Y'all need university

How does it feel to know that your opinions on politics are informed by how uninformed you are?

I may be some dumb cuck in the university system but you're just some red-pilled dingus who gets their political views from a message board.

Sage

ya no. i do my own research faggot.

also wowww university. cool. have fun getting a wageslave job and being in debt.

>Being surrounded by third worlders and communists
No thanks.

PIC RELATED GRADUATED UNIVERSITY

WORKING GREAT

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You wanna have a highest degree obtained duel?

FORGOT THE BEANS

gonna be in debt undoubtedly, that's not in question, just the validity of my views, feel free to be rich and uninformed

DINNER SERVED, EDUCATED FOLK

i'd lose for sure, I think youre in the minority though

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>leaf university
come back when you're in a top 20 school

i am more informed than you will ever be because youre a brainwashed cuck who probably gets his news from the ((((((TV)))))) HAHAHA pathetic. stop embarrassing yourself

not an argument

>canada's best university is ranked 21st
you're probably not even in a top 100 school

Did the word "university" turn into "TV" in your mind?

I wish I was that optimistic again. Don't even care if you're trolling.

Fuck you.

what did you mean by this? you think nobody else on Sup Forums goes to university? wew

Let's say I'm at the 500th best university in the world, I think it's unlikely I'll be less informed than someone out of it.

>Cultist explaining how his cult is enlightened and we all need it
Standard behavior of a brainwash victim.

You may have better aligned priorities, I'm just wondering if you still feel justified in your political views

>6 schools in the top 200 universites
canada is a literal joke, why even post this?

impossible, I went to Harvard faggot creating bootcamp

Population 1/10th of the size of yours with the 21st best university in the world, u srs?

so you get your news from your university huh? how fucking dumb are you leaf.

After getting through grad school? After all the debt and misery the job market rolled in my direction?

I don't care anymore. Fuck off, leaf. Come talk to me again in 10 years.

It's like you think that spending time studying something makes you less educated... even cultists like we are study their cult

Apparently views turned into news as well.
But yeah, I would say my school is a pretty good place to get information that helps shape my views

Affirmative Action Scholars

These guys had a romantic year traveling through Pakistan.

No math
No science
No technology

We Wuz Kangz 101
Black History 201
Basketball 103

Maybe, maybe not. But everyone else aside, if I have a higher degree than you does that mean I'm superior according to your logic?

Youre allowed not to care, also means youre choosing to opt out of the group of people who claim their views are justified

My point is that you shouldn't brag about your """education""" unless you're in a top 10 school for your major

Yeah, I'd say on average university degrees are an imperfect measure of the time and effort someone has dedicated to something, generally means a more nuanced and arguablly superior opinion

i have a masters tho

Justification doesn't count for anything these days.

It's something you'll learn in time.

I guess I presented my argument badly, am from leaf country after all.

University in general not just Canadian one.

Also Canadians have several top 10 programs

Cop-out

Saying no-ones views are valid, including mine, so therefore they all are, is wrong

Gonna have to explain that one to me, apparently I missed that day in class

It's whatever you make it to be if you're far enough away from it.

alrighty

>implying anyone needs to go to school for politics
Name one philosopher of antiquity who you think needed to go to university to be a prolific as they got to being. I'll wait (I won't).

>makes circular argument because current university system didn't exist in antiquity
>doesn't realize 99% of modern philosophers went to university
>confuses needing to with wanting to or benefiting from

unless you are going to school for something like medicine or a hard science that can be applied or engineering something that actually provides you with a useful in demand skill you wont get anywhere unless you are an exceptional people person able to network and make connections or have preexisting connections and just need a degree in order to get the job.
University does not make someone smarter and may lead them down a narrow minded rigid path of thinking due to following what their professor says while thinking they are hot shit because they went to university.

I was homeschooled until I was 7, when I joined a heavy metal band. I've learnt all my political views from scrolls I've found on my raids.

I only come here to learn some pillaging tips from the romanian poo in the loo super race.

Most of us are probably in college or recent graduates lad

I mean people are actually replying to those messages where if you don't, your mom dies tonight.

Great point, I really don't want to seem like I'm saying university makes you more employable, college likely does that better.

I don't ever want to use the word smarter, but more informed and with more nuanced opinions I'd say.

I know theyre kinda bullshit but I think I heard on Freakonomics that every year in university equals to an average of 11% higher earnings per year on average. Although that may be skewed by the hard sciences you referred to.

So you agree college helps?

you'll never reach these people my friend, they're too far gone....

Are you calling us black?

Shared this twice, she's good, dont worry

So wut do?

I can only be a smug dick who feels superior for a while before I feel shitty that this is the real world

think of it this way; these star spangled fuck-wits are dying out fast. think of this as their last gasp before they decline into total irrelevance...

Depressing! So then you just browse pol for the maymays?

Well if by university you mean undergrad, then as someone who is more educated, I have a more meaningful opinion that I would like you to listen to:

University doesn't mean much. It shows you have the *capacity* to pass the entrance exams but not much else. Some people who find opportunities and work hard can get a lot out of it. Most people just dick around, party, and feed on activist propaganda which teaches them no life skills. I learned 50x more about life in my first few months of having a 9 to 5 than I ever did in school. Only things I learned in undergrad was how to shotgun a beer, get puss, and tune out some fucko going on about race, class, and gender.

In fact I find my friends who have tech careers more pleasant and decent people- they haven't been corrupted with the college snobbery and activism, they are down to earth, have real jobs, dress like normal people, and have regular families. Hell if I could go back I might forget university and just start welding or something.

i just love how easily these people get triggered and cry that people are invading their safe space of /pol. I cant get enough of the irony; its just too good

I've always read a lot. I've been averaging a book a week since I was 14 and I'm 28 in a few weeks. Most undergraduates I've spoken with (when I went to university) had no clue about anything. People don't fucking read. My first year of political philosophy was a breeze because I had already read plato, Marx and De Bouvoir etc. and you have a huge advantage if you're rereading when doing an assignment. Political philosophy was entirely focused on Utopian (marxist) thinkers which I found funny, and also vindicating. When I did a presentation on Burke no one had a fucking clue who I was talking about and thought I was nuts. The prof in that class respected me, but hated that I knew as much or even more than he did and really loved to challenge me on my papers/assignments/presentations. Needless to say I switched majors and got into finance because I don't need a degree to teach me shit I have already read (often at least twice). Unfortunately even Finance, and economics is also largely ideological in nature and universities can be heavily biased in this way.

Luckily I got a decent job, better than I would have if I stuck with poli-sci/philosophy, and learned things I otherwise would have not had a chance. Not 6 figures but until I move to the US I don't care about making money for the gov to bring in more rapefugees

Fair enough, do you think the political activists and shotgunners learn nothing?
Or at least learn less than they would have outside of university over the same time?
I'm not really taking on which makes a person more bearable, I think part of the snobbery is a result of feeling like youve been exposed to more information and are therefore more informed than someone else, justified or not.

If I meet someone studying engineering I immediately assume I know more about my field than them, although I've been proven wrong in that exact scenario.

If I meet a chef, I immediately assume they know more about a kitchen and cooking than I do.

The engineer example was an outlier though, there's a tendency to learn when you study- no matter how little, people who fuck around 24/7 for example.

So is my premise unfair?

So for the hyper-motivated university is not the best course of action?

Or do you think youre the norm? Or instead should university only be an option to people like you?

It's funny because before I went to university I thought that it should be only for the people who really want to learn. It shouldn't be about jobs and careers, but simply learning. But university is not for those people at all, and the truly talented and motivated ones can definitely do without it.

For people who really enjoy to learn university is mostly restrictive, and you won't be interested in it until you finish grinding through your undergrad and start a masters or Phd program. And 4 years of undergrad can kill all the joy you used to get out of certain subjects.

It pigeonholes you into these niche subjects which is why so many graduates are unemployable despite having an "education". There are no jobs in their field, or their learned skills don't translate so they have to be data entry clerks for 2 years before moving on to anything half-decent.

If you go to university be damn sure to be 1) in a program with abundant career opportunity 2) at the top of your class. Otherwise it's mostly a waste of money.

That's why people say university is transitioning from it's original intention (higher learning with a specific theoretical basis) to being viewed as college 2.0, training for your career.

Not to sound too Marxist but It's a reality that in our society, capitalism realigns our goals, I used to love history but in a pretty directionless manner, now that I'm in university I almost exclusively use it with the purpose of understanding knowledge to apply to my current degree.

School is no different than anything in life, you get out what you put in. And yes university can actually be a bad thing for some people, wasting money on useless degrees etc. For me school was cash flow: do good enough to get to the next level so you can become a professional and that's all. Yeah it's a fun four years and I definitely had a good time but I saw a lot of friends who never grew out of it.

I don't assume people who went to college are necessarily smarter or more educated. The ones who got a lot out of it and didn't chose shitty degrees are in a class of their own as far as education, but they are just more learned (not necessarily more intelligent.) For example I know at least three stone cold stupid bimbos who went to university to get their "Mrs." In one case, when the four years were up and daddie's money, the coke, and parties were over- she ended up a burnout skeezer working at Ron Jon workshop.
She'd have been better off staying in the small town and getting just finding some receptionist job or something.

I understand your point, yes you probably pick up some knowledge at a university, and it's just a priceless experience really in some ways (great memories) but it's also possible to pick up a lot of other things. Degenerate and lazy ways, stunted maturity into an adult, activist theories, daddy problems, drug habits, student debt, you name it. Besides, your higher education and knowledge should be apparent to people without them knowing you even went to a university.

Going out university does not translate into being politically informed. I'm in undergrad and none of my courses have any relation to politics. Many people in STEM just treated humanities courses as easy A's, but don't actually base their views on the concepts they learned about in those courses.

I can't rely on school to be politically informed, so why should I believe that other people are better informed on these matters just because they go to a university?

I graduated with a BA and for most people it's not the right path.
Uni is not for everyone.

>Not to sound too Marxist but It's a reality that in our society, capitalism realigns our goals

I wouldn't be so quick to blame capitalism for the state of university education as it stands. Our schools are heavily, heavily subsidized by the state (socialism). People respond to incentives like that, so remember than whatever the government subsidies you'll get more of it. It is this socialist policy that has ruined the value of a university degree.

Does studying anything cuck you or does it benefit the development of opinions?

Did none of your STEM knowledge impact opinions? Do you think a biology major freaks out about the new virus in the same way the average person does?

Whether or not it's the right path did it benefit your opinion forming?

>102268199
I could be wrong but my theory (opinion) is that people who learn that little from university are the exception and are in sense not actually participating in University, if you can pass and still fuck up, you really put in work to do that, yet I still would say they know more about their topic, and in my opinion have more developed (read: better) opinions than someone who didnt go and spent the same time working. Even aside from content the learning processes would benefit someone.

I could be wrong but my theory (opinion) is that people who learn that little from university are the exception and are in sense not actually participating in University, if you can pass and still fuck up, you really put in work to do that, yet I still would say they know more about their topic, and in my opinion have more developed (read: better) opinions than someone who didnt go and spent the same time working. Even aside from content the learning processes would benefit someone.

Capitalism in tandem with (or underlying) socialism is how I see it, it's increased access to a good that is now (largely) economically oriented.

>A fucking leaf

I'm a philosophy grad - I was never prone to irrationality long before I ever went to uni, and nothing I learned in uni has had much impact on how I analyze and react to states of affairs.

I think many people develop bad habits and cumulative stress that takes a toll on their ability to think rationally about things from going to uni - I've witnessed it in other people many times. Most majors don't require any real critical thinking from students. The classes are rote-memorization mills, where you can get good grades and graduate without learning or sharpening a single cognitive skill simply by putting in the drudge work and doing mindless homework and study sessions.

And above all is the monetary cost and damage to others caused by the unhealthy and wrong idea that everyone needs to or should go to uni.
Uni costs would be a *FRACTION* of what they were today if not for the way overstacked demand for uni educations brought about by a generation of parents who had it ingrained into their skulls that the only path to success in life was through uni.

Let me guess you have been indoctrinated by the university to "Think for yourself" unless your opinion is politically incorrect or anti leftist

Better informed here than in US MSM. This is a fucking fact that you cannot dispute. Obama education? What did he do? Lawyer I suppose... all these corrupt asshole are.

I took every class my college offered on Islam and got A's. Also took many others on cultures and history.
If the establishment has any idea what it's doing then how did Libya happen?

Oil period.

I predicted Libya without know shit other than which countries have oil. GF thought I was crazy, but guess which country we fucked with next. Yep. Oil.