>“That thing that looks like a gaming device in your hand, along with that strange stroking movement you make with your hands is by no means attractive to me, nor am I at all impressed by it. I feel a sense of revulsion for it, in fact.
>I’m sure in short time there will be an increase in people on trains making those strange masturbatory strokes. It was the same when everyone started reading manga on trains, and when it became cellphones – I’m fed up with it.”
>It may seem like I am ignoring your human rights to say this, but you can’t research any of that. Why? Because you have no way of knowing what it’s like to be on an old trireme, or having empathy with the men on board, covered in sweat as they labour at their oars.
>You go out into the world without enriching your imagination. You are merely grasping the iWhatever as a skimming tool you use to stroke yourself.
>I’m sure there are many people who want to become omnipotent by getting their hands on this iWhatever. I’ll tell you sir, there were once a bunch of people who wore radio cassette players (those bulky things) wherever they went in the sixties. They wore it like a priceless emblem.
>They’re mostly probably living off of pension funds now, but you and them are the same. You jump at the newest gadgets, and all you do is relish the pride in owning one as some consumer.
>You must not become a consumer. You must become someone that creates.”
Everytime I ride the bus, EVERYONE is on an iWhatever. Parents and children alike are playing Pokemon Go. Obnoxious teens are loudly playing shit music. I am almost always the only one with my head raised.
Colton Sanchez
アニメは間違いでした。
Gavin Scott
>implying there's something better to do on the bus
Samuel Moore
>what is philosophizing on the bus
Nathan Ross
this is why i must create no longer must i sit idly by on my computer and instead go out and become something from my dreams.
It's not that I think we should all sit twiddling our thumbs during bus rides. I just think people are looking down at their iWhatever way too much in general and I see it most dramatically on the bus. It's one thing to check your phone now and again, text some people, whatever. It's another to be staring at it for an hour like a zombie. Why not read a book? Or this ?
Samuel Price
Checked.
I never even realised how closely I can relate to Miyazaki.
Lincoln Russell
OK old-timer, it's medication time
Hunter Martin
>neckbeards that scroll down 10 posts per page on an oregami forum complaining about normies doing the same on their social network
Kevin Baker
He's 100% right. People always call Miyazaki a bitter old man but it's only because his opinions make them uncomfortable, he is from a generation that was not afraid to call people out on their bullshit, and this is indigestible to our generation.
The problem is that, with the mass adoption of this masturbatory technology, this accelerating consumer culture, those who do not participate are left to starve in the dust, they can not communicate with others, they can not relate with others, to an extent they will even have a difficulty making a living without embracing modern masturbatory tech and consumer bullshit. It is difficult to just put the phone down when your entire life hinges upon it, but if society is to move in a positive direction then sacrifices must be made.
I like how he talks of the trireme, the older generations were forced to work together, work in-sync and cooperate and find joy in cooperation and mutual success, this is effectively the meaning of human existence, to overcome the limitations of the individual through teamwork is gratifying in and of itself. Modern people do not cooperate, they isolate themselves in their own digital worlds and live only for themselves, and then they get depressed and kill themselves, rightfully so. They are not creators, they don't contribute to society in any meaningful way, they don't row their oars, and so modern civilization is lost at sea and tumbling in the waves and the crew only want to leap into the water and drown themselves in despair.
Daniel Thompson
Jokes on you, i use the catalog
Lincoln Davis
that's why i intend to take advantage of these fucks and drain them of all their cash all I need is 10 million dollars initial capital
Carter Evans
Jesus fucking Christ. He's Alan Moore 2.0.
Jackson Cox
You know you can read a book on your iWhatever now grandpa? Shut up before I send you into a retirement home.
Christian Williams
>people shouldn't look at stories and information on a screen for an hour >why not look at stories and information on a piece of wood instead?
Landon Johnson
a trireme? what is he 3000 years old?
Oliver Sanchez
If it is a choice between mindless consumption and sitting idly then you should sit idly. Why ruin your brain with the constant abuse of your pleasure pathways? You know this is a major cause of depression, nobody seems to acknowledge this anymore, but constantly texting and playing instant-gratification games is rotting your brain with serotonin, that is what Miyazaki means when he calls it "masturbatory technology", it is literally akin to masturbating on the bus. You do not need to be constantly hooked into this cyberspace pleasure network to survive, in fact it is actively destroying you, even the most benign electronic things harm you.
Jack Taylor
You can read on buses.
Jackson Cooper
He thinks you should be writing stories, not just reading them. Your entire life should not be based entirely around consumption, by refusing the creative aspect you are refusing to contribute meaningfully to society.
Obviously writing is not the only way to contribute to society creatively, all you need to do is unhook yourself from your pleasure box and join the real world, do something real, work together with friends and do something meaningful. All he is saying is to stop being so selfish and masturbatory.
Gavin Richardson
Once again Mr. Miyazaki telling the hard cold truths.
Benjamin Jones
Yeah because staring at the back of a seat is so much better right?
I bought a 120G iPod years ago and you know what I listen to while doing mundane shit? Audio books.
I don't give a fuck about the new model of whatever, it does the job perfectly and I'm educating myself while you're stroking your own ego for what? looking out the window of a bus?
David Brooks
The guy is legitimately insane and has too much saying while being artistically impotent.
Japanese respect for elderly was a mistake.
Bentley Sullivan
>never owned an iphone, or mobile phone for that matter
I have fun staring at everyone if I'm waiting around; most times they don't even know I'm watching
Lucas Reyes
We should stop giving pensions to old people they're nothing but leeches.
Xavier Collins
>Had to have one of these for work fuck
Brody Russell
Two nukes weren't enough fuck you poor fags who can't even get an iPhone. I read the fuck out of history articles on my phone because it's convenient
Hudson Cruz
I wouldn't accept the job; fuck them with their literal mark of the beast
Self-employed master race here
Lucas Cox
>artistically impotent The Wind Rises was excellent.
Joshua Baker
Maybe Miyazaki is not calling out what you or anyone does in the bus, maybe he is calling out the goys who just cant wait to consume whatever is hip
Xavier Diaz
I wish. But it's necessary for have Onfleet and a GPS.
Juan Taylor
lel buttmad iCuck
Thomas Sanders
kek
Ethan Phillips
lol the people in this thread should be burned
terrible people
Isaac Hughes
That is exactly what he is saying, people are reading too far into his examples.
His whole quip is with meaningless consumption - consuming without the intent to use the knowledge to create, or consuming completely worthless garbage for pleasure. I think what he finds most disgusting is the shameless nature of this garbage consumption, how it is acceptable to go on the bus and meaninglessly pleasure yourself public like a masturbator, only you are using manga instead porn, and then some even have the nerve to be proud of it too, it is disgusting.
Juan Lopez
Miyazaki reads Ayn Rand
my man
Eli Jones
I don't know how to do anything with my life though.
Colton Collins
>sankaku
Is that site still alive?
Jacob Smith
The Wind Rises was ok*
Thomas Morgan
>the bus
/n/'s worst meme
Kayden Reyes
why does he always wear an apron?
Dominic Jenkins
>You must not become a consumer. You must become someone that creates.
Do memes count?
Henry Wood
>had iPads for the last 4 years >only used them for porn to jack it maybe 20-30 times in total
Def not chronic, dude, I got it under control.
Kayden Morris
I read the art of war on a bus.
Christopher Williams
a lot of loyalty for a hired loli
Christopher Wood
>>You must not become a consumer. You must become someone that creates.”
What an idiot. You must be both a consumer and a creator. It's the rule of learning how to command you must first learn how to obey.
Miyazaki should think again.
Eli Bailey
I have a smartphone but I mostly use it at home when I get tired of sitting in front of my computer. When I'm out of the house with it I only take it out of my pocket to actually use it as a phone.
Connor Rivera
I love this man's dedication to his principles. He's unwavering. His constant hate and denigration of his lackluster son is blissful.
>"Do-San I have have tried my hardest to honour you through my latest efforts" >"I am disappoint. Once again you find way to underachieve. Your generation is trash." >"But Do-San..." >"DISAPPOINT!"
Caleb Anderson
Myazaki=Jodorowsky?
Jackson Hernandez
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Blake Jones
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Brandon Hill
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James Price
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Camden Martinez
>those who do not participate are left to starve in the dust, they can not communicate with others, they can not relate with others, to an extent they will even have a difficulty making a living without embracing modern masturbatory tech and consumer bullshit.
This is so fucking true. I have the recent two years gave up my smartphone for a dumb android and switched to linux from windows and shut out all kinds of media. It's incredibly hard to communicate if you don't use any social platform or message apps which everyone uses daily. If you don't play vidya games or likes anime you are a outcast as a young person.
In Sweden as well to use legitimation on the web to pay for things with your bank or for indentification (think Social ID) you need either Windows or Smartphone because thats only there were the software works. I have to use emulators to emulate Windows and Androids to fucking pay my bills or get around in this society. They also in the future want to ban all physical cash, having to rely only on credit cards here.
>They also in the future want to ban all physical cash, having to rely only on credit cards here.
This isn't a bad thing. Physical cash or otherwise is really worthless. We just think it's something. Having it all digital will set the economy spinning much faster which is good for all. Think banks can run away with your money? Elect a government that wants otherwise.
Samuel Cox
If you value the dystopian credit system China is currently working to implement using then I understand why you don't have any oppositon to this implementation either.
I bet you are one of these people who also argue for biochips in our wrists in the future with all our information contained there, Social ID, Bank accounts etc.?
You are incredibly naive if you trust any of this will end well for the worker drone like 99.9% of us are.
Jason Taylor
>Think banks can run away with your money? Elect a government that wants otherwise. That is extremely unrealistic, governments are all completely in bed with banks, they are completely inseparable. The entire push for digital-only economy is driven by one sole motivating factor, and that is the fact that banks will fully control the entire money supply, it will be a disaster, we will be handing banks the ultimate power in society, power beyond which even the government can control.
If some kind of private wallet Bitcoin-esque system were established it might keep power in the hands of the people, but banks fucking hate everything about bitcoin and it will probably never happen, they don't have enough control over it.
Liam James
they do.
Either he's an idiot, or you're an idiot for calling him one.
I really like the dude's no bullshit attitude. Creating content is better than consuming content. Obviously the guy is just being old-man-edgy, because his works stand on the shoulders of everyone who worked before. Mindless consumption of the complete raw sewage flowing from everywhere is a net minus, at least in my eyes.
What do user's think, is it better to be the creator of the ultimate crap, or the consumer? You can always get better at creating.
Jayden Rodriguez
>he is from a generation that was not afraid to call people out on their bullshit Fucking hilarious user. The Japanese are some of the most passive-aggressive people on the planet.
Evan Russell
>In Sweden as well to use legitimation on the web to pay for things with your bank or for indentification (think Social ID)
Wait, wait, wait...what? What is this?
Ayden Bailey
>is it better to be the creator of the ultimate crap, or the consumer?
There's no difference.
Brayden Myers
>What do user's think, is it better to be the creator of the ultimate crap, or the consumer? You can always get better at creating. Remember, creators make their living off of consumers, not to mention they usually need people to work for them to help them build their creation. If literally every single person tries to be a "creator" then nothing gets done. This is just a lack of understanding of how society works on Miyazaki's part.
why is your flag a christmas present?Exactly. In a voluntary exchange both are creators. The one who is creating something larger - and the one creating something (of value) to the other creator.
I do respect the former more, but I'd argue that both are creators.
Luis Robinson
BASED MIYAZAKI
Elijah Collins
>why is your flag a christmas present?
So that idiots ask why my flag is a christmas present.
Jayden Bailey
sharp
Brayden Cooper
If that's the case them the majority of people are creators right? Considering the fact the most people in 1st world countries have jobs.
Even in this case it still shows that Miyazaki doesn't have a basic understanding on how society works, at best. At worst, he does know but he looks down on people who help others build their creation. That would be a real peice of shit thing to think, considering Miyazaki owes the majority of his achievements to the labor of other people.
Joshua Garcia
>Jodorowsky and your favorite artist will never colaborate Miyazaki would probably like the guy
Jaxon Edwards
What's an iWhatever? In my timeline we call it iPhone? Creepy stuff.
Dominic Gomez
He already like Grimaut and Moebius
Benjamin Gonzalez
>Masturbatory strokes >Moving a single finger/thumb
I knew nips had tiny peepees but damn, didn't know it was that bad.
Isaiah Reyes
It seems like his problem is more with people who view owning products like iPads as a sort of status symbol, rather than just media consumption in public in general.
Joseph Richardson
aint even lit you pussy
he's just japans most badass teenager
Charles Gray
yeah, creators. Lesser creators in my mind, but nevertheless.
What is your definityion of how "society works". What's the part that proves he doesn't understand how society works? To my understanding he's directed and produced a lifetimes worth of works, and I doubt he'd get to that point without an understanding of society, and looking at his works success, it would stand to reason that he understands peoples thoughts, feelings extremely well.
I really don't know where you're drawing your "at worst" conclusion. Could you explain?
agreed - I think people are getting surprisingly butthurt for something a guy said on a japanese porn site.
James Ross
yall niggas dumb af
Jackson Cox
his own creative ejacuations wouldn't be consumed if everyone else was creative. Can't fault the consumers too much can he? Not saying this because i hate the dude either, has made some interesting animations (and some godawful mundane hippy trite)
Grayson James
DUDE ENLIGHTENED
Jace Harris
Not a bad redpill.
Fuck consumerism.
At the same time... we've all heard it before.
Jack Parker
But miyazaki said reading mango is harm so reading books is also haram
Lucas Hernandez
>stroking their iwhatevers
Good thing I don't even own a single apple product
Who /vita/ here?
Jayden Bennett
Reading sociological discussions, even participating is not valid?
Read a book? I keep 50 or so on my phone at any given time.
"Masturbatory gestures", sounds like some jackass just cant deal with the change of technology. Much rather would read from a phone than a book on the bus.
>a fucking leaf
Justin Rogers
based miyazaki.
i remember reading somewhere how he harshly critisized that hentai shit and the sexualisation of culture.
Luke Diaz
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Easton Hill
>Basque Masterrace
Austin Williams
YELLOWED
Brayden Harris
>mfw watching my anniemays on my phone on the bus before and after work
Juan Smith
I do all that. I'm tired of literally the shittiest generation of gibsmedat faggots condescending to me about what to do with my free time while I bust my ass to pay for their fucking undeserved social security checks.
I'd love to create some amazing story if I had time between sleeping and working my hands to the fucking bone for half of it to go into a bunch of old cunts pockets. A generation of nobodies who got everything handed to them that now want to sit on their laurels and condescend to the generation that IS LITERALLY SUPPORTING THEM.
Everyone over 45 needs to die tomorrow. imo.
Joshua Fisher
>miyazaki hates me because I make use of modern technology to study flashcards on my phone while commuting literally why?
I will only stop doing it if they make commuting obsolete
Nathaniel Jenkins
>Miyazaki Sure, i will listen to a muslim-worshipping pedophile who even weebs don't like anymore.
Chase Gutierrez
>>You must not become a consumer. You must become someone that creates.”
Ironically working on your iphone/tablet is probably the best way to create something while you're waiting on the train. Unless he means drawing or something (actually you can do that on a tablet too).
Michael Myers
>not thinking about who you would fuck and how you would fuck her
this is why you faggots all end up gay
Aaron Rivera
>i remember reading somewhere how he harshly critisized that hentai shit and the sexualisation of culture. That's fucking rich. That fucker's works are filled with upskirt shots of prepubescent girls.
Eli Russell
he claims this is supposed to signify their innocence and lack of sexuality because he can show such a thing without it being sexual. like a naked baby
whereas he cannot do it for an older girl because they are sexual and not innocent
Aaron Price
Orange vitafuckboii checking in.
Kayden Torres
>Miyazaki is an angry old man what else is new?
Nolan Phillips
>my loli pics aren't porn You are slacking, australia. I expected better shitposts of you.
Gabriel Harris
that is not a shitpost. that's literally what miyazaki claims
