This thread is for the discussion of any and all left-wing political ideology, including, but not limited to, Marxism/Socialism/Communism/Anarchi
>Socialism is an economic and social system defined by social ownership of the means of production. (Workers democratically own and operate the places in which they work, as opposed to private power aka capitalism)
>The means of production are non-human inputs the create economic value, such as factories, workplaces, industrial machinery, etc. Socialists refer to the means of production as capital, or private property. Private property in the socialist context shouldn't be confused with personal property, such as your home, car, computer, and other possessions.
>In a capitalist society the means of production are owned and controlled privately, by those that can afford them (the capitalist aka those with capital). Production is carried out to benefit the capitalist (production for profit). Workers are paid a wage, and receive that amount regardless of how much value they produce.
>Communism is the highest developed stage of socialism wherein there is no state, no money, no class system. The means of production are owned by all and provide for everyone's needs.
Libertarian: Mikhail Bakunin - God and the State (short read) Thomas Paine - Agrarian Justice Noam Chomsky - Notes on Anarchism Anton Pannekoek - Worker's Councils
Communism >created by and established by jewish elite >bleed eastern european countries dry of wealth >systematically destroyed the orthodox church >close to half the world is self described Marxist Leninist, USSR a super power; >collapsed in peace time
National Socialism >european >promotes strong people, strong families >rewards mothers >fastest economic recovery in human history, Germany economic miracle >ends in a two front war that took the entire world to take down a lose coalition of a few nations
Noah Baker
reminder that the workers lose Marx's class struggle every time
Connor Cox
>created by and established by jewish elite There is no Jewish elite. Only the elite. If there Jewish is does not matter. >bleed eastern european countries dry of wealth Only in its early stages. Plus look what it did for Russia. >systematically destroyed the orthodox church Doesn't have to and >implying this is a bad thing >close to half the world is self described Marxist Leninist, USSR a super power; >collapsed in peace time It was due to Gorbachev and USA
Austin White
>european Irrelevant >promotes strong people, strong families Strong =/= Good >rewards mothers Communism rewards women for the labor they do. >fastest economic recovery in human history, Germany economic miracle Outweighed by downsides of being a dystopia ideology. >ends in a two front war that took the entire world to take down a lose coalition of a few nations So what? It created a strong country. Strong=/= good
Isaac Walker
Also national socialism supports exploitation of workers and private control of the means of production. Not socialism.
Christopher Baker
Is alt-right bean man a meme now?
Matthew Gray
Fuck off leftfag
Lincoln Reyes
No :)
Daniel Wilson
Fuck off from pol with your communist bullshit this is nationalist board
Blake Brown
This is supposed to be a open political board. Its the nationalists who are the invaders.
Charles Stewart
Fuck off we all know you marx fags came here from reddit
Jace Cruz
Here in EastEu almost all adults today who grew up in communism say that it was superior, and it gave them a safe social and financial net. Nobody was Job-/homeless
now, those people have bought cars and expensive shit on foreign currency loans, namely Swiss Frank loans on an Ex. Rate of 140...now the rate is 250ish. They got fucked, those people know nothing of economics nor supply/demand shit.
pls help
Colton Russell
I want to be a Communist but how can you be after the failure of 20th century Socialism?
If you can't admit it was a failure then there's no point discussing further cause you're delusional.
Luis Clark
Most of us were inspired by the raid.
Elijah Myers
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Christian Harris
It was a failure. Kind of. Those countries which operated for some time proves that Marxism works at least economically.
John James
>when all the rich people are risking there life to get out
Asher Brown
So how do we learn from our mistakes? What do we do differently this time?
Oliver Walker
Are you saying that communism cannot be nationalistic? Because I'm pretty sure that you never heard of "Socialism in One Country"
Joshua Foster
Fuck you, I hope you come down on the wrong side of the power struggle of '25-27 and Stalin kills you 10 years later
Landon Garcia
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Landon Cruz
By not being totally totalitarian. Authoritarian socialism is very close to fascism. I Would like to see a multi party system with the basic principles of socialism built into the constitution but everything else changeable.
Parker Jenkins
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Julian Garcia
Explain why I, as an educated professional, should receive the same payment or material outcome from my work as a pleb whose only skill is riding a Deliveroo bicycle.
Jason Smith
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Jose Hall
It "failed" because it abandoned it's roots. Do some research, after Stalin's death Khrushchev began "reforms" which decentralized the economy and put "managers" in charge of productions. By the 60's and 70's these managers were taking business degrees at Harvard in the US.
Have a read of "The Resoration of Capitalism in the USSR".
Hudson Jenkins
>"Will it be possible for this revolution to take place in one country alone? >No. By creating the world market, big industry has already brought all the peoples of the Earth, and especially the civilized peoples, into such close relation with one another that none is independent of what happens to the others. Further, it has co-ordinated the social development of the civilized countries to such an extent that, in all of them, bourgeoisie and proletariat have become the decisive classes, and the struggle between them the great struggle of the day. It follows that the communist revolution will not merely be a national phenomenon but must take place simultaneously in all civilized countries—that is to say, at least in England, America, France, and Germany. It will develop in each of these countries more or less rapidly, according as one country or the other has a more developed industry, greater wealth, a more significant mass of productive forces. Hence, it will go slowest and will meet most obstacles in Germany, most rapidly and with the fewest difficulties in England. It will have a powerful impact on the other countries of the world, and will radically alter the course of development which they have followed up to now, while greatly stepping up its pace. It is a universal revolution and will, accordingly, have a universal range." —Friedrich Engels, The Principles of Communism, 1847
Benjamin Campbell
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Josiah Sanders
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Brayden Gutierrez
GTFO Max.
John Moore
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Henry Myers
Max...?
Jason Sullivan
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Justin Sanchez
Do not try to steal that victory from the Russian people, you commie cunt.
Austin Taylor
The Russians can go fuck themselves
Carter James
they're mostly leftyniggers i think now
Xavier Reed
Max Stirner.
Nathaniel Ross
Shitty general, with shitty resources and shitty reddit posters. >/sage
Blake Roberts
L O W E N E R G Y
Caleb King
>If there Jewish is does not matter. Lurk more newfag
>Only in its early stages. eastern europe has barely recovered from communism >Plus look what it did for Russia. what did it do? russia was the 5th most developed country prior to communism
>Doesn't have to and >implying this is a bad thing only communists believe this.
>Outweighed by downsides of being a dystopia ideology. "ITS BAD BECAUSE I SAW IT IS" topkek mate
Ian Kelly
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Luis Jackson
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Jack Morgan
It's high time Sup Forums belonged to the Left. May the Communist uprising here spread throughout the world!
Austin Evans
Reminder that communism was created by Jews.
Ian Watson
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Thomas Scott
>Strong =/= Good
found op
Gavin Garcia
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Chase Perry
>comparing millennia of capitalist societies, thousands of countries and wars to like the 4 communist countries that tried and failed within 20-30 years
you're as bad as people that say white people commit more crime without accounting for population ratios
Mason Reed
kys
Christian Martinez
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Julian Wood
sage every commie fucktard thread
Dominic Barnes
the finish communist is now advocating for capitalism
Ayden Hughes
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Henry Stewart
Nazism is for inferior losers looking for someone to make them feel strong
All Nazis should do the world a favour and splatter their brains over their basement.
Aaron Perez
First mistake is putting a Russian logo and Marx. Marx system was Communism although some of Marx (German) btw, was applied. Marx believed that Capitalism over time would lead to a division of wealth within a system that would lead to rule from basically the wealthy that would opt for policies to keep that wealth among themselves, therefore Marx felt if you put the value on labor instead of Capital it would work. Truth is both is required. We need Capital, but we also need regulation of Capital and in some instance this regulation must be able to keep three classes of people with the majority in the middle. troy*
Sebastian Martinez
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Brandon Wright
I see that no one can answer my simple question.
I guess shitty, recycled memes are all you guys have.
Evan Morales
Hello communist friends. How do we deal with the western jews?
Cooper Adams
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Henry Hernandez
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Blake Butler
commuism is for inferior losers looking for someone to make them feel strong
All communists should do the world a favour and splatter their brains over their basement.
Blake King
The communism in eastern Europe didn't have time to stabilize before it was gone.
Also its dystopia because I would like to have some human rights and not be exploited thanks.
Grayson Miller
Marxist Leninism is litteraly impossible as it both doesn't have the means to preform basic economic calculation instead relying on centralizes planning which collapses in on itself and because the very foundation of all of Marx's theories is based on a ridiculous labor theory of value thag has been entirely deconstructed.
What most of you dumb capitalists do not realize is that *REAL* [exclusive]™ Communism has never been tried!
Sebastian Hernandez
opps = mistype - marx (Socialism) was not communism.
Camden Nguyen
So I guess the majority of niggers in America are firmly conservative, and- Oh.
Jose Bennett
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Henry Ward
F.
Logan Williams
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Lucas Turner
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Carson Young
my communist friends, how do we fix the wage gap?
Parker Cooper
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Charles Torres
Doesn't matter. Were against religion so churches would be abolished and Jews punished.
Joseph Gonzalez
>Greetings Comrades kys
Angel Howard
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David Walker
The day is gonna come when racists, sexists, and other varieties of fascists are extinct. Your kind are dying out. People with decency and respect for other human beings are taking your place. History will revile you.
Colton Roberts
>The communism in eastern Europe didn't have time to stabilize before it was gone. >40 years >not enough time to stabilize
communism dystopia because I would like to have some human rights and not be exploited thanks.
As you can see you are just throwing insults around that can be applied to anything you don't like
Jaxson Lee
This means they think the breakup was bad for the country, not that Communism was good for the country
David Sullivan
There is zero hypocrisy in that image. Only scare mongering >Waah see? Reality is harsh!! Waaah i need someone to protect from the laws of nature :Ccccc If anything that image is proof of how harsh the law of nature is. >This is the level of communist intellect sage
Jaxon Rogers
Cunt.
Austin Bell
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Adrian Rivera
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Camden Fisher
And what, pray tell, does Fascism involve? Not that I like it, i just want to know what specific kind of wrongthink you want to purge.
Chase Myers
>non-whites >human beings
Nathaniel Myers
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Isaac Fisher
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Parker Bailey
Sage
Parker Lewis
>Never had time to stabilize Ahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha >Socialism >Stabilizing Pick one
Grayson White
kys you degenerate
Isaiah Scott
Not real capitalism
Charles Wright
Pol will always be nationalist
Henry Watson
It was just after a war to. Plus it was OK just not as good as the non-commies.
Communism can have human rights. Its not mandatory to not have any.
