Redpilled

> Redpilled
> Believes in marriage
Pick one

Fag

The problem isn't marriage, lifelong monogamy or slanted divorce courts. The problem is the complete and utter lack of moral values in society.

Multiple studies have shown that the more men a woman has slept with the more likely she is to:

>Divorce
>Cheat
>Develop STDs (Obvious, but worth noting due to destigmatization efforts and HPV. Whores literally can cause cancer).
>Experience depression
>Report lower marital happiness relative to their virgin counterparts
>Experience difficulty in forming and maintaining a proper relationship.

Add Ronald Reagan's "No Fault Divorce" to the equation and things get even worse.

Do family courts need fixed? Sure, but that's not the biggest issue. If we started promoting abstinence, slut shaming and expected women to be virginal once again, while repealing no-fault divorce, this literally wouldn't be an issue.

inb4

>You're a virgin
Literally not an argument.

>the more men a woman has slept with the more likely she is to cheat
Literally the same thing applies to men. Statistics also shows that the more women a man has slept with, the more likely he is to cheat. But of course Sup Forums never posts that.

>The problem is the complete and utter lack of moral values in society
Emancipation of women was a mistake.
Return to patriarchy would work but it's impossible to now put the toothpaste back in the tube, so to speak.
Your move, traditionalist. We failed.

I've found that when I do post it, every (You) is just "so you're just a virgin xdxdxd!!!"

Really kills any sort of discussion.

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can't go back there its literally impossible.
wait for the collapse first

r/theredpill isn't the actual redpill faggot

fpbp

I actually completely agree with this, but there's no other solution.

The best anybody can hope for at this point is to marry some homeschooled/introverted/religious virgin, start a family and just weather the incoming consequences.

MGTOW as a cultural movement won't do anything other than accelerate the decline. Legislative changes proposed by MRAs is a Band-Aid over a gaping wound; every major implication and consequence of promiscuity still exists, but individuals will be somewhat shielded on a financial level.

As far as "fixing society" though? That's hopeless, the absolute best anyone could hope for is an economic collapse as the next generation comes of age. Even that's not guaranteed to fix things.

>Implying the current state of marriage is not a direct result of the current economic system and left wing politics.

Marriage kept us going for thousands of years. Women's liberation and capitalism ruined it.

REEEE HAVE WHITE BABIES
SHE WOULD BE A GOOD WIFE AND MOTHER IF YOU TRIED HARDER
COWARDS PUSSIES FAGGOTS

>wait for the collapse first
>hope for is an economic collapse

If this is our only option then we should try to accelerate this collapse as soon as possible.

What's the next move?

>tfw you've seen this exact sentiment posted unironically.

Yet the poster you reply to posted something to support his stance. You simply made a statement and expected it to be upheld as truth.

>nearly 2017
>pursuing white women

I've been faced with the same thing. Anons think that because I wish women would keep their legs closed that I'm a "le virgin xd". It has taught me that even poltards can sometimes be bluepilled.

Personally, I'm split on that. If we were looking at moral issues in a vacuum, then yes, the Marxist tactic of accelerationism would be ideal.

But there are a lot of other factors. Multiple cultural fronts, multiculturalism and demography, globalism and the growing political power of international unions and organizations, the seeming coalescence of the Sunni Islamic world, a more aggressive China, etc.

Regardless, whatever happens is going to happen at whatever pace. None of us are in any sort of position to properly influence something like this.

Shit, virginity really is a huge fucken deal.

>he wonders where all the traditional conservative women went
>he wonders why people racemix
>he thinks marriage is dumb
>"lol wtf, where are all the traditional whit wiminz at? Just curious I don't want get married doesn't mean I don't want to raise a family

>None of us are in any sort of position to properly influence something like this.
Thanks for the Black Pill desu.

>But of course Sup Forums never posts that
Nothing's stopping you

Sorry senpai, blackpills are contagious and there's that crushing realization that a lot of political and cultural changes have failed/succeeded not because of evidence or reason, but external factors beyond any person's control, or the prevailing cultural attitudes of the dominant generation at the time.

I'm all for slutshaming and agree that people shouldn't just give up, and should at least try to carve out a moral life for themselves, but any cultural battle, regardless of the equalizing effect of the internet, is skewed against us due to ~55 years of Cultural Marxist premises being accepted on this issue.

I agree with you, of course, every neet that posts "tots or gtfo" wonders why they can't find a good loyal woman.
>"lol I wanna bang some huuuooores"
>"WHY CAN'T I FIND ANY GOOD VIRGIN? RREEEEEE!"

traditionalism is a male invention, woman don't see the purpose of it because all of effects of having a traditional family is longterm

I'd kind of like to get divorced now, but we have a perfect 15 month old and I'm not going to jump ship.

What's going wrong?

>carve out a moral life
So MGTOW really is the answer, correctly assuming marriage is cruel towards men.

From what I read like 70% of Japanese men are massive betas.

Must be easy there if you apply yourself

Yes.

Women can be redpilled, OP.

There are some wife-tier women out there still

Men are designed to conquer and spread their seed. It is biologically impossible for a woman to produce children with multiple men at the same time.

I'm not sold on that yet. Right now I'm on the fence about trying out churches and seeing if I can find someone that's actually marriage material. If that fails, I'll just finish up school and teach English in an Eastern European country for a bit.

If that doesn't work out though, I'll be MGTOW by default, because I'm literally not compromising on virginity.

"But MY girlfriend is DIFFERENT"
-The Stupidest People Ever

This is where I've ended up. If it is impossible to put the toothpaste back in the tube, we should be doing everything to accelerate the collapse

Oh yea? Where? "Church"? Girls that go to church are either dumb as dirt or just pretending so that their parents keep paying for their car insurance and cell phone bills.

Right on.

he felt for the NAWALT meme

The point of "tits or gtfo" isn't to see tits. It's due to the fact that the vast majority of time "girl here" has absolutely no relevance to the conversation and they could have simply posted their comment. The inclusion of "I'm a girl" and similar is simply a means of drawing attention and getting special treatment.

Consequently, "tits or gtfo" grew as a response to this.

Yep. I've had random school girls take creeper shots of me while I'm on the bus. I'm quite happy with my gf though so I feel to compulsion to pursue.

MGTOW is literally as pathetic as being a literal cuck. It's essentially saying "It's not like I w-wanted to have sex or be a functional man a-anyway"

The core purpose of marriage is to provide children with a stable place to grow up, the man goes and works and the woman stays home and raises them, it can be reversed yet that's the general idea.


If you don't want children I can't really see much of an appeal to it unless your partner also doesn't want them.

...

Just grew apart. The things that first attracted us to each other have turned into major annoyances. To spare a long explanation, her gripes are that I'm unfeeling, too concerned with efficiency and objectivity, and that I basically hate 95% of everyone we know. Mine are that she's scatter-brained, inefficient, and generally just can't seem to get her shit together.

I still love her, and I love our kid more than anything. Looking back, I just think that we weren't the best match. Oh well.

>MGTOW is literally as pathetic as being a literal cuck.
I think you have it backwards, friendo.
Marriage is when you work 50 hours for a housewive who sleeps with Jamal and then divorces you for half your stuff.
MGTOW is uncuckable.

fuckin virgin

How many layers of irony are you on right now, senpai?

The "government contract" marriage is a sham.

If you're religious, unity under the creator you believe in makes sense, but there should be no legal / government intervention & involvement in terms of divorce, dealing with kids, etc - That's when you're kids become chattel to the state and you've fugged them like your parents fugged you.

Government involvement in marriage was fine back when no-fault divorce existed. It's horrendous now, but that's not inherently a problem with government involvement in marriage.

In Canada the man gets fucked, there is no way out.

We have "common law marriage" here too. If you let a chick live with you for over 12 months, the state/province considers you "married" now. It's absolutely fucked, I will never sign a contract for a marriage

I'm not terribly familiar with the Canadian marital system, but I'm assuming there are some similarities to the American one.

Has it become, in the past 50 years, much easier to get a divorce (ie, no wrongdoing/offending party doesn't suffer consequences)?

>Family Values
Bah. Humbug.

>capitalism

Are you fucking retarded dude? The welfare state says "if you have a vagina i will give you money no matter how shitty you are"

Women's liberation and SOCIALISM ruined marriage.

Because if you need daddy's paycheck to survive you're gonna be nice to daddy.

What's so wrong with being married and giving shekels to your wife?

pocket pussy > women
prove me wrong

her ability to divorce and leave you with nothing

You can't do it in Russia if you have marriage contract and don't have kids. Not every country is under Common Law marriage you know

We have morals because they basicslly promote survival.

Pilled. Fuck marriage-cucks. Women are property but evolving strictly yo get comfy chairs and social justice, and you cucks let them walk all over you.

none of this works because you offer no solution.

society will never go back to traditional values, forget about it.
progressives and liberals don't have to prove anything to people. their hypothesis basically fall in "if you are free to do what you want, the better things will be" which is very simple to understand.

our argument is much more complex and we don't even have a voice against those liberal newspapers, they trample us just like they trample pizzagate

Marriage is a way to legally secure non-cuckoldry.

See

Lots of opinions here, all over the place, and lots of misunderstanding of family law too. I'm a lawyer, have been doing family law in Ontario for over 15 years. AMA, if you want an honest answer. Don't just vent at me because you got screwed in court for being a douche.

Yes, and that's biology. Just like women are actually libertine by nature. Both men and women are.

We give that promiscuity up for the sake of civilization, which cannot exist without monogamy.

>Managed to find a girl who is a surgical PA
>We both make 6 figures and work in medicine, and she buys me things about as much as I buy her things

Marriage is a nice tax benefit.

Only beta male faggots don't want marriage. It's your problem that you can't keep her happy you fucking manlet.

just fucked my wife for an hour straight. I'm not a beta faggot like you who let your wives shit on their face, take their money, cheat on them. you mother fuckers are so bluepilled you refuse to believe that maybe most women treat you like this cuz you're beta pieces of shit.

The problem is that people get into relationships where all the work is expected by one side, or they don't put in any work at all.

well we don't really care about whenever someone is gonna cheat or us or not. we care about having the tools to fuck you over.

in between you being an "alpha provider" and 1000 of different factors you don't know shit about whats going to happen.
with all due respect to your lovely wife and your lovely marriage

I've been eating free on my gf for months. I cook the food and wash the dishes but she insists on paying for it

I for one welcome our new progressive overlords

Actually a woman can give birth to twins with two different biological fathers. It is very rare but totally possible.

>keep her happy

get a load of this beta

>be so beta you think it's impossible to make a woman happy

Is that what this board is full of? Cucks that need to imagine Trump is fucking their gf because women are never happy with them? The site of Hillary in charge probably scared the shit out of you you beta fucks.

>telling white men to abandon traitional values
clearly a jewsih plot

we should aim to make women marriageable again

>TheLarpFag