be more effective than Maginot Line?

I wonder why the Soviets used mass wave attacks during WWII? Infantry tactics had evolved allot since those types of attacks where effective.

>>Belgium says fuck you to France
>>Germans go around maginot line through Belgium
ahem

By that logic the US didn't even try since we lost under 500k.

The true french were actually the very last to surrender

evolution is a human trait

>brits
>bad allies

Stay mad cucks.

Don't blame the greatest allie for your failures.

>Be Belgium
>Say we are neutral and we have nothing to fear
>They won't do it again again, let's be serious
>Bitch at the society of Nations because France build a wall on my back because that's like leaving me to the mercy of Germany
>Yes, this is what I do on my own but it is not the same when France do it.
>France wall now goes from Luxembourg to Mediterranean only
>I just have to fortify my country
>Place artillery on the star forts and say it's done.
>Do not prepare for war.
>At all
>Germany come.
>Who could have predicted that?
>Country taken over in days
>Barely any deaths on the German side
>Defeat so fast UK boys and a part of the French are now encircled
>France scarify its boys to give time to the Brits to get back home
>2/3 of the French army left and a big hole in their line
And yet no one ever say a thing to Belgium

It's still a fuckup.
>bad intelligence: the idea that german would never go to the Ardennes is because french shot down one gemran plan with Nazi plans. France though Germany would never realise/change it at the last minute
>bad logistic: all the ammunitions were next to Spain, not next to Germany
>bad moral: "we are supposed to fight against Germany AND Russia this time? After WW1?"
>bad preparation: France wanted to do trench wars again, german wanted a fast war, the famous Blitzkrieg, which nullify the idea of a working trench war
>bad moral again: what would be the outcome of this war? Total Soviet invasion? Or total Nazi invasion?

What ?
You and the anglos forced us to accept the bullshit condition of the Versailles treaty.
We didn't want some retarded economic sanctions that the krauts couldn't pay, we wanted to undo Bismarck creation and break Germany by creating a state in the Rhineland but the english refused because they wanted to keep Germany strong in order to have the possibility to fuck us in the future if needed.

But hey, it's classic, anglos and americans don't listen to us and it backfires horribly as a result.
Good job with the Middle East by the way burger, was really a good call to pressure us to dissolve our colonies and then "bring democracy" there.

I think he meant you didn't want us to build the rest of the wall near your border.

Mers-el-kebir was literally France's fault.

>>better tanks
big ass meme that mean jackshit if the numbers aren't here.

You had more tanks than them too

It's not a meme, French tanks had god-tier armour and better guns

but it is.

Any country in europe that isn't Russia would be raped by WW2 Germany at the time in a 1 vs 1 war.

Our tanks weren't even that better since they were slow, they had no fucking radios and the crew was too small (commander needed to be loader too).

>Say you will fight with France
>Lolno. Get back to island
>Require a lot of French to cover your back
>Spend the rest of the war bombing France
10/10, status of best ally awarded by the best ally academy of Tel Aviv.

French tanks weren't as mobile as the germans and had no com system.
We only had an armor advantage but that's useless when you face an enemy that is moving faster than you.

Brits don't get enough shit for basically fucking the world and creating every mess we have tbqh. But sure, the central powers were the bad guys

literally this whole post is wrong except for the fact that the US supported it

france specifically saught reparation due to the fact that the western front had utterly fucked the countryside along with the industrial north-eastern areas of france

Clemenceau also specifically wanted the inclusion of an unequivocal statement of Germany's total liability

kek, pic related

That's indeed an advantage, they're called "tanks" for a reason

Speak the Queen's English you utter twat

>Implying the end game of US foreign policy in the middle East is stability or democracy
Pretty naïve senpai

Didn't france survive about as long as poland lol

We didn't expect you all to fold like a pack of cards.

Kek. When will these Gauls learn. Maybe Britain didn't save you because you weren't worth saving.

Central powers start both wars and shouldn't be considered the bad guys lol

...

I wonder who's fault that is.

Thanks Hans

Cor blimey, you guys keep mentioning us I'm starting to believe you're in love with us.

Poland
>1 month+1 week (sep1, 1939-Oct6, 1939)

France
>1 month+2 weeks (may10, 1940-june25,1940)

No wonder Hitler thought he could conquer russia in 6 weeks

To be fair, he almost won, if he started just a bit sooner and made it to Moscow before the winter hit things could have turned out very differently.

The treaty was too hard where it should have been soft (economic sanctions throwing germans in misery) and too soft where it should have been hard (it gaves the german state a legitimacy, when the Austrian Empire was broken, the German one was recognized on the global scene as natural).
Going back to the antebellum situation of 1869 (minus Austria and with the rest of Prussia) was the wisest thing to do, but you arbitrated in the sense of the english solution.

Reminder that the English are literally responsible for modern mass immigration. With their revolting underhandedness destroyed Germany and Europe because they couldn't deal with the fact that another country was superior to them.

>We didn't want some retarded economic sanctions that the krauts couldn't pay,

actually, yes you did. It was the French who wanted to totally buttfuck the Germans after WW1, with the British being more lenient

Stay cucked, Kraut-nigger

Vichy

>this is what stormcucks actually believe

multiculturalism is originally a canadian idea btw

Love you portugal xx

Immigration from the third world began immediately after the war, promoted by globalist politicians who literally believed that they could end war if all the races of the world were mixed together, and that immigration only increased over the years. It is THE direct consequence of Germany losing, with the Holocaust lie and cheap labor as their eternal excuse. You are completely fucking delusional if you deny this.

We will stop mocking france when they vote Marine Le Pen in.

except thats complete bullshit and it was the Germans who started the massic influx of third worlders in Europe, while the English had brexit

youre a retarded stormfaggot who has no idea what the fuck hes talking about

Was completely your war before it was a war, Josh. Read about early finances of the NSDAP.

Its not like our leadership is any better mate.

>it was the Germans who started the massic influx of third worlders in Europe, while the English had brexit
You dumb fat fucking nigger, do you only have the historical context of the last 5 years? Do you not realize that we have had immigration for fucking decades? Do you not realize that immigration from shit holes started immediately after the war for the sake of rebuilding Europe? In England particular promoted by politicians coming to power in 1948 who literally fucking stated that war would end if all races were mixed? The immigration of Merkel only accelerated an ALREADY EXISTING PROBLEM. Do you have the education of a mule, you mongrel subhuman ape?

>check flag
>2 seas away

congratz man. What is airforce ?

Goddamn Denmark has no chill