So... Trump wins 286 to Hillary's 252 in worst case scenario.
Alexander Wright
Let's say hell freezes over and 20 Republican electors do flip.
Trump would still get 286 electoral votes and become President on the 20th of January, 2017.
Jacob Ortiz
I saw Hillary Clinton a grocery store in Washington DC yesterday. I told her how cool it was to meet her in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother her and ask her for photos or anything. She said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but she kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing her hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard her chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw Hillary trying to walk out the doors with like 20 Electoral Votes in her hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Ma'am, you need to tally those first.” At first she kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the votes and started scanning it multiple times, she stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any foreign electorial infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each vote and put them in a bag and started to say the result, she kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
Gabriel Bennett
Please do it, I want to watch a civil war happen in other country
Christopher Davis
His glasses look way too small.
Chase Foster
k but he won by 36... and a lot of hillary delegates have also said they won't vote for her... this 20 is not flipping to Hillary but will write in jeb bush or w/e
Aiden Hughes
>BTFO why are all the liberal shill posts on Sup Forums like this? Its like they are all by one person
Jace Hill
If Clinton is somehow elected President, what will happen? Will there be a coup, an uprising, or will Americucks just go along with it because hamburgers and TV have left them sedated like the rest of the developed world.
Grayson Allen
Wouldn't this likely result in a vote by congress, resulting in a Republican in the White House either way?
Michael Rodriguez
Do you not realize that this would please us?
We want the happening. Trump was a means to that end.
If you take the election away from him through elector votes then you will spark a civil war and the happening.
Do it, pussy.
Gavin Hall
All you retards forget 1 thing.
Hillary has the SUPER electors.
Dylan Reed
Humpty Drumpfty had some swamp boats Humpty Drumpfty needed electoral votes
But all the alt-racists and all their white men Couldn't get him in! Sad! Madame President?
Andrew Fisher
Yup.
Nathaniel Sullivan
>Will there be a coup, an uprising
Yes, there will be. You can say whatever you want about fat ameritards and burger-eating habits but they're not going to let it slide.
Nicholas Nelson
10/10
Aiden Martin
public forums arnt the place to discuss theoretical plans should such a scenario occur.
Thomas Moore
they're not going to overturn the results. they know they'd be causing a civil war.
Jaxson Robinson
I hope any electors who fail to vote with the will of the people get jailed, or lined up against the great wall of Mexico and get shot.
Fucking sickening shit.
Thomas Adams
I hope to god that they are one elector short. That would make the victory taste the sweetest.
James Perez
The military would stage a coup d'état, fire up some helicopters, and the Caravan of Death would begin. All anarchists, socialists, and communists would be executed, and their sympathizers would be exiled to Canada.
David Rivera
>being this new
incredible, really.
Ryan Lewis
Lets get their names up for all to see.
Jacob Jackson
That... still means he wins...
Jeremiah Perry
>Thinking that meme magic and the beloved AR-15 stand a chance against the federal government and the military
Sup Forums likes to imagine a world where they can go head to head with the military with weapons they haven''t purchased yet, and if they have purchased are too afraid to use. There would be a weaboo outrage and the electoral college system would be abandoned.
There wouldn't be a another Civil War because the technological ability of fighting a civil war has extended beyond men with guns and cannons. It's now men with guns against fighter jets, helicopters, and worst case scenario, men who are actually trained to fight. Not people who's greatest military training is reaching prestige in Call of Duty.
As for a coup? The military swears to protect and defend the Constitution. If the electors determine that Trump isn't worthy of holding the presidency, that's the electors decision to make and the military's responsibility to defend in the preservation of the union.
Julian Watson
There is only one way for you to avoid your trial
Sebastian Russell
Sorry I triggered you in your safe space.
Blake Watson
Every single one of those electors would me missing their heads the day after.
John Sullivan
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Austin Jones
All their personal information is out there so they could at least get fucked with after this is over for even entertraining the idea, which I would encourage because Trump hurting people's feelings is not a reason for usurping a democratic election result.
Sebastian James
>The military swears to protect and defend the Constitution
So does the President. Didn't stop Obama from violating it as often as he could get away with.
Ethan Thomas
Give me an instance where you think Obama violated the Constitution.
Isaiah Rodriguez
>the technological ability of fighting a civil war has extended beyond men with guns and cannons. >civil wars can no longer happen Fucking leftists HAHAHAHA holy shit
Hunter King
Did you ever think he was rating the edit to the pasta, you potato-slurping leprechaun?
Elijah Torres
>all their personal info is out there
We need to get on this.
Punishment for any betrayals
We've ruined lives before
Jack Adams
Refute my point. Do you REALLY think if there was a rebellion between citizens and the federal government of the United States that a bunch of people that live in red states (which ironically are heavily subsided by the Federal Government) are going to stand a chance against the greatest standing military in the history of mankind?
There's a difference between American exceptionalism and stupidity. Just let me know how delusional you are.
Ethan Gray
EPA Clean Power Plan found unconstitutional:
Chamber of Commerce, et al v. EPA et al
That's one of multiple examples of Obama's EPA getting BTFO by the Supreme Court
Obama immigration order struck down as unconstitutional:
United States, et al, Petitioners v. Texas, et al
Christian Hernandez
The house can just say "lol no" and reject the tainted vote iirc
Nathaniel Foster
No, it only goes to the House if no candidate gets more than 270 electoral votes.
Aiden Jenkins
270 or more rather
Blake Martinez
Lessig does the bidding of the femme fatale Szelena.
She's a feminist plant. Has him by the balls.
Look her up.
Sebastian Rodriguez
The red states ARE the military you fucking idiot.
Gabriel Bell
Oh boy it's this reply again.
Jack Howard
Looks like I may using that gun I bought after all
1. Guerilla warfare means anything besides small arms is useless. You can't drone strike your own population centers.
2. Foreign governments would get involved in any American civil war.
3. At LEAST have the military would defect, same with alphabet agencies. There was a military user on awhile ago who dealt with wargames for just this scenario if anyone has the cap.
4. American gun-owners are better trained on average and have better equipment then the average soldier, and outnumber him over a hundred to one.
The sheer idea that the American people, and the military [which overwhelmingly voted Trump] would just sit down with their thumbs up their ass and go "MADAM PRESIDENT!" is so ridiculous you'd have to be a liberal to believe it.
Brayden Baker
Seriously, your argument's been so thoroughly debunked by now I'm tempted to assume it's bait, but living near a college campus has taught me otherwise.
Parker Carter
>You can't drone strike your own population centers.
I could see Trump nuking a couple of cities in California.
Gabriel Hill
There's a difference between violating the Constitution and passing legislation or implementing an executive order which is later found to be unconstitutional.
When a case poses a Constitutional question, it's picked up in the aftermath of a decision legal decision. There's a difference between immediately violating rights which are enumerated and posing a constitutional question to the court.
e.g. Bowers v. Hardwick (1986) finds that the court can't protect rights not enumerated in the 14th Amendment, but in Lawrence v. Texas (2003) the court finds that laws that aren't enumerated were in fact protected. Does that mean that states that had laws on the books were violating the constitution? No, it just means that the case posed a constitutional question which hadn't been asked yet.
>Greetings from Law School
Kayden Sullivan
You both have autism disease t. armchair psychologicalist
Nolan Parker
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Henry Martin
>The delegates will NEVER vote for Trump! Besides, don't we only have one confirmed traitor that's supposed to be voting for Trump? There was one other but his state replaced him.
Jace Johnson
>They flip on trump, he doesn't have enough electoral votes but Hillary doesn't either >Goes to a republican senate, republican house >Congress elects Mike "Faggot, meet electric magnet" Pence as president >Kasich or some shit as VP
Liam White
hahahaha good good, than RaHaWa will take place .
don't you fools realize that the Military is with Trump (most of his cabinet is stacked with generals and ex military) most of the police support Trump and yup all of gun loving racists.
the day of the rope mother fuckers
Matthew Walker
>Mike "Deus Volt" Pence gets elected >Be alive to witness the homo genocide
Julian Ross
Personally i don't see many people attacking the government user. Mostly just Hillary supporters getting btfo. If we had large scale unrest i think it would be very different from the usual "wolverines!!!" rednecks charging tanks or something. I'm thinking sniper attacks on hill dog supporters and blm rallies. Random shootings,stabbings,ieds,poisonings,etc
Grayson Moore
And thus, a new copypasta was born. Kekd and saved.
Charles Rogers
Why is the media always setting out to disappoint liberals? Are the secretly /ourguys/?
Owen Cook
Delusionnal. A bunch of goatfuckers farmers blew the fuck out of the NATO in Afghanistan. No doubt that the few military that would fight against the people would be crushed.
Christian Kelly
Syria has been going for, what, Six fucking years now?
Iraq still hasn't been stabilized.
Afghanistan is basically a none entity.
There is no benign U.S. friendly power to step in. China and Russia would just as likely side with the rebels.
>Federal Government >Military
Over 60% of the military voted Trump. If even 30% of your military walk, you're fucking screwed, provided they side with law enforcement and the population.
>It's now men with guns against fighter jets, helicopters, and worst case scenario, men who are actually trained to fight.
Half of which will be fighting the other half.
>As for a coup? The military swears to protect and defend the Constitution. If the electors determine that Trump isn't worthy of holding the presidency, that's the electors decision to make and the military's responsibility to defend in the preservation of the union.
Yeah, because it's not like the U.S. has thrown caution to the wind and defied the rule of law to kill each other before.
Daniel Jenkins
I knew you would respond with some faggotry like this.
I chose examples which had already been litigated so it wouldn't just be my opinion that what he had done was unconstitutional, or the opinion of some conservative Constitutional scholars, it would be the established opinion of SCOTUS.
There are certainly examples of Obama violating the Constitution that have not been litigated, but if I brought them up you would just make some faggy argument about how it was Constitutional even if it were blatantly obvious that was not the case.
In other words, your faulty premise of "you don't know if something is unconstitutional until the Supreme Court has decided on it" is exactly why I brought up things that had already been litigated.
Connor Thomas
The DNC is pushing for an electoral flip with Kasich being chosen as President.
Jace Scott
If California seceded....
>Since 1993, California has been the biggest producer of milk, butter, ice cream, nonfat dry milk, and whey protein concentrate. In terms of cheese production, California is second only to the Cheesehead nation itself, Wisconsin. That means if California left the Union, and milk had to be shipped in with tariffs, then many beloved dairy products would be more expensive. The biggest producer of alfalfa hay, which is what dairy cows eat, is California. californiadairypressroom.com/Press_Kit/Dairy_Industry_Facts
>California is responsible for about 16.5 percent of all of America’s fruit, vegetable, and nut productions. They are the leading producer of 81 crops, this includes producing 99% of all the artichokes, grapes and raisins, kiwifruit, olives, peaches, and plums. They also produced 99% of walnuts, almonds, and pistachios. California is also the leading producer of such everyday staples as garlic, onions, carrots, avocados, and spinach. nass.usda.gov/Statistics_by_State/California/Publications/California_Ag_Statistics/CA_Ag_Overview.pdf
>While there are wine vineyards found in every state, the majority of wine in the United States is produced in California. In fact, out of all the wine produced, 88.5 percent of it comes from California. Many of the grapes used for wine are grown in the world famous Napa Valley. ttb.gov/statistics/2012/2012wine-final.pdf
>United States would lose major companies like Apple, Google, Facebook, Disney, and Cisco, which are five of the Forbes 15 most valuable brands. forbes.com/powerful-brands/list/#tab:rank
>37 percent of all goods that come into the US enter the Port of Los Angeles, and is then transported across the country. The major trading partners of the Port are China, Hong Kong, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and Vietnam. latimes.com/business/la-fi-la-ports-competition-20160427-story.html
tbc
Jackson Torres
>new
Leo Hughes
>a new copypasta
literally the second oldest copypasta after the Navy Seal gorilla warfare one
Ian Roberts
the US Government cannot win a Civil War against it's own people, anyone who thinks this is a nigger.
75% of the military would take the side of the American People. 50% of the FBI/CIA/NSA/DHS/etc. would side with the American People. 10% of those defectors would do so quietly, aiding the rebels from the inside.
Don't fall for the bait, the American Government could not win against it's own people for so many reasons beyond what I listed above.
>Logistics >Human Rights Violations >Looking like the bad guys >The Media >Vulnerable Power Grid >Natural Terrain gives rebels the advantage
In all honesty, our government would attempt WW3 to distract us before they'd attempt anything that would result in a Civil War/Revolutionary War 2.
>muh drones! Useless, our government would not use them against the rebels if they could, as again 75% of the military would rebel, so it's likely the rebellion would have their own drones.
Christopher Cox
God emperor trumps legion?
Elijah Turner
because its a joke. how do you even live thinking almost every tead on here is made by an actual shill
>California is the biggest contributor to federal taxes, contributing 13.3 percent of all federal taxes collected. irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/12databk.pdf
Basically California is the richest state, thanks to producing staple foods, tourism, Hollywood (the only real american culture that the world consumes), it pays the most taxes, and houses the biggest companies. Your "civil war" scenario if Trump isn't elected president would leave the USA weaker, if California leaves.
There is only one single thing California would miss from leaving the USA, and thats water.
Nicholas Howard
Scrolled through...the whole electoral this boiled down to this: if 35 electorals flip, Trump may not have a legit path. It would NOT be Hillary, as no republican would agree to that. But If dems say "look--we see a Kasich, or Ryan, or Romney...and we'll play ball"...but just not this literal destroyer of worlds....
Hey--it was strange as fuck that he won the electoral; this could be an additional strange side-note. I mean--"for the head of the FDA I appoint my beloved horse, Stanley Sr."...this feels like a surreal Caligula moment...perhaps the senate should stab him and be done with it. Little hands....little boots.
Owen Gray
>That means if California left the Union, and milk had to be shipped in with tariffs, then many beloved dairy products would be more expensive.
So what?
>15% of Fruit/Vegetable/Nuts
So what?
>Wine
So what?
>United States would lose major companies like Apple, Google, Facebook, Disney, and Cisco, which are five of the Forbes 15 most valuable brands.
Would be bad. They can just be forced to move.
percent of all goods that come into the US enter the Port of Los Angeles, and is then transported across the country. The major trading partners of the Port are China, Hong Kong, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and Vietnam.
So they would fund a new port to access the U.S. market
The only major issue there is the corporations. They have two options;
so how does this work? does the public actually know how many of the (((electoral college))) """"votes""" or just the result? will we know their individual names so we can play harmless pranks on the ones who flip?
Kayden Stewart
You fail to realize how little that matters to us here.
Camden Howard
Don't worry Dahnald. With my powers of necromancy, I just turned those renegade electors into skelectors. From now on they will do your bidding only.
Ryan Taylor
>Tourism
Kind of hard to have tourism if no one can enter your country
>federal taxes
Losing 13 per cent would be brutal.
California meanwhile would go broke in a month having to raise enough taxes to fund a new military capable of repelling the rest of the U.S.
Leo Johnson
If they flip, there will be a civil war.
Zachary Stewart
>cost of staple foods goes up >"so what?" >"doesn't matter to us"
m8 are you new to politics? California is bread&circuses combined. California independent would be a top 5 world economy, you underestimate how filthy fucking rich and productive it is.
Brandon Jenkins
Yes. The vote is public.
The names are public.
Which is why people have been violently threatening them to flip the votes.
One of the guys flipping wrote a very moving piece for the New York Times.
And was then promptly outed as being broke and cheating on his wife and hiding money from her.
Jaxon Garcia
>navy seals pasta >old
Bet you don't even liek mukips huh faggot
Andrew Parker
it's a win-win, right?
when Trump won, we got to witness mountains of liberal salt and oceans of tumblrite tears, and a reality TV star gets to run the country for the next 4 years. assuming he doesn't start WW3, it'll be a comfy and hilarious presidency. if the electoral vote doesn't change, we'll get to experience the liberal butthurt yet again.
if Trump loses, rebel uprisings will occur in red states, entire squadrons of U.S. soldiers will defect, and we'll all get to fight in the Second Great Meme War of 2017. we might not all make it, but we'll tell our kids about it and honor the fallen.
Joshua Jones
>“to prevent any foreign electorial infetterence,”
Jason Jones
even if 37 don't vote for Trump, as long as they don't ALL vote for Clinton and neither candidate gets to 270, it would just push the vote to congress which is fully in Rep control so they would just vote for Trump
I'm pretty sure the voting takes place between the 3 candidates with the most electoral votes, so the only way Trump loses is if all the faith-less electors vote for another Republican (Jeb !!) and then the House decides to pick him (Jeb !!) over Trump, because no way a Republican house chooses Hillary
Kevin Jackson
>he thinks there will be actual armed conflict in the USA
Its hard enough to wage proxy wars in Asia, let alone at home. If there are problems with electing a new president and a crisis starts, it will be peaceful succession, like the Brexit thing for the EU, with both parties insisting they are better off.
Nolan Nguyen
>California independent With what water? You realize without that water they have no food right? You realize that they could be easily invaded right? You're fucking retarded. California needs us, not the other way around. We have space for crops elsewhere. We'll survive.
Jack Ross
>Civil War 2.0 will never happen >Michael Bay will never direct the movie once it's over Goddammit
Owen Baker
Who cares you dog spinning gypsy?
That's not even relevant to this thread. I live in California and this place, while wealthy and productive in the aggregate, is a gilded shithole.
Luis Rodriguez
Cali is a net tax consumer and it's the epitomy of everything wrong with the GDP measurement. Cali leaving the union would damage california far more than it would damage the USA simply because you are completely misunderstanding what the value in cali actually is, if the fact you think Apple needs silicon valley to do it's business is any guide.
Hunter Martin
>20 trump electors flip >trump still wins >20 hillary electors probably flip too (although they were saying they'd do it if she won, they might not if she lost) >the trump electors that flipped get lynched since their information is public
Bentley Hall
>Cost of staple food goes up
Yes, so what?
You just had a fucking state secede. An increase in the cost of milk is the least of your worries.
>California independent
Would be a third world country within a month.
It's filthy fucking rich and productive because it exists within the U.S. and under it's military and law enforcement protection.
>Wine
Where are they going to export the wine to? They can't access the sea lanes.
>Fly it out
How? They'll be shot down for breaching U.S. airspace.
They'll be choked out, borders unlocked, and turned into Somalia.
Nicholas Ortiz
The electoral college exists because you used to actually vote for the electors who had to then physically travel to Washington DC to cast their votes.
That only lasted only until political parties formed though, ever since then each state votes directly for the president and laws on how the electors are handled by the states. In most they have to vote for the candidate the people of the state voted for, and can be replaced if they decide to go full retard.
>He thinks there will be actual armed conflict in the USA
If a state tries to secede there sure will be.
>With both parties insisting they are better off.
lol, you base that on what?
Nicholas Nguyen
It's RaHoWa. Holy not Haly.
Kevin Nguyen
>The electoral college exists because you used to actually vote for the electors who had to then physically travel to Washington DC to cast their votes.
Electors casting their electoral votes in their own states is in the Constitution.
Levi Wood
Neither is Iraq.
Ask them how they fared trying to circumvent the U.S. Navy.