The world has tried Communism and it failed, it has tried National Socialism and it failed...

The world has tried Communism and it failed, it has tried National Socialism and it failed, the west is currently trying social democracies and they are starting to fail.FREE MARKETS A STRONG DEFENSE SYSTEM & BORDER IS THE BEST CHOICE NOW, ITS TIME TO TRY CIVIC/LIBERAL NATIONALISM!!!!

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>it has tried National Socialism and it failed
and it was not allowed to happen
pretty much the whole world ganged up on them
and it's what it took to stop them

germany failed because the nature of national socialism is violent and violence always gets you interal or external enemies that will destroy you.

This. I'm not even a Nazi (just a classical fascist) but even I recognize that whereas socialism just collapsed in on itself, fascism required direct outside intervention in the form of total warfare. And wherever that warfare and intervention did not come (Salazar's Portugal) good results were seen. Just look at Norway and Sweden from the 1930's to the 1970's, they used a fascist corporatist system and achieved fantastic results. Socialists have no defense against this.

>Communism
>tried

Read Marx.

Only reason NatSoc failed is because of (((International Banker))) hating it

ah .... been so long since i seen that anime.

fascism required outside intervention because fascist governments burn through their country's resources and are forced to invade other countries to claim their resources. This means that fascism will probably always fail since it constantly must be at war to exist.

Monarchism is tried and tested for thousands of years. This recent wave of new ideologies from the 18th-20th centuries are just passing fads.

Free market + selective immigration is the key to success.

>free markets
>strong borders and defense system

Oxymoron

Saaya best grill.

>the nature of national socialism is violent
I don't see why that would be. Germany was being economically oppressed following its defeat in WW1. The Treaty of Versaille was a mistake. Nazism was mostly a reaction to that. They wanted to make their nation strong and prosperous again. And it was not allowed to happen. They might have seemed like the aggressors, but they acted preemptively. Stalin was also planning to backstab Europe once it has been weakened.
That's what I gather from it anyway. History is written by the victors. But they make the nazis seem so extremely bad and evil that I can't believe their stories anymore.
The nazis probably turned a bit crazy at some point when they started losing pretty bad though.

>And wherever that warfare and intervention did not come (Salazar's Portugal) good results were seen.
>american education

Literally everything in your post is wrong

>economics is the driving force in culture

Nah he's retarded

>If it failed, that means it hasn't been tried.

>>the nature of national socialism is violent
>I don't see why that would be.
Then read something about WW2 that is not tgsnt

>They might have seemed like the aggressors
>What is Austria/Czechoslovakia/Poland/Norway/Denmark/Belgium/Netherlands/Luxembourg

>They wanted to make their nation strong and prosperous again.
>by engaging in perpetual war

>because fascist governments burn through their country's resources and are forced to invade other countries to claim their resources
Or maybe it's just because they were actually preparing for war?
I don't see why they couldn't preserve their limited resources. More so than when for-profit corporations are ruling.

What do you mean by fascist corporatist system?
Norway and Sweden were both ruled by socialist parties from 1930s to 1970s.

Communism is a stateless society, so yes, communism has never been tried

I just gave you an example of fascist economics that worked out really well for their countries, Norway, Sweden, and Portugal.

Haha, I know the commies always get butthurt about Salazar but your countrymen feel differently. He was apparently voted best Portuguese on one of your shows after all, and he is well known for his political and financial stability during his reign.

>Communism has failed
yup. we may have to look towards it at some point with the technological progress we're making in manufacturing.
>National Socialism has failed
could be tried again, Hitler was a shit economist and relied heavily on a war economy. His perfect world couldn't last due to his economics.
>social democracy has failed
also true, but the message of it failing won't be spread fast enough for leftists to hear. They all already have the ideas that you can just tax the fuck out the rich to fix all of America's problems and think Scandinavia is a damn utopia.

>poortugal
>Scandinavian Caliphate

pls

They followed a system called folkhemmet, it was considered the "middle way" between capitalism and socialism, and it used a corporatist system. That's pretty much fascist economics to a tee.

Tell me something.

How could any kind of economic system based on justice and equity ever work, if it has to compete about limited resources with rampant capitalism?

I mean why would people settle with "enough" when they're being offered more than enough, produced by globalists with slave labor in 3rd world countries, not giving a fuck about sustainability of resources, health or nature?

Its like trying to raise a healthy nuclear family while niggers gangs are selling drugs and having shootouts on your yard.

We need to return to small monarchist city states with complete private property rights

>Haha, I know the commies always get butthurt about Salazar but your countrymen feel differently. He was apparently voted best Portuguese on one of your shows after all, and he is well known for his political and financial stability during his reign.
>american education

Literally no one but some old farts thinks he was good.

>He was apparently voted best Portuguese on one of your shows after all
>american trying to lecture me on my own country
He was voted not "best" but "biggest" Portuguese of all time. It was essentially a popularity contest that only old farts voted

>and he is well known for his political and financial stability during his reign.
He is known has a honorable man, a non corrupt man, but he was still a dictator with blatant abuses on human rights, who kept our country poor and dragged us in a prolonged war

>but your countrymen feel differently.
>american saying he know the Portuguese people better then me

> worked out really well for their countries
>Portugal
wat?

>relied heavily on a war economy
>in 1933-1941
lolno.

That's a play on words, they have tried to reach communism but they failed every time. What difference is there between an ideology that doesn't work vs one that is unobtainable thus not working in reality?

A Contsitutional Free Market Monarchy/Dictatorship could be good if the rulers would always govern correctly but since that is impossible we need a Civic/Liberal Nationalist Republic

A Civic/Liberal Nationalist Republic Free Market could be good if the rulers would always govern correctly but since that is impossible we need Anarchism.

>they have tried to reach communism
A communist can always argue that the intentions of the so called communist revolutionary weren't the best, let's say.

>What difference is there between an ideology that doesn't work vs one that is unobtainable thus not working in reality?
The difference is that the 2nd was never tried

Hey I just watched that series yesterday, I liked it more than I thought I would.
I'm surprised they didn't go anywhere with the main character seeing those sluts dance on stage after never interacting with females before, I thought for sure there was going to be some cringey shit where he has to get "the talk" from the ship doctor or something lol

>I just gave you an example of fascist economics that worked out really well for their countries, Norway, Sweden
The fact that you think fascist ideologies is working well here in Scandinavia sure is retarded.
Sweden is on the fast track to becoming a third world country before 2030. Norway relies entirely on its oil and will be fucked if that ever runs out.

With anarchism we will lack organization and easily get conquered by expansionist goverments

where did you watch it and whats the name ?
(i dare not ask in Sup Forums)

I watched it on Netflix. Its called Gargatia on the (something) planet
The something is a word that starts with V. I honestly can't remember the word

Humans arent peaceful enough to sustain an anarchist system so first we need to trasition from social democracies to liberal nationalism and once we evolve more and become more peaceful we can finally try anarchism.

Verdurous Planet.
Garngantia on the Verdurous Planet

Just because it's unobtainable doesn't mean they haven't tried to implement it, everything politically is a sliding scale not an on/off switch.

This is why Capitalists point to economic prosperity of more economically free countries even though a true free market hasn't been "tried" yet.

I don't think human's are peaceful enough to maintain statism hence all the continual failures with Monarchy, Democracy, Dictatorship, Socialism, Communism etc.

The constant need to control everything through force backfires every time, it's almost like an age old lesson of the universe humans refuse to adapt to.

>Literally no one but some old farts thinks he was good.
Lots of old farts in your country then.

>He was voted not "best" but "biggest" Portuguese of all time. It was essentially a popularity contest that only old farts voted
Actually he was voted "greatest" Portuguese of all time

>american saying he know the Portuguese people better then me
I've talked to other Portuguese on this board who feel quite differently from you on him.

Sweden's problems come entirely from the fact that it accepts 3rd worlders into its country, which wouldn't be a problem if they accepted the nationalist and authoritarian aspects of fascism as well as the economic aspects.

Norway has been responsibly planning for its oil running out by stockpiling tax money from the oil.

Its called Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet i watched it on crunchyroll.You should watch it, it has a good capitalism message.

I just want to say that I hated the fact that the kid was forced to change to the world instead of having it bow to him. That would have been the logical choice: Get the world up to code to fight the space squids or whatever the fuck they were and then have the humans of that world kill the space squids in space after killing the ones in the ocean.

But no, it had to go and be this "feel good" story about how if you kill your enemy they win resulting in the best character in the show, the fucking suit, to die.

Fuck that show and fuck you for reminding me of it.

I used to be an Ancap but now im a minarchist because i know ancapism is impossible to achieve in our lifetimes since humans arent that peaceful and evolved yet.

>implying socialist can't use facism through democratic means

Your a national socialist, arent you?

It didn't make sense for the character to do what he did at the beginning as he was a very by-the-books individual. The suit even said as much.

>Lots of old farts in your country then.
true dat

>Actually he was voted "greatest" Portuguese of all time
>american trying to lecture me on my language
He was voted "o maior", not "o melhor" Portuguese of all time.

>I've talked to other Portuguese on this board who feel quite differently from you on him.
>this american dumbfuck thinks that the opinion of the posters with portuguese flag is the average portuguese opinion
>american education

this, we should prepare tofight the space sqiuds, religion shouold be apply'd as a caste system among men.

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HYPOTHESIS: OP IS A FAGGOT

>leaf

also realistically even if everyone in your country suddenly decided to become ancap you'd just get interfered with to fuck and back by every surrounding state trying to spread their influence

You missed the entire fucking point. The other space dude was doing exactly that. The kid was going to do that too but he was conflicted after he found himself enjoying the way of life on gargtia.
And there was literally no point in killing the space squids on earth, especially when he found out the truth. Not to mention the war was 6,000 years of non warp travel away.

I agree it sucks the best character died

>ancap
dirty commie fuck

user, why should I believe you on what the Portuguese people think? Pol attracts the fringes, and let's be honest you're probably a socialist or libertarian, so obviously you'd hate him. But I'm going to go with what the people voted for officially, not some random pol poster.

t. Alberto Barbosa

Striker pls go

>and let's be honest you're probably a socialist or libertarian
neither

>so obviously you'd hate him
I don't hate him. The only people that actually hate him here are the commies.

>going to go with what the people voted for officially
The only party that does not denounce him is a fringe nationalist party.

The "vote" you are basing your beliefs was a shitty popularity contest, pretty much a online poll.
The 2nd most voted was a turbo commie and the third was a Portuguese consul who saved thousands of jews in WW2

I'm not saying he was the best, there were certainly other countries who applied corporatist economics better than he did. But, while growth may have been slow, the country was financially stable, it didn't fall to communists, and it was saved from WW2. I think that deserves merit. I do agree with you somewhat though, he could've done better. Badly managed corporatism is going to be mediocre, regardless of the merits of corporatism itself. But hey, at least it doesn't cause the downfall of empires or social revolution like communism and unfettered capitalism does.

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Your right i do suffer of faggotry but is there a problem with that?

>and it was saved from WW2.
This was his biggest success easily.

> I think that deserves merit.
And i do somewhat agree with you and i already said itt. But you have a romanticized view of the regime.

Yeah thats why im a minarchist

Thank you greatest ally

The problem is believing thereisn't a problem, degenerate

>That image
Thanks for reminding me that existed and why I hated that show.
>Pirates kidnap a punch of the people
>Dude in mech saves them and kills the pirates
>"Wahh why did you kill the priates that tried kidnapping and raping us?"

No, I'll agree with you that he wasn't the best. He was mediocre, like Franco.

Are you fucking high?

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Uruguay. Social democratic. Leads continent in GDP growth. Same with Czech. Norway? A trillion Dollars in oil money saved. Nationalists are only nationalist for zionism and the Bible says all the nations (not the goy like some translations say) mean less than nothing to Him. And you suck with rights and with money because right wingers don't know the Bible from their cucked Eve vaginas and true rapist asshole sodomy

Salazar on social terms was hated, on economical terms he fixed our economy and was introducing plans in order to reform our industry. His mistake was refusing to let the colonies go plunging the portuguese ppl in bullshit wars. If he didn't make that the military wouldn't overthrow him

> The whole world ganged up on them
Seems like they started both those wars themselves

>National Socialism failed
nice meme

Meh, humanist meritocratic feudalism seems more ideal

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Wrong

The exact reason I stopped watching

Then why did you presented him as a successful case?

>on economical terms he fixed our economy
On what cost?

To be fair it would be a little disturbing that this emotionless autist has a weapon capable of wiping out a few hundred people with extreme pin point accuracy. They were just trying to get him to understand that in future conflicts he doesn't need to completely wipe out any and all aggressors

What makes you think i voted for shillary?

Every time I see a NatSoc proposing a good solution or answer, its accompanied with an anime image.

Why is this?

Nazis were socialists and the Norway Labour Party are corporate fascists. One failed the other succeeded so flip it on its ass and vote for frogs, fiat moni, inheritances and the third temple

Fascism works well in every place where it does not have to worry about the entire rest of the world terror bombing its civilians every night.
Communism never works at all.

Civic Nationalism has already failed

it helps you identify them as someone who doesn't understand what there talking about due to being lost in there own little fairy world where everyone says please and thankyou, and does what there told

Free markets ignore community needs

For example, in old America people lived in large multi-generational family homes. You would have 3 generations of family all living together, doing chores for each other, helping each other out. People were close to each other, family and community meant something

In modern America we all live in little birdhouses. Since people don't live with their extended family, they all need to cook for themselves, which makes necessity processed foods that are quick and easy to prepare. Also, they send their old people off to die alone in a home, instead of living with them as a family unit.

Free markets really fuck up communities. Also nature. Instead of preserving natural beauty and wonder for the future, free markets seek to develop everything into strip malls

>it has tried National Socialism and it failed

WRONG
The only reason it wasn't successful was because the nose stopped it from spreading.

In reality, National Socialism is the true, ultimate answer to the political question.

1) This is an anime imageboard
2) It lowers peoples guard and puts a smiling face on an ideology and aesthetic that would otherwise repel people away
3) I'm not a nazi (just a fascist) but I just like Nazi lolis.

HAHA we get to bash Communists and their useful idiots while posting anime girls this truly is the best time line

National Socialism was a reactionary movement against Bolshevism

A more long term solution would be something like the original charter of America with a few tweaks

Which anime this picture come from ?

Civic nationalism hasnt been tried

The pure form of anything hasn't been tried

All you can do to argue something is to look for where your general principles seem to be working and where they seem to be failing

Yes it has and you are looking at the results of that stupid ideology around the world right now.

What is the difference between a Nazi and a Fascist?

Race.

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Fascism is an economic system, Nazism is a social system

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