When did you realize Marxism was the Ultimate redpill?

When did you realize Marxism was the Ultimate redpill?

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You're not even trying.

>"betrays his own interests to secure the pleasure of another"

hmm sounds a lot like marxism to me

>things that never happen to a rational, logical person

>things that only happen to impressionable, naive people

Pretty recently desu.

Thanks Sup Forums.

When I was 12. Then I turned 13

Marx reeks of jew

This

So instead of being a cuck to your boss/employer for 40hours a week, you become a cuck to the state for the rest of your life in all aspects of your life?


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>Advocate the destruction of every institution around you
>Can't unite because your institution will be destroyed
Marxism's greatest strength also has to be it's greatest weakness.

"yes yes destroy the middle class so that we... oops i mean You... can run the country. teehee"

exactly. The whole thing is one confused mess on the part of the opinionated ideologues.

Marxism/Capitalism/Communism/Free Market

All misunderstood, blended together concepts.

It's very simple, and holds true even in the animal kingdoms:

Agorism. Anarchic Noncompliant Agorism = Freedom, finally. Everybody wants it. Needs it. Deserves it. No matter what you purport to do, those who fight for it and defend it will have it.

fpbp

so believing the word of a fat jewish intelligensia who has never done a day of hard work in his life is redpilled?

lmao your fucking autism is hanging out, kid

After working as a truck unloader at walmart for a year.

FPBP!

>price = value
Marx Aknowledges that products have an exchange value which floats around it's socially necessary labor time.

Person 5 might be willing to pay $5 for the same burger, but he wont pay $5 for that burger if it is selling for $3, because it's price is determined by it's socially necessary labor time and exchange value. The disconnect between use value and exchange value is one of the most important insights Marx came up with in his life.

You men Karlberg Marcovitz?

> The guy who fucked his maid, who he didn't ever paid, got her pregnant and refused to acknowledge the child
> Never paid rent on time and gave his neighbours trouble
> Preaching about moral standing

> Never held a stable job and leeched off his friends all his life
> Call workers cucks

How can any of you commies take anything this asshole says seriously?

this is a SLIDE THREAD

shills are trying to DISTRACT YOU from our new weaponized meme

GET THE FUCK IN HERE
NO COMMENTS = FAKE NEWS

the shills are afraid

the difference is people understand capitalism intimately, people view communism as some exotic foreign alternative. yet they have no clue what kind of horrors lie behind all the idiotic false promises.
for the communist intellectuals understand full well how short-sighted and short-memoried the average person is, therefore no lie or promise is too big for the communist, for after they come to absolute power all opposition will be swept away

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Kek holy shit, can relate

>Ultimate redpill
>rejecting God

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SAGE

We must seize the memes of production
Sup Forums is already Communist, they just dont know it yet

>God
>Not rejecting him
Are you some kind of pussy? Scared of dying user?
Besides, Chirico here already killed god

>worshipping a sandnigger

>Lobertarians
>Inaccurate chart
Heh

>capitalism explained by socialists
You know the word capitalism was created by Socialists?
here's 1200 pages of non-scatological analysis of Capitalism by a Socialist
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/
if you can't even offer a genuine description of what socialists think of Capitalism, then obviously your picture is bullshit, which it is. Socialists want to eliminate classes by worker control of the means of production, not through pensions and taxes. My guess is you met a few socdems and assumed they represented Socialism?

>criticize austrians for not reading commie literature
>100% chance none of you have read a single Encyclical
baka try harder

Ill slide my cock right up your butt user

>100% chance none of you have read a single Encyclical
Also never took a Scientology """Course"""...

>100% chance none of you have read a single Encyclical
Aaand that's where youre wrong. Just because I read christfag stuff for literature value doesn't mean I have to believe in it
Nice cancer image btw

Never, because Marxism is a childish ideology for plebeians.

>lying on a taiwanese scuba enthusiast forum
>misinterpreting meme arrows
maybe you should go back lad

>/threading your own comment
Back to /r/the_dolan with you, fgt.

when I was 12. by the time I was 14 I had moved on to natsoc.

Do you know what the Courtiers reply is?
regardless, it's not even unbelievable that he hasn't read an encyclical

papalencyclicals.net/Bon08/B8unam.htm

look. now everyone has read one.

fuck off commie.

SAGE

So, what's it like being 14?

Retards like you are the reason why communism is becoming so popular among our youth. The typical communist doesn't advocate revolution, they think it'll come about naturally. So when your entire argument rests on them assuming commies are revolutionaries it just emboldens them because you're not even addressing their arguments.

>communism
>popular among our youth
at best you have SocDem normies

Wait is this what marx actually believed? That the value of something is how much effort it took to make/obtain it?

>The typical communist doesn't advocate revolution, they think it'll come about naturally.
The typical communist where? Because even 2/3 of our parties recommend revolution in Canada.

The reason he's retarded and pushing people into communism is perpetuating myths, you have to argue against it as a stateless, classless society, because that's the planned society, otherwise people will see you're attacking a ghost of history born late into communist thought and it'll have a similar effect to how well DARE worked against drugs. (It increased drug use)

Yes
commies should just admit the LTV was a mistake and adopt new theory imo

The fire rises

>nechayev
>100% approval

>yfw adam smith invented the LTV

>The typical communist where? Because even 2/3 of our parties recommend revolution in Canada.
I communicate with a lot of European communists and I'd say a good 70 percent of them aren't revolutionaries. Maybe it's different in different areas.
>you have to argue against it as a stateless, classless society, because that's the planned society, otherwise people will see you're attacking a ghost of history
That's true too. People tend not to address their goal, just the "communist" (as they would say) states of the past. My point about a large amount of them not being revolutionaries applies to this sort of thing as well. Since having a revolutionary isn't the goal for a lot of them either.

yes, but value is not the same as price. Marx was using the LTV, which was the predominant economic model of the time. Adam Smith also used the theory. People criticize the LTV as saying "well what If take my time and spend 50 hours doing some menial task?", when Marx's actually spent his time refuting that idea
>Unlike individual labour hours in the classical labour theory of value formulated by Adam Smith and David Ricardo, Marx's exchange value is conceived as a proportion (or 'aliquot part') of society's labour-time.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socially_necessary_labour_time

Marxism yes but he never really articulated how socialism would lead to communism or what form socialism would take. The only plausible answer is National Socialism.

>invented
Adam Smith claimed Labor, Land, and Capital were all independent factors in wealth creation senpai
it was later economists that perverted his ideas into the LTV

before i grew up

>Since having a revolutionary
revolution*

>faith
>in a dead Jew on a stick
>2016

Fuck you kike, burn in hell with your idol.

Any ideology you picked up before you were 18, drop it.

Well yuropoors can afford to be bitches about it more than the rest I guess. I'd consider most of them with my first assumption to be larpers or liberals if they don't admit the necessity of violence.

Which doesn't even in theory claim to do the one thing socialism is, which is giving workers exclusive ownership of productive property, it's misnamed.

>Which doesn't even in theory claim to do the one thing socialism is

If giving property to the state and saying it's the people's property because it's a people's state counts as socialism then saying property belongs to the nation and must be in the interests of the nation counts too.

>If giving property to the state and saying it's the people's property because it's a people's state counts as socialism
It doesn't. Every time we say this you faggots go
>muh no true scotsmas

>scotsmas
kek

Okay so what path do you see society taking for its journey to communism?

>tfw doing my cultural marxists duty and illegally emmigrating to the US

we will get you white man!!!

so did Mrx, read his critique of the gotha programme if you aren't a faggot scared of big words

Actually, no you won't.

Inshallah brother! We're coming for the honkey's toothbrush, god willing!

That "dead jew on a stick" rose three days late and became your saviour, heretic.

>he betrays his own interests to secure the pleasure of another

AYY HOL UP

SO YOU IS SAYIN THT MARX ISN A SOSHULIS OR SUMTING?
DAS FUCKT

So realizing that it would be dumb to overpay for something for no reason is a good insight? Gee thanks Marx, great contribution

Anarchist revolution.

It's statistically almost impossible any of the high ruling class post on Sup Forums, so socialism is definitely in the interests of anyone here.

fpbp

Go take your failed religion somewhere else

Is this going to be the new edgy Sup Forums?

TRS-style socialism for muh working class whites?

lol if you can't compete on the free market because you're dumb and a drug addict, you should be executed, not praised by Mike Enoch

Kek'd n Czech'd

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Economics, based only upon a subjective preference theory, is reduced to a mere matter of opinion rather than any knowledge. This approach is completely abstract without any notion of real society. Market relations are individual relations between a person and a commodity, yes, but this is obvious, even to Marx. Nonetheless as a society, we do not live as individuals in isolation on a desert island, like individual atoms. Our natural desires nor choice preferences are not inborn, or subject to "free" choice, but are a product of society and our place within it. How does the subjectivist island translate into the realities of everyday capitalist relations? They do not. Vulgar subjective theory has no historical nor political content. That is why, in their myopic world, they have no explanation of capitalist crisis, nor any concept of real exchange value. Your theory, according to which value is determined by utility to yourself and on the other hand by the limit of supply (i.e. the cost of production), is merely a confused and circuitous way of saying that value is determined by supply and demand. Moreover, your idea of subjectivity still does not stand even on its own. Within the picture you posted, the market is still limited with the price of least amount, $3. Yes, it is possible to see that the same commodity has different amounts of utility for different people, ergo the $5, it nevertheless sells in a market at the same price of least amount, because of competition and a way to make the consumer think they struck a deal. And yet still this image doesn't explain that if utility, or subjectivity, is supposed to measure value, how is it that different amounts of utility are sold for the same price? It is because the real cost of labor, the suffering it takes to produce, is something you can measure says much about the amount a subject is willing to sell for.

>The typical communist doesn't advocate revolution, they think it'll come about naturally.
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictatorship_of_the_proletariat
You're either lying, stupid or satirically demonstrating that contemporary Marxists haven't even read their own goddamn doctrine

(cont.) And even Adam Smith knows this (next time you think le subjective theory debunks LTV you should actually be looking at him, or perhaps you should actually read what Marx says)! This means that price cannot be subjective, but must be based upon a real foundation.

Marxism is outdated compared to automation

Apparently so, considering what other economists at the time were saying, and that the right-wing always claims that "just because you spend a year baking a cake doesn't make it more valuable than one made in an hour". How fantastic it is that this is exactly what Marx thought.

Who decides what gets built?

Or I'm just more familiar with the different sects of communists than you are.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reformism

google "communism is inevitable" for more info on the kinds of people I'm talking about. I may be mistaken about these commies being the majority but there's definitely a sizeable amount of them that aren't revolutionaries.

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There's no problem that communism solves that mixed economies, fascism, or distributism hasn't already solved.

>Unironically advocating for reformism
What did you just take your first fucking sociology class?

If your ideology calls for gradually subverting and manipulating the larger population, then it's time to ponder if it's even worth supporting at all, you fucking crytpo-kike

>google "communism is inevitable" for more info on the kinds of people I'm talking about.
No thanks, been to a university. Already met them many times in person

I'm not advocating this commie shit. From your last post it seemed like you understood I was describing what I've seen the typical commie spew.

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Around hour 3 of my daily 5 hour wait in the bread lines.

>cuck

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He's right though.

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When my Civilization Revolution country tried communism and become too fucking advanced by the 1950s, but really, Marxs utopian idea can only be implemented if corruption by human nature didn't exist, but truly, it never really have worked in the long term.