Is it moral to use Ad-blocking software?

You are actively killing the Internet by cheating like that. What is your excuse to stealing money from Sup Forums and other websites that you enjoy?

arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/12/german-judges-explain-why-adblock-plus-is-legal/

Sup Forums is the only website i whitelist

Don't fucking care I don't want ads

I can't read Forbes and Business Insider anymore. You can only read if you pay, or if you look at ads

I don't want to pay, or look at ads. Their material isn't that good anyway

is it moral to infest the web with ads no one wants that inject malware?

pajeets being greedy, what else is new?

I may block their ads and they may block me. Deal with it kid

Should I watch the commercials on my DVR pre-recorded shows as well?

>stealing money from Sup Forums

I don't know that feel.
I use Gnu/Linux.

Providers are going to get paid whether or not the ad is blocked or not. Advertisers have little way of knowing if their ads are being seen.

If a site does go the extra mile to detect an adblocker I simply go someplace else.

>and they may block me
- right click
- block element

in the case where going down the street and buying a newspaper is a faster way to get the news, then yes.
i want to read news, not benchmark my computer.

You should if you are a purist. The creators of the program wanted you to see those ads. They are the part of the experience.

>stealing
You're even dumber than the people who say piracy is theft.

Piracy is theft. There is no situation where it's not.

Is it moral for companies to shove their crap in my face when I don't want it? One could argue that would be a violation of the NAP.

Blocking ads from appearing on my computer != stealing.

>Piracy is theft.
>There is no situation where it's not.
How about when I don't get caught?

>You are actively killing the Internet by cheating like that.

I think you misunderstand, ads are what is killing the internet. Without company ads, the internet would never have been able to die in the first place.

I wouldn't mind ads if they weren't so intrusive like they are these days. I even adblck Sup Forums now because Hiroshima has polluted the site with so many shit ads instead of just the simple j-list ones.

Once shady ad brokers started allowing malicious payloads in their ads it became morally acceptable.

Because server costs magically pay for themselves

>when I don't want it?
Do you want to receive the service "for free" without having to pay a subscription? Then you have to watch the ads. By blocking ads you are breaking the deal between you and the content provider. If you don't want ads, ask them how much money they want in exchange for their services or stop visiting their website.

Still theft.

adblock isnt working on porn websites anymore. no clue how they get around it but others dont.

also, any clues on how to fix this would be great

>use adblock
>websites lose ad hits
>websites come up with new ways to force advertising through
>piss people off even more

If ads werent so intrusive and purposefully annoying I wouldn't block them. Making them even more intrusive and annoying isn't going to make me change my mind. Let websites who can't see this simple mechanism just die. I have no qualms with paying a no-ad subscription to support sites

Who pays for the Internet?

I don't need to give money to someone who is money hungry and liar about his money problems with using shitty English and pretending it's "cute".

Advertisement got completely out of hand.
If you're a farmer and some pests eat a single crop of your entire field, you won't go through any trouble to fight them. When they eat 3/4 of your produce, you will fucking nuke them.
It's this simple.

Not in my book. If you have no evidence of me stealing, I will deny your claim and walk away clean as a saint.

I own my computer and I own my internet connection. I have the right to choose which 1's and 0's are requested for me to view, and which 1's and 0's are ignored.

What is Ublock Origin?
Adblock doesn't work on websites that pay Adblock.

You think paying a company like At&T somehow magically let's a website like 4 Chan pay for it's servers?

Just get ublock origin you faggots.
Hides ads instead of blocking them, and the website still gets its cash as if you could see them.
It also hides a lot more stuff than adblock or any other shit
t. Sup Forums

Put your content behind paywall or fuck off, I can change channels on TV when ads come up, I'm not obligated to look at billboards next to the road and I'm the only one deciding how to use space on MY screen, unfortunately there's NO place for ads. Killing the internet? Only bloggers who think that running a site(hobby) entitles them to money.

>If ads werent so intrusive and purposefully annoying I wouldn't block them
Have you ever clicked on a non intrusive ad?
How are they supposed to focus your attention on themselves without being intrusive?

What deal? I pay my internet provider X amount per month for internet usage. That's the deal. When I click on a website, I don't enter into some sort of deal where they get money from me. They host their website at their own cost, and it's up to them to get the money together.

You are proving my point, idiot.
Sup Forums needs J-list ads to stay afloat.
We should all go there and buy their porn just to support Sup Forums. Don't forget to tell them that you bought their shit because you saw an add on Sup Forums.

No property is lost by the original owner when you pirate anything. Nothing is stolen.

Mac/Unix master race here, I dont know that feel anymore after taking the macOS red pill

>Have you ever clicked on a non intrusive ad?
I've never clicked on an ad ever

Ads are a nuisance at best, and bring viruses at worst. I don't care for them.

>. I have the right to choose which 1's and 0's are requested for me to view
If you don't block cookies, google decides what results you will receive ;)

Also, if you use Windows10 then you are fucked anyway.

Don't get me started on facebook.

People are going to call me a pussy but I personally do believe it is immoral. I am a firm believer in free-market economics as well as integrity. Websites usually rely on ads to survive, and if I am using a free website I feel I have a moral duty to not use an adblocker.

>I pay my internet provider X amount per month for internet usage.
You pay your internet provider for the connection, not for the content.
Pay the content creators for their content.

That just makes you delusional and have a shitty moral compass. If I stole a guy wallet and he didn't know I did it. Doesn't mean I didn't do it.

>Nothing is stolen
You steal the idea.
Ideas can cost a lot of money.

>MacOS

>red pill

top kek

What if he still has his wallet?

I actually agree with the OP. I do not use adblockers for this very reason. If a website has too many intrusive ads I simply stop visiting it.

Content creators rely on ads to provide you with free content, no ads = no free content (eventually). Unfortunately I appear in the minority here. Especially sites like Sup Forums where their server costs are astronomical.

Your stolen the money from it. That is what pirating is. Your using a producing without paying for it. It's like sneaking into a movie without paying.

You sir are a leach.
I assume you aren't even seeding Ubuntu iso torrents that you downloaded from the Internet.

is it moral to datamine information and sell it off to advertising companies that attempt to make you buy their products and make an online image of you via the information sold to them

>Pay the content creators for their content.
no :)

apple

think stupid.

What if the money is still in his wallet?
You're assuming that people who pirated something would've bought it. There is no basis for this assumption.

I define non-intrusive as being relatively low profile, no/little animation, certainly no sound. Anything that pops up is gaschamber tier. Shit on YouTube videos that either interrupts the video or plays at the start - anything that actively disrupts my ability to just use the site freely - is definitely intrusive.

>If I stole a guy wallet and he didn't know I did it. Doesn't mean I didn't do it.
Yes. Can you prove that he isn't lying?

Anything is free, corporations make prices and subsequently inflate these prices. Here it would be Google.

If you could make normies realize that the internet is the greatest form of learning, therefore making schools and whatnot irrelevant while throwing those money into helping people specialize their form of teaching and paying these so called server costs, we would have a better and more self-sustaining system.

Stop believing and spreading ///THEIR\\\ lies, faggot

>Mac
>master race
Nope, you are just a hipster.

As someone who runs a number of free websites with no ads, I can say that my out-of-pocket expenses are under $100 each year - so it really doesn't bother me.

If one of them became extremely popular and the hosting cost went up a lot, I'd just ask for the occasional donation.

Server space and bandwidth is cheaper every year.

Nothing on the internet says you must watch ads.

Anyone who suggests that you must watch ads is a filthy tyrant.

I consented to watching ads. I did not consent to guaranteeing I will watch the ad.

>You're assuming that people who pirated something would've bought it.

That's the meme user. It doesn't matter if you would of bought it or not. The fact is that you are now using a product that you didn't pay for. Doesn't matter if you like it or not.

Great counter arguments. I recently did a scan of my several year old Mac (2013 to be specific). Not a single piece of malware, adware, or virus detected. ZERO. Try a malware bytes scan on Windows and let me know how clean it is.

Your definition is broad. You may as well go fuck yourself. You are not a potential customer. You will never click on an add, no matter how friendly towards you it would be. We don't care about you.

I don't use an ad blocker, but I whitelist sites requesting resources from other domains, which effectively blocks ads. If they want me to view their ads, they're going to have to come up with a way to do it without forcing me to access servers I don't want to be accessing, because I will not be accepting that.

Oh noes. We are actively refusing to finance Jewish propaganda. The horror!

My PC my rules

Hiro is literally slith eyed kike so I dont feel bad about stealing money from him.

Low quality content deserve ad-blocker!

Your argument was that it causes a financial loss. That's what I responded to. Morality is not measurable and therefore it's completely moot to discuss it.

I dont want to give money to hiroshijew dęsů

There are more lies on the Internet than real, valuable tutorials. Plus the coder rats from corporations refuse to help others on stack overflow because they are afraid that more people would start using their obscure frameworks and replace them.

What, just any windows at all? If you aren't going on the scummy porn sites and clicking every free Iphone advertisement you see, it will also be zero
A computer doesn't infect itself, it needs a fuck-up user to do that.

Is it moral to block your ears if you don't want to hear something ?

Fuck all websites. I'm keeping my ad-blocker on.

>You're assuming that people who pirated something would've bought it

>You're assuming that people who steal TVs from homes would've bought them

I use adblocker, and an anti-adblocker blocker
>mfw this capatcha

If no one buy the product because people rather steal it instead, the creator loses money. This isn't rocket science, pirating is very much the same as stealing.

Wrong. I am a software developer and iOS/Mac OS is where the money is. Don't fall for memes, macOS is much more feature packed and intelligently designed than Windows.

On Windows 10 updates are forced, Mac OS I can tell it to try again in an hour, or later tonight, or tomorrow, or never. Most updates don't require a shutdown.

I wish whoever was in charge of Saints Row The Third had stolen my ideas instead of making that pile of garbage

>Nothing on the internet says you must watch ads.
Terms and Conditions.
You need to agree to them in order to browse this website.

>What is your excuse to stealing money from Sup Forums and other websites that you enjoy?

I am encouraging a new, non advertising based reality

What if the TV is still there?

Don't need one cuck.

Just did, 0 things came up.

This exists for a reason.

>You need to agree to them in order to browse this website.

I never did

>Windows 10
If you don't use windows 7 you're just pathetic desu
I might never update

Not only do i use addblock, i also pirate literally everything that can be pirated.

This is the information age boyo, deal.

No my argument is that you are stealing something and that stealing is wrong, God who raised you? You have shitty parents.

fpbp, same here.

Legitimate software can provide entry points for malware though, like that screenshot tool that didn't sign its updates. Wasn't malicious, just designed badly and in a way that most end users won't even recognise.

Let me know how easy it is to replace a part in your Mac when it goes bad

>tfw I actually take care of my PC and scan it regularly
>tfw 0 malware, adware, or viruses
>tfw my PC is older than yours and will last longer because I can upgrade parts as I need to

Not so friendo, most websites at the very least play games with tracking cookies, Apple requires cookies to be sandboxed therefore making them useless on macOS.

I agree with malware etc it is 95% user error. But because macOS is designed much better it takes out most of the probability, so even if you visit really shifty porn sites, unless you specifically download something, then disable gatekeeper to run it, and then enter your admin credentials.

You have nothing to worry about.

I can read both without paying or seeing ads with ublock origin.

>Your argument was that it causes a financial loss
Welp, you are gaining access for the product in the primetime when the userbase is there.
You get pirated shit when it's full price and wait for the price to drop to buy it.
That's not ok, as the price drops only because of the time passed. By playing a pirate in the prime time you are fucking them over for the amount of money they demanded when the game was full price. If you want to buy a game on a sale, don't play it beforehand as a pirate for more then 15 minutes as a demo, or better yet, watch a part of it on youtube.

MORALITY IS A SPOOOOOK

Not making money is not the same as losing money. It's completely impossible to know if someone would've paid for the product if he didn't pirate it, so it's impossible to assume any financial loss. Expectations of profit is not equal to actual profit.

Stealing actually takes something away that is then not available anymore.

Again, the entire piracy discussion is about morals, and since you can't measure that it's a discussion that will never end.

of course it's moral

Internet is a "Pull" media. You come online and YOU decide what you want to look at

TV is a "push" media. You turn it on and you receive shit you do/don't want.

(((They))) are trying to turn Internet into tv. You have every right to defend against "push" method