Are MGTOW's cowards for not accepting risk and responsibility?

Are MGTOW's cowards for not accepting risk and responsibility?

They're just as bad as the women they hate.

Divorce rape + regret rape + modern women = what reward are we missing out on when not taking the risks? None.

"Having kids" = No + taken away / cucked anyway (30% of kids not fathered by (you) yet raised in that belief).

Having said that. MGTOW is still a part of the dialectic (((them))) have prepared for us. So we will willingly dive into WW3.

Yeah. They generalize too much. It doesn't matter what women TEND to be like, they might still find a good one. But the reject the marriage/family on principle instead. Kind of like a silly little boycott.

Those MGTOW faggots never accept any blame for anything. It's ALL the women's fault. All women. Any women. All of them bad. It's ridiculous.

But it makes sense that more and more people will not (or should not) get married anymore. Just like you should be open to the idea of finding the right woman, you must be open to the idea of not finding her. Because there are few of them. And you have to be good enough for them. Do not get married otherwise. Leave it to the chumps.

Very subjective conclusions can be drawn about MGTOW.
I think it's risk management, but they take it to the same Marxist extremes that SJWs do.

Maybe they are bad. Maybe they are not. Why do you give a fuck?

Get off the internet and do something important.

If you don't play russian roulette with a loaded revolver you're a complete coward and a cuck

would you take the risk of jumping off a bridge and seeing if you live?

Actually you're an even bigger coward, since the chance of getting completely fucked is even higher for marriage vs only 1/6 for russian roulette

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no they're just undermen who need to be purged

they are. be careful about who you get in relationships with but on the other hand refusing them is ridiculous

Well there certainly is risk involved with LTRs and marriage that much is certain. However cowardice is an emotional response to danger not a reasoned one, and MGTOWs are specifically rejecting emotional responses to love and pair bonding for the rational benefit of protecting their male sovereignty.

You could ask someone if they're a coward for not hurling themselves off a cliff to certain death. Well no because the decision to not hurl yourself off is one based on reason and not emotion, the lack of benefit outweighs the risk/pain.

Some MGTOWs hate women but not all, it's worth remembering this. I'm a MGTOW and I'm completely indifferent about women, I recognize where they're legal and financial threats to me and avoid them where it benefits me to.

You should jump off a bridge mate. I mean you could die but then again it could be fun and you could be fine! What's a little risk right?

There's no intrinsic worth to this "risk and responsibility" you speak of.
Before the baby boomers - when most men were red pilled - no one had false ideas like that.
You associated with women to get a long term stable pussy and offspring.

I fully approve of MGTOWs who don't want to have anything to do with women.
Only reason I bother dating is because I want this offspring. Sex is overrated imho.
Once I have children, if their mom walks away or suddenly won't be there anymore, I'll quit women for good.

I don't blame the women. I blame the government/media/feminism for letting these caged nutjobs out the house.
It isn't good for their mental health. Women used to stay home and they were happy.
Now women are unhappier than ever and more and more are depressed and on prescription drugs.

Am I a coward for not gambling my life savings?

I'm gonna laugh so hard when your cheating wife takes your house and kids.
Mfw odds are you will lose everything you worked so hard for and you didn't even do anything wrong.

Yes. There are so many traditional women out there that they could marry who would never think of divorce but MGTOWs would rather sulk.

>Yeah. They generalize too much.
Who do? You're referring to MGTOW in terms of a group of men who identify this label, and then making broad claims about them, so it's somewhat hypocritical to claim that we generalize too much.

It's not so much what women TEND to be like and more about understanding what drives women biologically, things like understanding hypergamy and Briffaults law. Some women can break from their programming just like some men can stop thinking with their dick, sure. But there's no reliable way to determine over very long time periods who is who.

If I have a box of WW2 grenades and some are active and some have decayed and are duds, and I hand you the box, are you going to pick a grenade and pull the pin?

And as you say, if not all women are marriage material and certainly most are not, then there's a large amount of competition for the few who are, and in that case is it rational to put so much effort into acquiring and keeping such women when what you get back out is a net loss?

Again a lot of MGTOW is just a risk/benefit and cost/benefit analysis of modern women and the modern institution of marriage. Women have been this way throughout most of history the problem is the downsides (divorce rape) is largely what has changed in modern history.

>Risk and responsibility

I can understand the risk, but how is it their responsibility?

No, there's a fantastic case to be made for MGTOW and TRP, but since the single biggest difference between the two is that Reds actually try to take control of their lives, and their women, by bettering themselves. They're adjusting their strategy and putting in the work.

But that's like saying you're a coward for not playing Dark Souls on maximum difficulty with some mods thrown in to make the game obnoxiously hard. Or, if that's a shitty example, editing a game so that instead of memorizing all the right patterns and getting the timing down, you also have to worry about getting fucked over by scripted RNG damage even if you do everything perfectly.

>just as bad as the women they hate
They're not making anyone's lives harder by opting out of the dating (and gene) pool. They're not putting anyone in jail, ripping apart families, lying to children, police, judges, or friends and family. They're not taking money from someone because no-fault divorces are a thing.

Nice b8 though.

>It doesn't matter what women TEND to be like, they might still find a good one.

>It doesn't matter what niggers TEND to be like. You should keep finding a good one to loan money.

To procreate, I imagine, if OP isn't unironically stating that it's the responsibility of men everywhere to marry women, support them, and prevent them from fucking up their own lives because somewhere along the way it became acceptable for women to abdicate their sense of personal responsibility to the court system and let the state fuck their unlucky schmuck of a husband over in the ensuing divorce.

>it doesn't matter what women TEND to be like
>it doesn't matter what cars TEND to be like
>it doesn't matter what parachutes TEND to be like
It matters a lot, actually. Risk assessment, investment, and time management all matter a lot too.

Let's check the fact that women are too dumb at all to have started all this shit with female liberation.
It's a plan of the kikes to destroy nuclear family. Look how kikes value their own families and keep going on have marrisges. In the end is just white people that are getting the worse both men and women.

I agree with this, good analogy. I would say that most MGTOWs are "red pilled" in the sense that they understand the harsh reality about men/women/relationships. Anecdotally I think most MGTOW agree with TRP it's just the goals are different, TRP is about control and manipulation by understanding what women are really like and using that to your advantage. However TRP don't really model risk long term, they just seem to rely on the fact that their woman wont ever turn on them which is somewhat dismissing the problem.

As you say MGTOW just like TRP is about advocacy for changing your own internal behaviour and decision making, in order to improve your life or mitigate risk. So it's strange why there's so much hate for MGTOWs and why it's compared to feminism, despite having no influence on society other than to opt out of parts of it.

>Are all men who use birth control cowards for not accepting risk and responsibility of child support?
>Are all people who use seat belts cowards for not accepting the risk and responsibility of accidents?
>Are all humans who choose to eat well, sleep well, and stay clean cowards for not accepting the risk and responsibility of bacterial and viral infections?

Normally I'd post an image calling the OP a faggot but this idiocy pushed it beyond typical faggotry and into a while new dimension of fail.

>Are MGTOW's cowards for not accepting risk and responsibility?
>They're just as bad as the women they hate.

They are not stupid. Family courts have to go.

No. The problem is that western society puts far too much pressure on men and almost none on women. But MGTOW can easily be defeated anyways. The true solution would be to make society pro-male again and cut the head off of feminism, but NOBODY has the balls to do that, even the most hardcore 'right wingers' for lack of a better term.

Women and their bullshit are crashing western civilization while our system enforces it and you are still blaming men?

Men who were raised under it and turned out broken and are now trying to fix themselves?

Whats wrong with you

MGTOW was originally an offshoot of the "red pill". "Red pill" meaning the dating/sex strategies devised on reddit and other 'manosphere' blogs.

I don't agree with you that TRP don't calculate long term risk well.
Some of us would be MGTOW fully, but we have reasons.

For me, it's because I want offspring. Sex is fine, but kinda overrated.
For many others, it's about steady supply of sex or both that and offspring.

TRP and MGTOW think tanks still haven't figured out good solutions for guys who want to have families.
Surrogacy is not for me, I want a woman that would gladly take most of the responsibility at an early age (most of them gladly do).

Yes.

Sup Forums is just a reflection of western society in the sense that the people here do not believe in holding women accountable for anything. Western society believes this too. Despite women being "EQUAL", men are still expected to be the ones having a hard time, going through all the trials of life so women can have easy lives.

Nothing has changed, feminism just made it so women have it far easier than men since they get feminism and chivalry simultaneously.

If you actually turn down multiple women because oh mgtow principles then you're a fucking weirdo but I guess at least you have principles you stick to.
If, however, like I suspect most of the mgtow people you are just an angry overweight autistic faggot who has no social skills and is angry hot women are not lining up to lose your virginity then fuck you, you are just a bitter cuck looking to blame anyone but yourself for your inability to make an attractive parter.
I deeply believe most fall into the second category.

No.

Stereotypes still rage hard in western society, but I have seen how many of them are false. Just like all women are not totally bad, all MGTOW are not the fat basement guys. But it is disturbing how there is this weird internet trend where people complain because "so many young men", in their words, won't date. Young guys should not be forced to date women, just like young women should not be forced to have sex against their will.

Prevention is preferable to cure.

MGTOW is a natural reaction to the degeneracy of Western society.

false equivalence. you get nothing out of surviving

I don't understand why mgtow gets so much hate, it's not like they're trying to impose any sort of harmful law