How come the people claiming Russian hackers are responsible for everything aren't called conspiracy theorists?

How come the people claiming Russian hackers are responsible for everything aren't called conspiracy theorists?

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cnn.com/2016/10/19/politics/election-day-russia-hacking-explained/index.html
washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/can-you-rig-a-us-presidential-election-experts-say-its-basically-impossible/2016/10/18/7bcc4390-9557-11e6-bc79-af1cd3d2984b_story.html
npr.org/2016/10/18/498297287/5-reasons-and-then-some-not-to-worry-about-a-rigged-election
wired.com/2016/10/wireds-totally-legit-guide-rigging-presidential-election/
salon.com/2015/05/20/george_w_bushs_cia_briefer_admits_iraq_wmd_intelligence_was_a_lie/
bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-24/u-s-charges-iranian-hackers-in-wall-street-cyberattacks-im6b43tt
wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/34899
washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/10/29/trump-supporter-charged-with-voting-twice-in-iowa/?utm_term=.9adab31339ba
twitter.com/wikileaks/status/799398174041473025?lang=en
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Because it's the experts who said it, unlike all these filthy tin foil non-experts.

Because it didn't come from dirty fake news websites like Infowars

Why is the email hack such a big deal?

Even if you go with the assertions, not evidence, that it was GRU and FSB, its like people think the alphabet agencies wouldn't have hacked Russia and countless other countries.

So why is it such a problem that the kremlin is engaging in the same things that America has no doubt been doing for 20 years?

what experts?

All I see are the same people who claimed Saddam had WMDs saying this shit

because it came from the CIA

Because they are from "secret CIA reports".

How do Pizzagaters ignore AN ACTUAL CONSPIRACY?

Exactly. These people are experts. Like when they were confident that iraq had WMD's. Well, ok, turned out they were really wrong and caused the death of thousands as a result. But they're still experts!

>AN ACTUAL CONSPIRACY

according to who? The media that a month ago said the US election could never be rigged or hacked?

cnn.com/2016/10/19/politics/election-day-russia-hacking-explained/index.html

>CIA

you mean the same guys who claimed that Saddam had WMDs?

(((EXPERTS)))

washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/can-you-rig-a-us-presidential-election-experts-say-its-basically-impossible/2016/10/18/7bcc4390-9557-11e6-bc79-af1cd3d2984b_story.html

npr.org/2016/10/18/498297287/5-reasons-and-then-some-not-to-worry-about-a-rigged-election

wired.com/2016/10/wireds-totally-legit-guide-rigging-presidential-election/

>thousands of deaths

try "hundreds of thousands."

Because it's about undermining him. It's the faithless electors thing. And faithless public. They will never think he is legitimate.

We need to fight this

It was at least a gorillion actually

It's not a conspiracy, Drumptards

>grasping at straws

youre desperation sustains me

>the CIA aren't reputable
Commie go die

Because a hack clearly happened. It's not a theory or a conspiracy. The CIA came out and said it came from Russia. Why are we even paying them if we aren't going to believe them when they give us intel?

He did have WMDs you cuck.

We gave them to Saddam.

>Commie
The head of the CIA literally voted for the communist party.

mfw

>it's the experts who said it

I don't remember there being any experts

>The CIA came out and said it came from Russia

CIA is just code for shit the Army does that is illegal

Retards itt cant understaand the difference between rigging the actual voting and engaging in illegal activities to swing an election.

Because there are facts to back it up + reliable sources. You guys get your news from junk websites. They scam you.

>head of the CIA literally voted for the communist party
what org actually went after the commies back in the day

>period goes inside quotations
wrong in this case

we are probably paying them to lend credibility to whatever propaganda the executive branch wants to spread

>So why is it such a problem that the kremlin is engaging in the same things that America has no doubt been doing for 20 years?
Because we've been doing it to lesser players, and pseudo-democracies.
"Oh-noes! the Shaw of Iran/President of Nicaragua/etc/etc" wasn't genuinely elected!"
Most of these countries wouldn't have elected a genuine people's candidate even by accident.
And that includes Russia itself.
And while America hasn't had a non-rigged POTUS election since the 70's, all those elections were rigged by Americans, not some filthy eastern-euro asshats.

citation
salon.com/2015/05/20/george_w_bushs_cia_briefer_admits_iraq_wmd_intelligence_was_a_lie/

muh Russians

"Mushroom cloud."
He did not have nukes. He did not have the means to build nukes. The whole thing was about nukes. It was always explicitly about nukes and everyone understood this. If we invaded a country and overthrew a government because of dessicated biological agents that we already knew about, that would not be exonerating of the claim, that would actually be massively worse.

Tinfoil is simply a label to ridicule pervayoys of uncomfortable truths.

Every once in a while, (((they'll))) pay some idiot to manufacture fake tinfoil to fuck over consumers.

Because if it's your side it's right and if it's the other side, it's "fake"... duh!

Seriously though, I've been telling any libtard pushing this Russia thing to "stop believing in fake news"... They get so pissed their meme is backfiring.

No "hack" happened. Hillary Clinton is easily and by far one of the most hated politicians of our time. Is it really impossible for you to believe that a deeply and widely hated figure could have disgruntled subordinates?

>They will never think he is legitimate.
>implying he's actually legit

They don't have a theory.

They're just called liars and peddlers of Fake News.

At least Alex Jones puts some work into his mythology.

David Brock, Podesta, WaPo and CNN just change the story and run away from criticism.

Weak!

9 out of 10 experts say your post is wrong and you're a pedophile.

Why do you touch kids brah?

CNN and Washington Post are clean Fake News sites?

What makes their Fake News clean?

Because its Obama, Hillary Clinton, and the MSM news organizations.

CIA actually says they don't have any proof that Russia hacked anything nor that it actually influenced anything, only that it knows certain people who are distantly connected to Russia hacked the DNC and Podesta. At least some of those people are more closely linked to Hillary Clinton's campaign, her staff, and to the CIA itself than Russia. But hey, that isn't really news worthy, is it?

>Well, ok, turned out they were really wrong
"They" were the Bush administration NOT the CIA, and they were LYING, not wrong.
Besides, anybody who's ever read a newspaper knows all the leaked emails were vetted (and possibly edited) by the Russian government.

The experts everyone are citing are literally mods from edgy anti-Trump sub-reddits and mostly teenagers.

It's hilarious. They're so desperate that they aren't even twisting evidence from the actual government anymore - just wholesale inventing super sekret anonymoose experts.

by definition, a conspiracy theory has no evidence to support it, only coincidence and doubt. once there is actual evidence to support a theory, it is no longer a conspiracy theory.

there is actual evidence proving russian hackers hacked the DNC and gave the documents to Wikileaks. therefore, it is not a conspiracy theory.

The CIA never said any such thing.

If you need to lie, you know you're wrong.

The only proof they have is from (((Anonymous Sources))) from (((Jeff Bezos))) owned shitrag (((Washington Post)))

if that were true then why hasn't president obama declassified this evidence as requested by the senate intelligence committee more than a week ago?

Like falsely accusing Trump of pedophilia?

I don't think that's technically illegal.

Paying rioters to attack Trump supporters and rallies might be though.

They are, they don't provide a single shred of evidence and keep talking about "experts", and "top-men"

Because they're the status quo, and the status quo is always right.

>Anybody who has read Fake News knows the Russian Nazi Frogs hacked the election

Damn. Really firing the ol' neurons up.

obama just ordered the intelligence agencies review the hacking on thursday. once they have everything compiled, he will declassify it.

the intelligence agencies have apparently already briefed congress about their initial findings. no one from congress has come out and disputed the reports.

>Paying rioters to attack Trump supporters and rallies might be though.
>implying the RNC and Trump himself didn't pay people to protest against him so he'd appeal to you /x/-level retards more

Funny how MSM suddenly has access to "secret" CIA documents/reports.

Nice to see you can't attack my statement except through an obvious logical fallacy.

So by definition Russians Hacked The Election as there has been no evidence produced to demonstrate it.

Man, the Washington Post and CNN should be ashamed for repeating tin foil conspiracy theories.

Fake News Hurts Real People.

BS. CIA admitted they have ZERO PROOF that any Russian or Russian state agency was involved.

The CIA said the people that hacked the DNC and Podesta could only be distantly linked to Russia. You know who one of those people were that hacked Podesta was? Guccifer, hacker of the stars and celebrities. We know this because he admitted it. He is a dweeb that hacks celebrities and politicians that gain celebrity status. He hacked Paris Hilton and Sarah Palin and Cher and Madonna and a bunch of B list and C list celebrities and washed up celebrities.

When did Russia start paying him to hack celebrity cunts and reporter faggots and US politicians?

Stop sucking the big news agencies dicks and read past the headlines. These days, their headlines have nothing to do with the actual information they print in the body of the article.

>once they have everything compiled, he will declassify it.


ok, then we are in agreeance that there is currently no evidence of russian hackers affecting the election

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>Dat tin foil logic

gb2/x/

>apparently

Gee.

Sounds legit.

Heard anything more from your dad who works at nintendo?

>"They" were the Bush administration NOT the CIA, and they were LYING, not wrong.
The CIA heavily implied(plausible deniability) to the Bush Administration that there were WMDs

the whole thing is a fuckin dog and pony show

its confirmed beyond reasonable doubt that they're mentally ill or simply have irreparable brain damage. Something like, affluenza but more sinister and directed. Stockholm syndrome i Guess youd call it if we're giving them the benefit of the doubt

no, we are both in agreement that the evidence exists. everyone agrees to this fact - no one is disputing it. just because obama hasn't given the evidence his blessing does not negate its existence.

what are you talking about? there is no evidence that russians hacked voting machines. there is evidence that russians hacked the DNC and gave the documents to Wikileaks.

>We know this because he admitted it.
Lol, I am the hacker known as "Sup Forums".
It was *I* who did the hacking.
Now that I've admitted it, you know it's true.

fucking retard.

>If you read Fake News and believe it you will know that Fake News is real

Nice logical fallacy you got there m8.

>Part of the conspiracy is to make it seem like it isn't real! The less evidence there is, the more real the conspiracy!

lmao

oh really? whats the evidence?

so you have read nothing about this story, and you just assume everything i say is made up because you disagree with it?

that is pretty pathetic. why not actually learn something about the issue before you comment?

>the evidence is obviously there we're just not being allowed to see it but we all agree it exists

you really are mentally ill

>there is evidence that russians hacked the DNC and gave the documents to Wikileaks.

That a russian named Guccifer hacked their bullshit.

Saying he's one step removed from the Kremlin is like saying I'm one step removed from Navy Intel.

It's true, but it doesn't really mean anything, it's a virtue signalling truth meant to incite the boomers who are dumb enough to get riled up by red scare tactics.

So there is currently no evidence that Russians didn't hack the election?

Do you realize how stupid you sound?

Fucking kek.

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podestas emails showed the retard fell for a little boy level phishing scheme a couple days before the emails end. i doubt russia would even stoop so low as to send something as pitiful as what pedesta and his tranny IT guy fell for.

muh russian agent

so all of you admit the only reason you think russians did not hack the DNC is because it would conflict with your worldview. yep, pathetic.

gucifer is not the only hacker, and he hacked hillary's server, not the DNC.

It's up to the person making the claims to provide evidence.

>read

I've read the Fake News article by the Washington Post that is being cited in all articles.

There is no evidence of any of the assertions you are making in it.

Maybe you should follow your own advice and look into reading up on conspiracy theories you hear on social media before repeating them.

Just sayin

Why are all the conspiracy theory Trump fans suddenly suspicious a conspiracy could actually occur?

No. There is evidence that the Russians, as well as the Chinese and Guccifer, hacked Hillary Clinton's email server while she was Secretary of State.

There is evidence that a DNC staffer "hacked" the DNC and gave those documents to WikiLeaks.

That's why Putin and the Russians were laughing about it. They new it was not them that gave the information to WikiLeaks. They got caught BLACKMAILING Barak Obama over the emails he exchanged with Hillary on her server.

You need to read the articles and not the headlines.

Did the Russians hack Hillary? Yes.

Did they hack the DNC? Maybe, but they weren't the ones that gave the documents to WikiLeaks. The CIA has admitted that. The CIA has admitted that they have zero evidence of Russia providing documents to WikiLeaks.

They also have zero evidence that Russia was trying to influence the US elections, but they presume Russia was because the USSR has always been trying to influence the US elections since the CIA first started paying attention, and they don't see a difference between the USSR and the modern Russia. That is what they said.

People are just running with the CIA SUSPECTS that Russia hacked stuff and changed the election because that is much more interesting than the vast majority of women found Hillary to be repulsive and would not vote for her.

Because we understand the convenience of the framing.

I openly admit that the only reason I don't believe that Russians Hacked The Election is because there is no proof.

Sure.

>activate windows
absolutely halal

because our security experts have been saying for decades our cyber security is shit and we are being attacked/probed for weaknesses by Russia/China/Nork/Iran.

bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-24/u-s-charges-iranian-hackers-in-wall-street-cyberattacks-im6b43tt

it has been a well known issue but it is ignored because it does not support the arms industry.

>(((They))) aren't called conspiracy theorists

>tfw his dad made him reformat because he was running bootlegged copy and didn't want drama

>it stays unactivated because Microsoft doesn't negotiate with terrorists

We don't believe conspiracy theories. Only facts.

That's why we won the election.

would an actual state actor capitalize the O's when trying to pretend to be gmail?
wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/34899

the testimony of the US's intelligence agencies is not evidence? or do you not consider it "real evidence" until it is officially declassified?

here's the thing though - i don't think the evidence actually matters to you or the other trump supporters in this thread. hypothetically, if the intelligence review obama ordered were concluded and declassified monday, and it said the russian government definitely hacked the DNC and gave the documents to Wikileaks in order to help Trump get elected, would you or any of the other Trump supporters change your minds? no, not a chance. you would continue defend Trump and Putin at the expense of the US.

washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/10/29/trump-supporter-charged-with-voting-twice-in-iowa/?utm_term=.9adab31339ba

keep tellin your self that.

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Oh wow, you sure showed him!

Drumpf BTFO forever!

>Maybe, but they weren't the ones that gave the documents to WikiLeaks. The CIA has admitted that.

that was an FBI review, not the CIA. and now it looks like that initial FBI review was wrong.

There has been no testimony by U.S. intelligence agencies.

I consider it evidence when it's evidence and not wild claims unverified claims by known Fake News outlets.

"My dad works at nintendo" is not evidence.

>WaPost says CIA says

That's not testimony.

hmmmm....heres some evidence for you......
twitter.com/wikileaks/status/799398174041473025?lang=en

Your link doesn't say anything about Trump losing the election.

(((((((((((((bloomberg)))))))))))))

because they're called msm

but it does say his supports were the ones doing voter fraud.