>Previous thread Seeing as previous thread a lot of success, I would like to continue it here.
> Relieve yourself of attachment to the self (which is subject to manipulation by anything and (((anyone))) > Is several thousands years old knowledge > Promotes traditional values (respect the elders, wiser, family and community) > Literally teaches you to control your dreams (the ones you have at night) which you can use to overcome fears and challenges. > Simple techniques (don't believe the mumbo-jumbo, just sit down, close your eye and breathe, ask if you want specific [FREE] guides). > Teaches you how to breathe (Why is this not taught since kindergarten level of education?) > Literally teaches me how to be happy and cope with a seemingly shitty situation.
inb4 "it's pacifying you and teaching you to be obedient to the elites". > A major part of Buddhism is "enlightened action", basically meaning once you've achieved some sense of calm and self-realization, you will enact on the matter which your inner self (not your (((ego))) deems to be the correct way of going about. I.e not sitting in silence when someone spouts garbage about someone being racist, something being 'fake news', but standing up for sincere beneficial values for humanity as a whole.
If any anons are thinking about looking into Buddhism I would highly recommend reading this book instead of Wikipedia or something else on the web because if you do the later option it's really easy to form misconceptions about it.
Aiden Green
Vajrayana buddhism > hippy retarded buddhism
Kevin Nguyen
I really enjoyed Alan Watts' lecture series, I would suggest it to western anons. And if you don't like that, ok
Caleb Thomas
Daoism > Zen > other
Isaiah Miller
I will try to support this thread as this is something I can contribute to Sup Forums for a bit. Thanks for the redpill too
Mason Reed
if you feel compelled to do the "my sect > your sect" shit at least be educational about it
Benjamin Bell
Genuinely curious, how are the subjects of alcohol, drugs, masturbation etc addressed in Buddhist scriptures?
>I know that feel budd. Something I am struggling with myself. These bad habits will leave a trace though, inescapably so. This is what has kept me off of it for the past months. Find a teacher (be it online via recordings or IRL), you know as well as I do it is better than the current path we're on.
I worry they are too ingrained in me to ever leave, since I fell for the porn meme at a very early age, before I even knew about meditation.
The past few years of my life have been like a two pronged path, one of porn addiction and hedonism, and the other of meditation and spiritual practice/research, I've been lost on the former path for far too long.
When I try to eliminate the porn and stuff entirely from my life I only set myself up for a worse rebound each time so I try to control at least when I indulge in it, and trying to lower my libido now with meditation and seems to be helping.
I'm also at the same time trying to learn to lucid dream, and with the promise to myself that I will try out some of my biggest porn fantasies there so there is no need to watch internet porn because it will be inferior to lucid dreaming, which is true but lucid dreaming takes a lot of practice, effort and discipline, yet so does meditation, and meditation is constantly said to be a great and beneficial foundation for lucid dreaming.
Two birds one stone.
Jason Evans
I don't know about scripture but LSD and shrooms got me into spirituality and thus Buddhism.
Camden Morris
You can if you are willing to sacrifice your hair first.
David Young
>Turning your back on Lord KEK
fuck off heretics
Justin Butler
Literally the only buddhist scripture I read probihits all that stuff. (More like increases suffering and is therefore not part of the Eightfold way)
Aaron Harris
What about Pure Land Buddhism?
>It's the same as Christianity
No it is not, Amida is not your creator and going to a pure abode is contained in the pali canon.
I am not a Buddhist but Amidism fascinates me. Also I think that if White people became Buddhist they would re-awaken their spirit and become once again politically powerful. We could have a focus on Jesus as Bodhisattva to differentiate us from Asians.
Noah Walker
Thanks, will check it out and include it in the next general.
Any specific ones?
Ty
Jonathan Reyes
Prohibited as they will corrupt the state of all meditation advancement. But it is still acceptable if you don't want to commit full time Buddhism.
Evan Sullivan
Bump. In Theravada Buddhism, drugs are condemned as in the fifth commandment, you must not drink or take drugs as it leads to addiction. And addiction is an obstacle to enlightenment.
Gabriel Cox
Buddhism has to first of all separate itself from the New Age movement which is liberal, decadent and corrupt.
"I don't want to get labeled as an idiot for following a religion, and my intellectual skepticism won't allow me to be a religious wing-job, so I'm going to follow a religion that's actually not 's religion, it's supported by science and facts unlike other religions and it's more of a lifestyle."
>wew almost dodged a bullet there, religious people are stupid xD
Andrew Moore
buddhism does not take a hard line against any of those things, but do advice not to take on practices which increases clinging (thanha in pali), and practices which reduce self-awareness. ultimately, 'what you sow is what you reap'
Blake Bailey
some drugs arent addictive though not sure what was their specific definition for drugs though
Chase Howard
>implying
Jeremiah Butler
be ever wary
Christian Morris
You should look into Shinran's school. The most developed form of Pure Land IMHO.
Nicholas Long
Ah yes, my mum wanted to meet him for while now. Even went to Plum Village a few years ago but sadly did not meet him.
Lincoln Thompson
I think it was this one, pretty interesthing though. Summs buddhism up quite well
Those things are prohibited because they put your mind into a dazed state. Even dancing and listening to music are prohibited in order to avoid over excitement.
Jaxson Perez
I mean here. Doesn't have to be formal. I guess this is good enough if we can gather and communicate regularly. Let's help each other dispel illusion, grow compassion, and ease suffering.
Landon Diaz
It's a minimalist lifestyle, nothing more. Any western millennial who is pretentious enough to go around calling himself a Buddhist is, in fact, a faggot.
Zachary Perez
is stimulating your gonads without touching yourself is your end game?
Jack Hall
...
Jonathan Ortiz
nice
Camden Rogers
What was that which you just said about me, my friend? I think you ought to know that I have completed my time as a novice-monk, and I've passed through the Gateless Gate, and I've lived for over 300 cycles of rebirth. I am trained in anapanasati and I'm the most senior bhikkhuni in my local sangha. You are nothing to me but just another human being worthy of dignity and respect. I will have compassion upon you with loving-kindness the likes of which has never been seen before in the Cycle of Samsara - you would do well to remember these words. Do you believe that you can say these things and still escape the principle of dependent origination? Perhaps you should reexamine those beliefs, brother. As we speak I am contemplating the importance of accepting your words with detachment and equanimity, so, without malice, I advise you to prepare for the storm, young one. The storm of suffering that afflicts all living creatures in this world. You are trapped in a cycle of death and rebirth, child. Not only am I extensively trained in the Mahayana Tripitaka, but I have access to the entire Pali canon as well, and I will use its teachings to their full extent to help alleviate the suffering within you which causes you to say hurtful things about others. You could reach Nirvana anywhere, any time, and I can help you achieve enlightenment in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with the study of Koan. If only you could understand what evil karma these words of yours would sow, perhaps you would have had the wisdom to keep silent. Nevertheless, this was beyond what you have been prepared for, and so I promise that I will do my best to ease the suffering that you have brought upon yourself. I will teach you the path of the Bodhisattva and you will revel in it. Your suffering may yet reach its end, child.
Kayden Myers
Drugs that makes you dizzy and forgetful that's the meaning I believe
Isaiah Barnes
No?
My end game is to abolish the need for internet pornography and free myself from that addiction.
Joseph Price
Great pasta
Wyatt Morales
Basically stuff that makes you go into a daze, not aware of what you're doing, stuff like that.
That means excessive alcohol too. I think it's ok if you don't drink too much.
Carson Collins
You're freeing yourself from lust by seeking another, more intense form of lust? top kek the root of the problem is the addiction itself
Ethan Williams
The most uncucked forms of (at least East Asian) Buddhism seem to be Nichiren and Rinzai Zen. The latter is very martial, it was the religion of the Samurai.
As for Nichiren, he was some kind of extremist Buddhist Japanese Nationalist. He advocated the burning of the opponent sect's temples and beheading of the priests who disagreed with him.
He did some kind of mental gymnastics to make this consistent with Buddhism. Basically the idea is that what seems as hatred is just a form of compassion. So when he was violent to others it was just a way to wake them up. (Similar logic to Rinzai's violent style: Zen masters kicking and shouting at their disciples.) Except that Nichiren extended it to the whole nation of Japan, not just to his disciples like the Rinzai people did.
Angel Wood
I can respect Buddhism. I don't know too much about it but it seems quite psychedelic to me, just without the drugs. I remember Terence Mckenna talking about how he gave a very old Tibetan monk DMT and the monk described it as "the lesser lights " . Basically where you go after death. I believe the greatest adventures lie ahead after death too.
Is Buddhism a sort of preparation for life in the after death body ?
Noah Clark
Zen for all. Without walking meditation I would've quit.
Yes we can help each other about things we can't understand and help other understand more about the religion. > we are front-line for global Buddhism now
Jayden Powell
+1
Bentley Powell
Well suppressing it entirely has not been working either.
A balance must be reached. And I already long ago had the desire to lucid dream, not just for experiencing those sex fantasies but for other reasons, this way again, two birds with one stone.
You might be misinterpreting what I'm saying but then again you're the one who was wrong here anyways.
Carter Jones
there are practices that deal with preparation and it is very important
basically "lel i'll just reincarnate, it's ok" is a bad approach, a serious buddhist should be well prepared for death, lots of effort involved
Wyatt Howard
Just Meditate. Everything you need to know you will learn through it. Anything else will just distract you and fill your head with more nonsense. I'm not saying that Buddhism or any spiritual guidance is bullshit, but it ultimately creates inhibition to try and learn that way. The ultimate truth is infinite and permeates everything, it can be hidden and misinterpreted but it never changes. Only uninhibited meditation will allow you to see it in its true form. Everything else comes automatically as a result of your realization. Just meditate.
Gabriel Clark
Saved. Also, those digits and that flag.
Jacob Ortiz
>goteeeeem >based watts
Jayden Martin
no, that would be a waste of your current life! buddhism strives to free mind of clinging so that you may attain nirvana
Evan Ward
>ultimate goal is spiritual death No thanks.
Jack Ross
Wew
Nathaniel Nguyen
>Also, what you're describing is accurate. The ego denies anything that opposes its own reality (i.e. you are able to feel pure bliss and happiness, regardless of circumstances). Masters are able to deny ego's demand to overcome this state of bliss (look into destabilization of lucid dreams, the ego triggers this)
Can you elaborate on this some more OP?
How exactly is the ego involved in destabilization of lucid dreams? And can the various dream stabilization techniques (rubbing hangs, being more aware of surroundings and objects in the scene etc) overcome that?
David Turner
I'm actually a Thail person studying here. I'll contribute what I can.
Christian Wood
We all are trying to escape the cycle of life aka samsara. Because we think living another life from birth is a pain in the ass. It is okay if you are born to rich people and such. But what if you are born in Afghanistan/Somali.
We also believe doing good deeds can have a better life in the next cycle of life.
Joseph Gutierrez
What you say about being 'too ingrained' actually has a way higher threshold than porn in the teachings that I have looked into. There's definitely hope, and a way out. Fuck man, if you're OK with using this life to exhaust your degenerate habits so that you'll do better in the next, it's actually better than living in denial.
The turning point for me was realizing it is not about control, but allowing. Meaning that I am not trying to control urges, but rather allow 'positive' ones to manifest. Once you sit down on that cushion and allow, you won't judge your fantasies, but rather see that they're part of a bigger pattern spanning over many lifetimes. It gives me alot of motivation knowing that by _NOT_ doing that one 'bad' thing, I am defying the patterns I have made for myself over many lifetimes. I wish you the best of luck, and will refer you to this teaching which gave me a lot of perspective on this matter:
> You must not drink or take drugs as it leads to addiction
While this is true, I would mean that certain substances allows one to express oneself without interference from the ego. Ideally of course, this should not be necessary. I understand that the scriptures are blatant, though.
Who /jamming/ here? youtube.com/watch?v=Q6-DmV4dhek While drugs like alcohol to an extent does remove self-awareness, isn't this more in the sense of cognitive ability? Does it not eliminate parts of egotistical restrictions we put upon ourselves without it? Just throwing it out there.
Another resource for my collection, yes. Thanks for the contribution. Have an upboat :^)
Question of the day: Why do Buddhist monks shave their head? Bonus points if you answer without googling.
Angel Johnson
>Just meditate.
Easier said than done unfortunately.
Isaac Roberts
redpill me on Buddhism
Jacob Taylor
Sounds like fucking Islam. Kill yourself please.
Ian King
>>ultimate goal is spiritual death other (default) choice according to buddhist belief is samsaric existence with all that entails - happiness, sadness, loss, grief, old age, death, rebirth etc. in that context nirvana is a blessing for the believers
Ryder Roberts
No. The purpose of life is to familiarise yourself with the after death body so not to create confusion in the psyche at the moment of passing. William Blake also said at death there is a chance of falling from the spiral and into eternal death
That's what I take from it anyway
Henry Thomas
>You will never get to fuck Mara's hot demon daughters Feels bad karma man
Jason Rogers
>the one who was wrong here anyways lulz, like meditation is not just sitting down and shutting the fuck up anyway not sure whether ot not the lucid dreaming thing is gonna help you, but it's worth a try just for the sake of lucid dreaming itself
>Why do Buddhist monks shave their head? symbol of freeing from material needs
Benjamin Reyes
It is. Just sitting for 15 minutes trying to concentrate on your breathing is hard
Nolan Anderson
Daily reminder that Buddhism was practiced by the classical Greeks
Cameron Nelson
Are you interested in lore or practicing?
Matthew Walker
I prefer pacing slowly and focus on the steps instead. It works a lot better for me than sitting.
Josiah Adams
Lot of its teachings are meant for the student to give themselves over entirely to the master/the order, they are not fit for dissemination and practice in modern Western society.
Treat the practice as secular as possible if you must, whether or not you are a spiritual person.
Thomas Diaz
source?
i understand that stoicism has a lot in common with some buddhist teachings
Adam Green
Is there any other good listening material on the subject other than Watts?
Michael Collins
Is concentration meditation just distracting yourself from everything but the object?
Gabriel Thompson
Yes whatever you seems fit. Forms are just mandatory. What is important is to be mindful of what you are doing/thinking.
Hunter Smith
second part reffering to
Benjamin Mitchell
I know Robert Anton Wilson (one of my personal heroes) talked about Buddhism but I'm not sure to what extent. Either way he is a joy to listen to on any subject
Jaxon Moore
pharmaceuticals do this and are addictive, what say there?
Andrew Gutierrez
>>/101919242#p101945714
I can see that buddhism might have the effect of enlightened action for some, but isn't the goal to cease willful action? i.e. if you are still acting in pursuit of some goal, you haven't accomplished the goal of buddhism?
Matthew Taylor
this is the post, wasn't sure how to quote This is an interesting, albeit unfounded, criticism towards Buddhism (partially skewed by the way it is portrayed in MSM). As mentioned in OP, an undervalued part of Buddhism is indeed enlightened action, which allows you to act on those ideas which arose during your meditation / self reflection. Think of it as when you're sitting down and having an exam or going to sleep. You might have all of these unrelated ideas about what you are going to do with your life to 'show them' or 'that'll teach em' or 'I wish I did more of this'. Through my experience with Buddhist teachings; when applied correctly, I am able to go through with these ideas and act on them, and trust me, they are not about sitting down and waiting for things to happen. They are indeed about talking, interacting and informing people about what you might otherwise be afraid to talk about.
Isaiah Moore
that's total bullshit but its pretty interesting
pic related fyi
Asher Sullivan
It kinda is. It is difficult to focus only one thing constantly. It is also can be said as training of your mind. It can also increase your memorization capabilities and such.
Brayden Sullivan
Anyone here listen to Ajahn Amaro's talks? He's a really interesting teacher IMO, at times he almost seems like a comedian but he seems to really know what he's talking about. youtube.com/watch?v=YRtEjEhjUbo
Jace Wright
NO DRUGS
Jeremiah Nguyen
...
Kayden Thomas
i was born to rich parents and was abused to the brink of madness
David Cruz
Sure it is just sitting down (or for me laying down usually) but there is still a difference between doing it right and not doing it at all.
For one thing, for the longest time I thought mediation could only happen with deep breathing, and belly breathing at that, so I would do that and feel the effects of overbreathing- tingles and numbness rolling over the body and think I was meditating, but instead I was chasing a false sensation.
It's important to be aware of these things and research and remember what you researched instead of thinking you don't have to read any guides and stuff because you totally remember it, or else you will find yourself sitting/lying down but never actually meditating.
Then there is the fact of non-directed meditation which is not concerned with focusing on breath/etc like mindfulness but instead sitting/lying down and allowing the mind to wander where it wants, never nudging your thoughts nor judging them in any way.
And yet do that wrong and you are also not meditating non-directive but instead daydreaming, in fact its hard to tell the difference and I still don't know if non-directive meditation is even an actual thing and as beneficial as directed meditation.
This is why reading, and re-reading guides is important.
Brody Wright
> isn't this more in the sense of cognitive ability Yes and that's precisely why they should be avoided. They root you back into your body and ego.
Adam Reyes
Related: youtube.com/watch?v=aAcHPkj4aNE Tibetan Buddhism and the Tibetan book of the dead deals very seriously about the transition between life and death. When a monk dies accompanied by fellow monks they literally shout "YOU'RE DEAD, YOU'RE DEAD" because they believe hearing is the last sense which gets lost which apparently is scientifically proven [citation needed]. Check out the movie Enter the Void for a commercial and simplified introduction.
Can you give the tl;dr my friend? Was Hitler a Buddhist?
Thanks!
Was not aware you're looking into LD, this a major step, just learning about the existence of the practice, so congratulations on that. I've been delving into it for a while. While the sexual fantasies are awesome, and as you say, more vivid and convincing than any screen will ever portray, the mind quickly thinks of other possibilities to utilize this skill. I used it to combat my social anxiety, family relations, discovering the secret of Atlantis to name a few. Again, people know about this shit, and have written about it. A mind-opener for me was Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche, who has very specific techniques on how to develop this skill.
Word. Mind if I ask what lead you to this conclusion though? What sent you onto the path of meditation?
Then what is? :-)
> Can you elaborate on this some more OP?
How exactly is the ego involved in destabilization of lucid dreams? And can the various dream stabilization techniques (rubbing hangs, being more aware of surroundings and objects in the scene etc) overcome that?
1st off, thank you for your question. The ego is involved in the sense that it will draw you towards what your ego throughout your lifetimes has conditioned you into being attracted to. This can mean anything. Fascinating historical or fictional phenomena, sexual fantasies (this is probably the most common these days), arguments with your boss etc.Cont
Camden Johnson
It is hard to say. At the age of Buddha, nerve enchaning drugs does not exist yet. I think the main things he prohibit are weeds and alcohol as weed is common in India at this time.
It's just my opinion no context.
Ryan Howard
Did you get better at it? How was it like?
Jackson Bennett
what is the self? we don't know. meditation is ridding yourself of thought and then accepting that we don't know what or who we are, and in that acceptance comes grace
Ryan Young
there are instances buddha has OKed taking alcohol to buddhist monks for medication. so, it's not the alcohol per se which is the forbidden thing, but dependency that it can develop which astrays you from the 8 fold path.
i wonder drugs can give you similar levels of higher kind of awareness which you can achieve through meditation. on the other hand, i'm pretty sure when buddhists try to reduce attachment to self and ego, it is different from reduced inhibited state alcohol induces. say, as an example, a drunk guy would make a fool of himself, but a person who's less egoistical wouldn't want to - not because he has a big ego not to get bruced, but becuase it's "foolish"
