Why do liberals hate Russia so much?

Is it because Russia hates everything they represent? A nationalist country of white-skinned people?

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Conservatives hate them as well (don't deny it). It's because of Cold War brainwashing.

>nationalist country of white-skinned people

I think 2016 showed us that conservatives are just progressives with a slower pace. The name itself gives it away. They stand for nothing other than being the "brakes" to an agenda that they already joined or surrendered to

Liberals dislike Russia since at least the 19th century m8. Even Russians hate Russia, have you ever heard about Decembrists?

Neocons hate Russia because they're retarded and wish it was the 80's still and we had to compete with the Russians directly lest they overtake us. Libshits hate Russia because they're also retards and need a boogeyman to blame shit on, it is likely that Russia is their scapegoat because as OP said, they don't like them.

Perhaps an actual Russian can step in here, but from what I've learned from speaking with Russians is that they don't like liberals at all. They don't like hippies and leftists, especially after the collapse of the USSR and the capitalism that they've seen in the last two decades. I think that a lot of the older Russians that have lived through the communist rule know what it's like and see the privileged (as much as I loathe using this word) liberals in America pushing for socialism and communism in their prosperous society because they are ignorant and arrogant of what it actually looks like for those living under it. The Russians that I have talked to, and from what I've seen online, do not like liberals at all and in fact they seem to have more in common with conservatives or are even more right wing.

Uh, Russia is dangerously cucked. Pootin is gifting insane amounts of money as ransom to an ex-terrorist who boasted about killing his first russian when he was 16. He imprisons nationalists (DPNI is the most moderate movement left alive after post-Manezh purges, and they are pretty moderate), imports illegal migrants from Central Asia, he allows muslims to be pedos, in addition to whoring russians out to corporations and being a corrupt faggot.

Because liberal pro-us government helped to dissolve SU, drug our country into civil war in Chechen republic, spreaded corruption on all levels, ruin post-soviet Russia by privatisation and lead it to crisis of 1998, which fucked up our country well. That's why an average russian hate russian liberals and liberals in general.
And no one in this world hate our country more than russian liberal, they literally want to destroy it.

BTW, all your nationalists are fucking jews in disguise, russian nationalist movements are fucking jews and their puppets. Try hard, Shekelberg.
Pootin obviously not a brilliant person, but he is better than some jew or a fucking liberal, they will sell off our country.

I don't like Russians. But as long as they keep on their side of the border I won't have a problem with them.

Can you show me some evidence of liberals outright wanting war with Russia?

I believe you, don't worry. I just need it in tweet or news article format because my libtard friends are in shock when I tell them their party is combative towards Russia.

Because they are not very progressive and Putin murders journalists that are critical of him? Literally a corrupt gangster state. Like you can argue that USA and Isreal have issues but Russia takes it to another level.

As a liberal I really don't mind Nationalism itself but when it's used as a religion to justify a bunch of heinous shit and keep people in check it's hard not to see it as a cancer.

Russia after the break up was a tough tough place. The most brutal mafias in the world took over and oligarchs that make the mexican gang leaders look like church boys ruled with an iron fist.

Along came Putin, an ex kgb strong man, and he beat them down into submission. He then changed the constitution so that he could govern the place for as long as he pleased, beat the press into submission and gave some radioactive isotopes to those that disagreed with him.

dafuq does america want to fuck with this guy?

>murders journalists
>DEY WERE GOOD BOYS, DEY DINDO NUFFIN
Sincerely, every one of this journalists deserve their dead, as representatives of fifth column. Who gave them monies, what do you think?

Autocratic, curropt ruler who stiffles dissent, annexes territory, meddles in other countries politics...also has the arguably 2nd most dangerous military in the world. Hmmm, i wonder why?

Murdering journalists is a conspiracy theory. But if you want to go there, I present to you Michael Hastings' Mercedes.

>sell off our country
From the info i hear, putin largely oversaw the privatization of soviet assets in a heavily curropt fashion, literally giving away your country to cronies. can't speak to how truthful that is, but it passes the sniff test

>Hillary Clinton: “You’ve seen the reports. Russia’s hacked into a lot of things, China’s hacked into a lot of things. Russia even hacked into the Democratic National Committee. Maybe even some state election systems? So we gotta step up our game. Make sure we are well defended and make sure we are able to take the fight to those who go after us. As president I will make it clear that the United States will treat cyber attacks just like any other attack. We will be ready with serious political, economic and military responses.“
Just search for "liberal war with russia" and you will find plenty unveiled treats. There's much more veiled tread obviously.

Defending against percieved attacks does not equal wanting to wage war.

If you grt punched in the stomach, making sure you are on guard for another jab and broadcasting that punching me in the stomach is unacceptable...very different than waging war or even wanting a fight at all.

We can argue all we want about whether these shinanigans are going on, if russia state is directong cyber attacks....but us folks outside of the govt intillegence world will never know the full truth. If it is indeed true, the US has a right and a duty to protect itself

.t liberal.

Am i wrong?

>create bogyman
>blame country you want to conquer
>start a war

>Is it because Russia hates everything they represent?
Like single payer healthcare system? Or million free abortions a year? Or maybe mass immigration from thirld world countries? Or hate speech laws that put Sweden to shame? What is it, OP? Tell me!

No one wants to conquer russia, asshat

Hitler
Napoleon
Polish kings
Khans
...

Nah. No one wants to conquer us. Those are all people from the past, the reasons for their decision, totally not apply today.

>nationalist country of white-skinned people
AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
Nice meme.

Srsly, youre are equating a modern 21st century democracy with all those despotic imperial govts. Way to go, you've really bought into your governments propaganda.

I don't watch my government's propaganda. It's boring. I can't be arsed to go trough all the reasons why you are wrong. But here listen and decide if it sounds insane or true.

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>Serbia
>Iraq
>Libya
>Syria
>etc

You heard about some bullshit, he participated in that, put he definitely isn't that guy who authorized started this, it's fucking liberals.

>*and

Russia is one of the whitest countries in the world, as much as you want to deny it, you cucked liberal/durkistan immigrant

Neoliberal garbage read about the death and destruction the state of isreal causes on a daily basis.

I'm all for more transparency in govt and everything else. I absolutely believe the US govt has been a bad actor in many instances. Iraq is a great example. But you seem to assume that Putin/Russian govt is guilty of similar if not worse shit.

And anonymous is great and all, taking on the entrenched interest for the folks that dont have a voice. But i do not see any plan for replacing our current imperfect system. From what I can tell, freely elected govts and free (but regulated) markets have allowed for a more just and more prosperous world than at any other time in history by far. If we crumble this system, what do we build to replace it? What is our better alternative? Strong man autocratic leadership with the hope that the top dog will be a good guy, and look out for everyone???

Iraq is an absolutely fair point, although it was about removing a 'bad guy', not conquering...the US did leave Iraq fyi.

But the others not so much. US stayed out of syria. Did not overthrow Egypt, Syria or Libya Govts...their own people did. I am sure there was nudging clandistinely...but that is different than waging war and conquering

Oops, you seem to assume russian govt is NOT guilty of similar or worse
And i dont believe that for a second...

>But you seem to assume that Putin/Russian govt is guilty of similar if not worse shit.
Not at all. Our government is a bunch of ruthless selfish sociopaths, surprisingly patriotic selfish sociopaths. And I'm grateful to have them in charge, by comparsion to 90s when we where ruled by a manchurian candidate and his cohorts who looted and leveled the country and run off to the west.
>If we crumble this system, what do we build to replace it?
Societies evolve communism(state-socialism to be pedantic) has proven to be a self defeating system economically. You don't see it yet, but so has market capitalism. Regulated vs State capitalism are the next contenders for the position of better economical model. As for political one - who the fuck knows. I think populist authocracy vs social democracy are the next big question.
>but that is different than waging war and conquering
Not if you use your clandestine ops to install a faction loyal to you and then use your geopolitical and economic influence to keep them on a short leash. And don't start me on the whole "humanitarian causes" shindig untill you stop being allied with a state that engages in wars of agression like they don't mean anything while you fund their military and protect them on UNSC and KSA.

I'm not liberal, I hate Russia because its government destroyed and plundered the country where I was born, the USSR.

I don't give a shit who will control Russian gas and oil, Putin & criminals or the United States, it won't change quality of my life. I want Russia to become a colony of the UK, I suppose it will make lives of mortal Russians better.

>abortions

If we compare the HIV and abortion rates of Russia with those of the Western countries, it is Russia that could be called degenerate.

>I want Russia to become a colony of the UK
Then 90's taught you nothing. We were a colony. We got robbed, plundered and left for dead. The government you hate so much for destroying USSR was so left leaning they threw our national interest and then our economy, all to please the west. And here you are, asking for a repeat. Fuck you.

>Swedecuck sperging out on the evil Ivan
Classical
((Bonnier)) family has your brains on their cock since you were kid , faggot.
Russians are the only Christian white nation left that's why the devil is screeching in rage trough (((their))) mouths

>progressives with a slower pace

Umm, no, progressivism is garbage, what conservatives are, are pragmatists. Progressivism is the cancer of the political community, because it assumes that all progress is good.

>Not if you use your clandestine ops to install a faction loyal to you and then use your geopolitical and economic influence to keep them on a short leash.

I think you give the power of our clandestine ops and influence more credit than it deserves. In libya egypt and syria, the folks that have picked up the pieces (or are currently doing so) are not at all who the US govt would have chosen.

And i disagree with you about free but regulated markets being self defeating. They seem to be winning as far as i can tell. I do agree markets should be more regulated and corporate power should be reigned in somewhat to protect individuals. And I wholeheartedly support free elections and checks and balances on govt power. You lose decisiveness, sure, but when you concentrate power with some supreme leader, you aet yourself up for tyranny and needless destruction...Stalin, Hitler, Mao etc etc

>nationalist country of white-skinned people
>pussy police just standing and watching for like a hour at a nanny going around in the capital waving a child's head
>feeding chechnya

Sure thing, Vlad.

Lets get one thing straight: Nobody really likes Russia. If they didn't have nukes and oil, they would have nothing but drunks and bad driving. But they are a convenient scapegoat for American "liberals" right now because they can rekindle images of cold war soviets while blaming them for the fact their dirty laundry got aired and their shitty candidate lost. They also want to blame Russia for Obama's many failures in the middle east.

That what I meant, baltcuck.

They had such a good run at destroying you with communism. Didn't they learn their lesson?

>I hate Russia because its government destroyed and plundered the country where I was born, the USSR
> I want Russia to become a colony of the UK

Soviet multikultists are degenerates. Speshite videt`. Nothing new though.

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>I think you give the power of our clandestine ops and influence more credit than it deserves.
And I think you don't understand that people in charge matter. Look at Maidan. It was a real political movement against a corrupt government? Yes. Was it But who got installed by it? An anti corruption reformists aiming to protect interests of the country? No. A bunch of nazis who sold their country to EU for a promise EU has not fulfilled to this day and never will. And that is what matters. Corruption on the rise, troops being thrown at Donbass despite being under supplied and fighting a de facto impenetrable, because of geopolitics, opposition, Industry is dying out. It's 90s all over again in ukraine.

>free but regulated
This is nonsense. I never said Regulated markets were bad. I said free markets are. And america, right now, is a decisively free market, not a regulated one. It's not white/black issue, it's a scale. I'm saying that next better system is somewhere between Regulated and State capitalism.

Liberals don't like Russia because Russia doesn't like gays or globalists

Russia also is a horrifically corrupt kleptocracy but that isn't the reason liberals dislike them, although that is the main issue with modern russia (it seems most russians agree on this point too)

Russia has historically been a great power and deserves to be a great power, but needs to reduce corruption and up political freedoms (Freedom of speech, freedom of press etc)

Russia is "backed into a corner" right now and that is why Putin is doing shit like killing journalists & annexing Crimea... after the chaos of the 90s his main objective is preserving stability for his people, something which is difficult to do with a clean conscious

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Don Fry is a fucking russian agent

It is a russian tradition to subvert western countries into communism and then subvert them back into patriotic nationalism.

>Russia
>Nationalist
Do you realise our far rights are thrown into jail and hide now?

Liberals hate Russia because Russia doesn't give a fuck.

>White
>Proud
>Anti-feminism

That's all you need to be hated by the left

I know this is some funny shit.

YOU RUSSIAN DOGS ADMIT IT, THE JERSEY SHORE ARE RUSSIAN SLEEPER AGENTS WHO HACKED THE ELECTION
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ok but "far right" in Russia is not the same as far right in the west, is it?

what makes someone "far right" in Russia? Putin is considered "far right" to the west

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Our far right dont want to spoonfeed mudslimes from Caucassus and "build a wall" on borders with central asia.

"Russia for russians, other countries for russians too, genocide for everyone who isn't russian."

At least one killed illegal shitskin is what makes someone "far right" in Russia.

Interesting post, tho not entirely accurate.

>Russia also is a horrifically corrupt kleptocracy but that isn't the reason liberals dislike them, although that is the main issue with modern russia (it seems most russians agree on this point too)
This is very true, and shouldn't surprise anyone given that current gov was build with KGB and Mafia as it's primary building blocks. But it's getting beter every year. Now a week doesn't go by w/o a politician getting thrown out of office or in jail. And by the way, you guys are a corrupt cleptocracy too, so you don't get to throw stones on this one. You have legalised bribery ffs.
>needs to ... and up political freedoms
That's not necessarily true. You are operating under dellusion that there is a perfect model of government that works for everyone. Install a social democratic government in middle east, or theocracy in sweden, and you've got recepy for a disaster. And yet strongest country in the middle east is a theocracy, and vice versa. Government must fit the cultural needs of the population, not some pie in the sky model.

>his main objective is preserving stability for his people, something which is difficult to do with a clean conscious
No, his main objective is to reestablish russia as a great power. Stability was reached in first few years, journalist killings are way way overreported in the west. They do happen, but they are quite rare, and not at all necessarily on his orders. Not trying to say that he never does it, just that they are actually rare and reported on events, not everyday commonplace occurances.

>Russia for russians
This one is actually ILLEGAL to even SAY

Pretty much. The (((ruling classes))) of the West are so high on their insane ideology of (((egalitarianism))) and (((multiculturalism))) that the thought of any European nation that is opposed to it is horrifying to them and that nation must be destroyed. Communism ended up being the best thing that ever happened to the Easterners. It taught them to know a (((Red))) when they see one.

If you thought Iraq taught them anything you are mistaken. Their arrogance and hubris knows no bounds. They very well would start a war with Russia. Although I do think that a war with Russia would very beneficial to us in the long run. Russia would undoubtedly win a land war, but the war itself would be such a disaster it would run the risk of destroying the ruling classes the way the world wars did. It might herald a return to a natural ruling order and an end to ZOG.

Spotted butthurt nazmen.

Nationalism is very, very fringe in russia. Putin is seen as protecting Russian values, not ethnicity. It would be suicidal for us as a country to do otherwise. I think you guys refer to it as civic nationalism.

>cockhole intellectuals

DEPORT ISLAM
BUILD THE WALL
PUTIN FOR PRISON
MAKE RUSSIA GREAT AGAIN

thats going to be a big wall

You seem to equate the level of corruption and foul play in US to Russia. Not. Even. Close.
And the level of prosperity in the US is totally on another order or magnitude. The system in the US is by no means perfect, but it is far more fair than in Russia

>Russia
>nationalist

Almost all of the oligarchs are Jewish, Putin allows millions of Muslims to come work shit jobs "that Russians can't do" in Russian cities and centres.

He's not as insidious as those bureaucrats in Brussels, but he's just as bad.

>Psokov
>Novgorod (in place of Nizhny Novgorod)
>Ulan-Uda
>Aginskoe (what, seriously?)
>Kersk

The fuck am I reading?

>Nationalism is very, very fringe in russia. Putin is seen as protecting Russian values, not ethnicity. It would be suicidal for us as a country to do otherwise.
+15 ramzan.

Oh my fucking God, I did not even notice. What a fuck up.

It's either civic nationalism or Islamic extremism.

There in lies the problem. America and everything it stands for is opposed to the interests, and doing everything it can to undermine, the interests of the European people in every part of the world. The Europeans would never get on board with multiculturalism and diversity if America wasn't exerting influence over them, not mention its own citizens. Ethnic replacement is happening before our very eyes. But no one wants to do anything about it because everyone is living comfortably and the money is so good. We're going to need a complete economic collapse in order to reverse the damage that America is forcing on the world.

re-establishing russia as a great power is in many ways the same as preserving stability. it is hard for a country as large as Russia to be "stable" while getting bossed around by the EU/NATO

as an american i have a problem with squashing political dissenters, but I have russian grandparents so i understand the nature of russia
and the problems that rabble-rousers have caused in the past

i think the west should take a friendly, yet balanced approach towards russia... cut sanctions and align our interests regarding trade and the middle east, but on the conditions that the anti-corruption campaign is continued and that political/individual freedoms are augmented (at least agree that it is something to push for long-term)

Civic nationalism on what fundament? It can be ONLY Russian civic nationalism. Not Rossiyansky. So it will never happen because our elites are scared even of it. That means civil war is inevitable as russians are becoming minority.

Cant say i agree. The ideology of ethnic nationalism was discredited by the historical reality of the 20th century. When ethnic nationalism was the governing philosophy of much of Europe, it caused the most massively destructive conflict in human history, and killed more white europeans than any other conflict in history. People seem to forget this...if you are looking out for white Euro interests, look elsewhere because whole hog ethnic nationalism has a real shitty track record on delivering results

>You seem to equate the level of corruption and foul play in US to Russia. Not. Even. Close.
Have you slept trough elections where the entire media, entire political establishment, Hollywood, wall street AND intellegence agencies were lobbying for a candidate that didn't win? Do you really think your institutions represent your people? Fuck no. They reresent your buisnesses. More than half of which are held by people more loyal to KSA and/or Israel than to US.

>And the level of prosperity in the US is totally on another order or magnitude.
We went trough a near complete economic, political and social collapse 15 years ago. No shit.

>The system in the US is by no means perfect, but it is far more fair than in Russia
Only at first glance. It's more "fair" than russian, sure, but only mildly more fair. Stop deluding yourself.

>re-establishing russia as a great power is in many ways the same as preserving stability. it is hard for a country as large as Russia to be "stable" while getting bossed around by the EU/NATO
It is, and yet we could keep to our borders and ignore outside world. We would be more stable, but less prosperous that way.

>i think the west should take a friendly, yet balanced approach towards russia...
I don't think it's possible. Unless trump really is a Manchurian candidate or we manage to take apart the EU.

t. mr. 60% cuck

It's because of a deliberate and vast propaganda campaign to smear them

Its a testament to our freedoms that so many institutions shit talked one candidate yet the people chose that same candidate. I do not support trump, he is a con man as far as i am concerned, but it says something about the level of freedom here when all these entrenched interests thow their weight behind one candidate but that candidate loses. Believe me, i understand we have our problems here, but at least we have fair elections. This election cycle proves it as far as I'm concerned even if i didnt like the results

Prove me wrong faggot

Sorry, but your sample size is one war. Not going to fly.

You will be South Africa 2.0 in 2050. And Zimbabwe 2.0 in 2080. There is really nothing to explain if you have brains.

The most destructive war in human history...but lets emulate the ideology that got us there...seems legit

>political/individual freedoms are augmented (at least agree that it is something to push for long-term)
Forgot to comment on this part. Thing is there is no strong case for this to be true. You are just culturally aligned to believe this to be an ideal. To elaborate.
Most people are idiots, politically and scientifically speaking. Not because they are stupid, but because they either are unwilling to commit to an effort to do their research for w/e reason or brainwashed on emotional level or trough repetition that something is true. Assumption that political freedom is a good idea stands on the preposition that humans are rational, and they absolutely are not. As for individual freedom - it's a complicated topic. Russia has a "closed doors" policy. I.E. do w/e the fuck you want behind them, just don't bring it out in the open. I can spent next 10 years bitching about putin on Sup Forums or even social networks and noone will bat an eye. Unless I manage to get a following and start speaking not against governmental policies but government itself.

If you want my personal take on it - I think a democratic input is needed but not as a deciding factor, rather as a thing to keep in mind. That is to say I think, to give you one example, China goes overboard with some of the shit it does, but their system is very nice in many aspects. I also believe in freedom of the press so long as they do their utmost to report fact, and not opinion. I do not like Idealogues, because they tend to get your country dead.

I'm actually quite pleased with current double layered russian government. Where one layer is entirely democratic and another is entirely otherwise. It's an interesting system, I look forward to seeing how it works once corruption is removed, or at least reduced, within it.

Jews want revenge for the pogroms. Seriously, that's all there is to it.

True. But that ethnic nationalism was an inter-tribal fight. It was tainted by imperialism and long-standing regional rivalries. Pan-Europeanism is a vastly different beast. It doesn't want to conquer or rule over anyone. It just wants to preserve what it ours.

Muhammed wasn't a prophet, but Samuel Huntington was. The world is now defined by civilizational (which are largely racial and ethnic) conflicts. Everyone else realizes that ethnic interest is a defining aspect of the modern world. China, Muslims, Latinos, you name it. Whitey needs leaders who understand this as well if he's going to make it another 2,000 years.

>Shlomo Goldberg tries to shill

Circumstances may vary alot. But Hitler saved his country from such deep dark shithole it got into its unbelievable. Soviets were preparing for war, Hitler had not got any options.

Indeed, I'm not trying to cast shade on that. But election system itself is perhaps the only thing that isn't rigged, altho it favours republicans greatly by design, in america. Well that and it takes more effort to piss off government into putting a bullet in you for a journalist/activist.

>ethnic nationalism can be done only one way
Amazing logic.

Indeed. I'd much rather all Europeans (and their diaspora) be forced to speak Russian than Arabic or Spanish.

>Everything hillary is saying is right, we have to go to war if we are cyber "attacked" first with no proof and risk the destruction of mankind simply on the allegations of it without showing any evidence to the public.

You shills are retarded.

I said nothing remotely close to that. Try again faggot

Nation is the core, it is the engine, the heart. Your forefathers made America, because they were forged into the nation by heavy circumstances. Remember my words: when you americans will loose that sense of the nation (and you are already loosing it) even the slightest economical crysis, average moderate shock can turn into a tragedy.

made America great*