Reminder to socialists and other economic illiterates that there is literally nothing wrong with automation. In fact...

Reminder to socialists and other economic illiterates that there is literally nothing wrong with automation. In fact, automation should be welcomed wherever possible. More automation = lower prices = better for consumers = increased overall stand of living for everybody. Automation will also mean better services and products because human incompetence is out of the picture now. Things like 3D printing, cryptocurrency, lower price of technology, etc. will also benefit the working world as well

While not everybody who becomes displaced will find a job and those who do will take a while to get adjusted this just means we'll have to rethink some of the current welfare policies (basic income and other policies will be debated more widely in a few years) that we have in place and also rethink our education and training systems. Overall, less people will work which means people will have more time for leisure and to innovate and to be creative.

The other benefit that I see coming from this is that STEM fags will be in oversupply which means we will have an overall more educated citizenry; but the downside is that they will make less money given that every man and his dog will be a STEM graduate. You can already see this phenomenon happening as little kids are learning programming from an early age now and making apps, websites and starting companies.

So there is literally nothing wrong with automation. It must be encouraged. Economic illiterates aka the neo-luddites need to be mocked, ridiculed and shunned from society for retarding technological progress. Socialists need to be seen as a threat to society and must be removed from society.

I'm sure the rich capitalists are thanking you for spouting their propaganda

And this post is polittically incorrect?

i want automated burger kings

Yes it is politically incorrect because most people think automation is a bad thing instead of seeing it as natural societal progression that must be encouraged.

I agree.

Machinery exist because there is a demand from the market to make production more effective and in its proper usage will only stimulate economic growth.

The price of machinery depends on the amount and quality of labour that has been put into it.

Retarded socialist detected.

Capitalists are not evil people. They are people who follow their own self-interest to make a profit; by providing products and services to society that people want they overall increased the standard of living for everybody because they are always competing to provide services/products at better quality + lower price. In a capitalist society, the consumer, you, is the king. Companies work hard for you to please you.

If you hate capitalists and capitalism you are retarded and are a threat to democracy, liberty and western civilization. I am of the opinion that socialists must be removed from society because they threaten the core values of western civilization.

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Is that a meme for ants?

Also:
>not an argument

Social democracy of white people is the way to go (pure Sweden, pure Germany ). Capitalism within bounds and regulations and a government that distributes taxes and passes regulations for the good of the people. No one wants to live in an an cap shithole that plays out like a madmax movie.

I disagree on that point.

Nowaday socialists do not know that our current system is no longer capitalistic because of all the regulation upon labour.

Socialists believe people lose their jobs because of capitalism and therefore promote socialism. A company would hire employees if their prices weren't that high.

Socialists do not know that the current Capitalistic system is ruined by regulations. They think socialism is the solution to produce jobs.

And jobs do not make labour.
Labour makes jobs.

Who said anything about wanting an ancap society? We should have a largely free market based society with a limited government. And no, Sweden is not a good model. Sweden has too much government and too big of a welfare state which is the opposite of how it got to the position it was in. Sweden got rich because it was a largely free market capitalist democracy. It didn't get rich because it was a highly regulated, highly taxed welfare state. In fact the welfare state has destroyed Sweden. Just look at the rapefugees who are taking advantage of Sweden's welfare state to live off the government like parasites instead of working. This is what a welfare state gets you. Sweden if it is to succeed must limit immigration; deport a lot of rapefugees and end or reduce the welfare state. The same can be said of Germany.

Overall retarding technological progress is always a bad idea. So if your idea of regulations involves somehow halting this progress to save jobs or some other stupid shit then it's always bad.

>. In fact the welfare state has destroyed Sweden. Just look at the rapefugees who are taking advantage of Sweden's welfare state to live off the government like parasites instead of working.

Yes, but the welfare would work as intended without the refugees. So no refugees and everything's good. I don't oppose technological advancement if it serves the people. I don't want to live in an Elysium universe. Businesses only care about profit and would kill your mother if it helped their shareholders.

I agree with almost everything you said specially the part that those who oppose automation are morons.

However you are talking shit against socialism while advocating for a socialist policy (universal income). How do you defend this stance?

But even without rapefugees, the welfare state has discouraged people from working; our white forefathers succeeded so much because they were forced to work and innovate by the system because they had no choice but to work, today in the West our countries are large welfare states which discourage people from working and to improve their lives because the government is always there to provide a safety net for them. Why work when you have the government subsidizing your NEET lifestyle? Why work, start a business and invest capital when the government will tax more than half of your income?

I agree with you, I don't want to live in an ancap society, the government has an important role in society, but it must be a limited role that doesn't discourage competition and open the door to corporatism and corruption.

1 robot = 50 jobs destroyed.

Well done.

Firstly, I don't advocate basic income to be implemented right now, but if we reach a level where automation is displacing a lot of jobs and this is leading to decreased consumption as more people are becoming technologically unemployed, this is a topic which we will have to debate in our society. I'm simply saying that we will debate these issues more in the near future.

For my own personal views, I don't really support basic income, where you give people free money to do whatever they want with it, but rather I support a negative income tax, where if people make below a certain threshold they are subsided by the government. Milton Friedman describes it best:

"We should replace the ragbag of specific welfare programs with a single comprehensive program of income supplements in cash—a negative income tax. It would provide an assured minimum to all persons in need, regardless of the reasons for their need…A negative income tax provides comprehensive reform which would do more efficiently and humanely what our present welfare system does so inefficiently and inhumanely.

The proposal for a negative income tax is a proposal to help poor people by giving them money, which is what they need, rather than as now, by requiring them to come before a government official to tally all their assets and liabilities and be told that you may spend X dollars on rent, Y dollars on food, etc."

>Overall, less people will work which means people will have more time for drugs and crime.
FTFY dumbass

>Yes, but the welfare would work as intended without the refugees
No.

So why innovate? Let's just go back to the pre-industrial age, this will create jobs because we will use less machines. Why use a dishwasher? Let's just get people to wash dishwashes with their own hands because this will create jobs.

Having more jobs is not a good idea. If a robot can have the same productive output as 50 people than why the fuck are we hiring so many people? The robot is more efficient and better suited to the job. The 50 people will be displaced yes but the price of the product produced will go down because a company will reduce its wage expense, so overall the consumer (aka you) will afford a better quality at a much lower price. Which means the overall benefit to society is great. The 50 people who got displaced, some will find other jobs, some will start businesses and some will not get jobs and will have to go on unemployment benefits or welfare.

The idea of capitalism should be to get rid of as much jobs as possible. The idea of capitalism is to focus on increasing productivity as much as possible; increased productivity means more abundance and a better standard of living for all.

Crime has been going down as productivity has increased in western societies. Also people generally commit crime out of economic necessity, automation will create increased abundance and a better standard of living for all which will reduce the need to commit crime imho.

Also you haven't explained why I'm wrong. You can't just nitpick like that and think you've won the argument.

This. The welfare state has damaged the white man's soul. While it works better under white people it's still pretty bad.

Yeah, you're right. I guess you need them for the National Breeding Program.

I don't get this hate towards welfare. Most of the happiest most successful countries in Europe have good welfare systems. Welfare is investing in your society. A white society with a decent welfare system can have capitalistic elements and still be very successful. A would want the US to be more like (white) Denmark/Sweden/Norway.

keep promoting a shit tier system you didn't grow up with, have never seen and know nothing about

I'm sure you'll do great

Idk, this whole giving the state power over everything sounds like a bad idea.

We can all see that technology is advancing, and in the next 10-20 years we will see the manufacturing, logistics and other sectors losing a lot of jobs.

At the same time we have lower and lower birth rates.

Both of these facts may seem like a problem on their own, but together, I think they could cancel each other with good planning.

My concern here, is that instead of exploiting these predictions, the politicians in the west are fucking over their citizens for profit. The left is working for more immigrants, because they are potential voters. The right is working for more immigrants, because they are potential workers. I hope Trump keeps his promise to make the EU stop taking shitskins.

That's very interesting but it's still a socialist policy, is it not? I do believe it would work on a nationalist society but I fail to see how this is any different than the regular welfare system. I mean it does sound more clean but people will still abuse it. Rents will still be on their huts renting their houses illegally saying they don't have shit and sucking what is basically a modified welfare tit.

I guess what I'm asking is what's the big difference between this negative income tax and welfare, they look pretty much the same to me.

"Rents" = Gipsies sorry

but we kill remove the socialists, who will pay us their parents' money?

Basic income is being talked about more already, however as a government program that holds total control over your income it should be debated with somewhat better ideas like the negative income tax. Ultimately a move from craft based wages needs to be made because if nobody is making money the massively reduced prices won't mean much with no consumption.

lol when we invent AI who can do STEM fags work, humans will be unnecesary and the rich will have no use for them

divisioin of labour seperates workers from their products and consumers, kills the human spirit and human interconnectedness. People in society feel alone even though they are surrounded by other people.

???

Yeah, you must live in a real shithole. What exactly is so terrible about living in a scandinavian welfare state?

What a stupid post, capitalists are not trying to please you they are trying to get your money in whatever way possible. I'm sure everyone is pleased when the planned obsolescence kicks in on all our products after a year. I'm sure everyone here is pleased that capitalists are happy to import as many slave labour niggers as possible to improve their profits in spite of whatever cultural or genetic damage may be done.


Unbridled capitalism is not your friend, these people would kill you and everyone you know if it made them money. Nothing is sacred to them and out civilization is fallen because of this.

>50% starting income tax rate
>30% capital gains tax (don't save, goy, who needs private pensions when you have us, don't forget to vote)
>25% VAT
>state-set curriculum with indoctrination as an explicitly stated goal on par with education
>private and gifted education being crimes
>housing market all kinds of fucked due to stupid shit like rent control and massive red tape for building permits (15+ years in some areas at its worst)
>housing queues for major cities with job opportunities (18 years for the capital), great for social mobility
>school funding determined by how "disadvataged" the students are, aiming to level the playing field, and incentivizing poor school performance on an institute level
>equalization fund paying for failed social projects like Malmö(30% of their municipal income)
>but not rural areas anymore, refugee gibs to municipalities has taken its place
>no respect for rights, with the state government abolishing the municipalities' right to refuse migrants allowing them to arbitrarily set a quota and fine them if they don't comply
>crashing our currency twice
>city fag greens on bicycles taxing the hell out of cars and gas, fucking over the countryside further
>"free" university education, wasting billions on sociology majors
>massive flight of educated labor
The standard political cycle before the whole migrant business was 'vote left until the economy is almost irredeemable, then right to fix it up, rinse and repeat'
Hell, the reds even handed the right power on their own the second time they crashed our currency.

Workers number is insufficient in Japan.
So we welcome robots.

Thanks for the detailed answer.

This so much

But you're right. It's not that bad. It's pretty successful despite the socialism.

>technological innovation is always a good thing

>>>/1890/