Reminder that not a single Russian has ruled the land known as Russia until Georgy Malenkov in 1957. Until then Russia's rulers have either been Nordic (Ruriks), German (Romanovs), Jewish (Lenin), or Georgian (Stalin). It really makes one think how a nationj can feel such pride in itself when they have been ruled by foreigners their entire existence. Now I'm not saying this is genetic or Russians are inferior, but c'mon on guys. How could you couldn't take charge of your own country?
>inb4 muh 1066 England!
They intermarried with Anglo-Saxons after a generation. British royalty always had Anglo-Saxon blood in it, meanwhile Russian rulers practically despised Russians.
>inb4 this is just WE WUZISM
This is MAINSTREAM and accepted by even Russia itself for the most part.
>it's "butthurt Ukrainian immigrant in Canada" episode
Christian Lopez
Quints of truth
Andrew Cox
checked leaf still just barking
Christopher Howard
Ukraine was part of Kievan Rus so I'd just be insulting myself as well.
Justin Rogers
But Russians are nordic, just like England is Anglo Saxon.
Landon Brown
>debunks your non-sense LOL and you are still mad
>Russians are Nordic No they are Slavic. If someone is Nordic they aren't Russian. That's like saying an Indian in Britain is British.
Brody Peterson
ukraine is inexisting meme country, you leaf
Angel Wright
Ukraine was created in the end of XVII century, long after Kievan Rus has ceased to exist.
Ethan Ward
Why did they all have Russian names then if they were foreigners?
Jackson Evans
>Nordic (Ruriks), German (Romanovs), Jewish (Lenin), or Georgian (Stalin).
Russians ARE all these. Russia is a country with more than 160 different ethnicities. That's like saying USA hasn't been ruled by an American since George Washington.
Lucas Baker
Yeah no shit, it was artificially created because Lenin couldn't hold all of the Russian Empire together.
No shit stupid, it's a non-country.
Assimilation to make themselves apear more Slavic so they would be more accepted. "Olga of Kiev" is a very Russian name but even Russian sources say she was Norse.
>Olga was born in Pskov (currently a city in the northwest of Russia) into a family of Varyag origin.
Alexander Powell
So you're saying that for example Dmitry of Tver a Russian king who's ancestry as far back were Norse is still a Russian?
Owen Gonzalez
> foreigners
> assimilated
Doesn't make any sense
Asher Murphy
> "Olga of Kiev" is a very Russian name but even Russian sources say she was Norse. how can you be this retarded but still able to type?
Jayden Perez
>what were the rus
Josiah Morris
Let's put it this way, they moved from Scandinavia, decleared themselves rulers. Then changed their names and culture to Slavic so the masses would see them as one of their one
Even the Russian academic sites accept this as fact you fucking retard
Reference to the Vikings, Russia is named after their conquerors LOL
Cameron Morgan
One of the rules when accepting the Orthodox faith is to change your name. For example Catherine II was Sophie in Prussia, when she married Peter III they "forced" her to change the name into something more fitting for Russia.
Benjamin Ross
This would make sense if his name was Sven not Dimitri. IT's kinda stupid desu it's like saying that the Spanish Hapsburg monarchy and the Spanish Bourbon monarchy weren't really Spanish or the current Royal House in England isn't really English because they are originally house Saxe-Coburg Gotha
Nathan Murphy
Except the House of Saxe-Colburg Gotha is only German paternally. They have tons of Anglo-Saxon heritage. The Ruriks wouldn't allow themselves to marry with Slavs which shows how little they thought of their own people.
Hudson King
Why are you getting all butthurt over something that nobody cares about?
Russia is made out of many nationalities, always was.
I don't see why this fact should bother some autistic kid living on the other side of the planet.
Henry Morgan
The last tzar of Rurik origin was Ivan the terrible who's wife was of Serbian/Russian origin so a slav
Jason Williams
I don't think you understand what Russian even means. It's not the Slavs who lived there before the Varyags came, it's the ethnos created through their merger. There were no Russians before that, they were Ilmens, Krivichs, Severians, etch.
Liam Allen
you, leaf, just know no shit about being russian at all. and still i don't wanna read your stupid rubbish. you're just don't know the subject you wanna talking about. leaf.
Parker Evans
You clearly cared enough to reply. And I'm pointing this out because Russians always talk about their great nation and PRAISE DA TSAR HE WUZ TRUE RUSSIA NOT DA COMMUNISTS when the Tsars and Ruriks considered you peasants
But he wasn't, so what I say still lives on.
So who was the first Russian or person considered "Russian?" For example would Ivan the Terrible be Russian? Would Ann of Kashin
Samuel Walker
so is russia
Sebastian Martinez
> but he wasn't
But he was
Grayson Collins
I clearly do know about it since I got it from your own academic sources.
>So who was the first Russian or person considered "Russian?" For example would Ivan the Terrible be Russian? Would Ann of Kashin
They would. The Rurikovichs themselves became slavicized in less than a century.
Wyatt Parker
tell me about my history, you irrelevant dominionboi
Ian White
Ruriks didn't have Tsars but that means the dynasty died out at him, the moment he marries a Russian the dynasty dies.
I heard that guy is Polish but IDK
Then how come not a SINGLE name of a Slavic Rurik can be found. I wrote a University paper on this and made a presentation on it. I went in thinking I'd talk about how they assimilated but I can't find a single name of a Slav who intermarried in the family.
Ethan Bell
Yeah I will because you are probably too drunk on vodka to figure it out yourself.
Alexander Miller
>Be Russian >Fight for german interests and destroy Poland-Lithuania >Give all important harbors to Prussia >Allow Prussia to develop freely >Sell Alaska to the USA because you must finance the army on polish territories >Allow Prussia to unite german states because you dislike Austria and Poles >United Germany and Turkey obliterate your country
Yup. Russians are Viking, Mongol, German puppets
Luis Perez
It's actually kind of funny how for 1200 years now they STILL haven't figured out they have been fighting for OTHER PEOPLE
Evan Garcia
Sviatoslav of Kiev (reigned 945-972) was the first Rurikovich with a purely slavic name. Pretty much all that followed had slavic names too.
Owen Ward
His parents were Rurik (proven Nordic) and Ogla of Kiev (Proven Nordic) even according to Russias sources. So no he wasn't Slavic in the slightest.
Brody Lewis
That doesn't make him any less Russian, since Rurik's descendants created the Russian ethnos. It's just that Slavic culture and language became dominant in it.
