Thread for discussion of Italian Fascism, and other forms of fascism, Mosley, Codreanu, Falange, etc. Also for sharing fascist literature and information.
A Fascist general for Fascists and those interested
Be respectful and please try to keep conversations relatively "intellectual"
Good fascists/similar or influential people to get an introduction
Oswald Mosely Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera Benito Mussolini Adolf Hitler Stepan Bandera Corneliu Zelea Codreanu Salazar Ramiro Ledesma Ramos Ettore Ovazza Gaetano Mosca Friedrich Nietzsche Charles Maurras Enrico Corradini Filippo Tommaso Marinetti Johann Plenge Alceste De Ambris Gabriele d'Annunzio Juan Perón
Types of Fascism
Italian Falangism National-Syndicalism British Union National-Socialism Strasserism Meme futurism Clerical Fascism Brazilian Integralism Peronism
"[Fascism] was an explosion against intolerable conditions, against remediable wrongs which the old world failed to remedy. It was a movement to secure national renaissance by people who felt themselves threatened with decline into decadence and death and were determined to live, and live greatly."~Oswald Mosely
>CAPITALISM VS CORPORATISM >CAPITALISM "Capitalism is . . . a method of industrial production. To employ the most comprehensive definition: Capitalism is a method of mass production for mass consumption, financed en masse by the emission of private, national and international capital. Capitalism is therefore industrial and has not had in the field of agriculture any manifestation of great bearing.
I would mark in the history of capitalism three periods: the dynamic period, the static period and the period of decline. The dynamic period was that from 1830 to 1870. It coincided with the introduction of weaving by machinery and with the appearance of the locomotive. Manufacturing, the typical manifestation of industrial capitalism, expanded. This was the epoch of great expansion and hence of the law of free competition ; the struggle of all against all had full play. In this period there were crises, but they were cyclical crises, neither long nor universal. Capitalism still had such vitality and such power of recovery that it could brilliantly pravail.
There were also wars. They cannot be compared with the World War. They were brief. Even the War of 1870, with its tragic days at Sedan, took no more than a couple of seasons.
Josiah Collins
>CAPITALISM CONT the theorists of liberalism could say: "You, the State, have a single duty. It is to see to it that your administration does not in the least turn toward the economic sector. The better you govern the less you will occupy yourself with the problems of the economic realm." We find, therefore, that economy in all its forms was limited only by the penal and commercial codes. But after 1870, this epoch underwent a change. There was no longer the struggle for life, free competition, the selection of the strongest. There became manifest the first symptoms of the fatigue and the devolution of the capitalistic method. There began to be agreements, syndicates, corporations, trusts. One may say that there was not a sector of economic life in the countries of Europe and America where these forces which characterize capitalism did not appear.
What was the result? The end of free competition. Restricted as to its borders, capitalistic enterprise found that, rather than fight, it was better to concede, to ally, to unite by dividing the markets and sharing the profits. The very law of demand and supply was now no longer a dogma, because through the combines and the trusts it was possible to control demand and supply.
Jose Sanders
Oi yu pommey cunt I'll fokkin screw ya mum in er arse you right twat wanking shitestain
Josiah Howard
>CORPORATISM "If today I am better off practically, I owe it to the institutions which the Fascist revolution has created."
We want the Italian workers, those who are interested in their status as Italians, as workers, as Fascists, to feel that we have not created institutions solely to give form to our doctrinal schemes, but in order, at a certain moment, to give positive, concrete, practical and tangible results.
Our State is not an absolute State. Still less is it an absolutory State,remote from men and armed only with inflexible laws, as laws ought to be. Our State is one organic, human State which wishes to adhere to the realities of life. . .
Today we bury economic liberalism. The corporation plays on the economic terrain just as the Grand Council and the militia play on the political terrain. Corporationism is disciplined economy, and from that comes control, because one cannot imagine a discipline without a director.
Corporationism is above socialism and above liberalism. A new synthesis is created. It is a symptomatic fact that the decadence of capitalism coincides with the decadence of socialism. All the Socialist parties of Europe are in fragments.
Joshua Anderson
If you're interested, I have a 6 day long YouTube playlist of various National Socialist and Fascist audiobooks, a couple of documentaries, and some other good literature.
>WHAT ARE THESE CERTAIN CONDITIONS? There must be a single party through which, aside from economic discipline, enters into action also political discipline, which shall serve as a chain to bind the opposing factions together, and a common faith.
But this is not enough. There must be the supremacy of the State, so that the State may absorb, transform and embody all the energy, all the interests, all the hopes of a people.
Still, not enough. The third and last and the most important condition is that there must be lived a period of the highest ideal tension.
We are now living in this period of high, ideal tension. It is because step by step we give force and consistency to all our acts; we translate in part all our doctrine. How can we deny that this, our Fascista, is a period of exalted, ideal tension?
No one can deny it. This is the time in which arms are crowned with victory. Institutions are remade, the land is redeemed, cities are founded.
Daniel Bailey
This is great, ill have to add it into the OP next time.
Landon Morales
>CORPORATISM EXPLAINED Corporatism was invented for fascism by National Syndicalists. Corporatism is the main economic system a facist society will use. The goal of corporatism is to bring every major interest group or "corporate group" into working towards a common goal for the state. This allows for the state to easily regulate every corporate group and decide what is "good" and what is "harmful" for the state, anything deemed harmful will be banned by the state.
Christian Brooks
bumping out of interest
Easton Hill
Anything in particular you're curious about?
Charles Long
Thanks! One of my favorite books on the list is A Squire's Trial, its only 1.5 hours, and it explains Fascism philosophically rather than politically in the form of a Greek dialogue
Brandon Lewis
Been looking into Fascism lately and am interested in learning more about it. What I've learned so far I tend to agree with it
Ryder Williams
A Greek dialogue? What book is it?
Ryder White
Thats great m8, have you read the doctrines of fascism yet?
Carson Price
Its A Squire's Trial, its written like a Greek dialogue
David Miller
you should add some other works of value by European Philosophers
[Alexis de Tocqueville]
Christian Torres
So far I've watched the greatest story never told and have done some research into Hitlers beliefs. I know that's National Socialism which is a branch of fascism right? If you have any recommendations as far as books, websites, etc that would be great
Brayden Bell
Ah I see, I haven't read or listened to that one yet. Guess now I will, great playlist mate.
Nicholas Jones
Working on it, been compiling lists of fascist or fascist related authors and literature.
Eli Perry
The greatest story never told is a great place to start. Many peoples first redpill, and yes National socialism is a type/form of fascism. Has its differences but overall operate largely the same. For websites I can recommend ironmarch.org, they've put together some great reading lists on their site.
Adrian Rodriguez
Burger posing as brit? Or vice versa?
Dylan Brooks
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Dylan Gomez
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Elijah White
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Isaiah Garcia
You're all edgelords, kill yourselves.
Alexander Bennett
>edgelords >telling us to kill ourselves
Owen White
>literal fascists >on a board that allows true freedom of speech
How does this happen?
Colton Hill
I'm exercising my freedom of speech then, nothing wrong here :^)
Cooper Parker
>not noticing that National Socialism and Fascism have been popular on Sup Forums for a long time
Its ok, it took me a while to take the red pill too. And true freedom of speech means being allowed to preach whatever views you want, not telling people you disagree with to kill themselves.
Logan Myers
You all say, "gas the jews", how is that not an equivalent to "kill yourself"
Yes but you're still a faggot and an edgelord. Nobody will EVER take you seriously.
Charles Reyes
[I'm not trying to tell you what to do or counter signal your ideals]
there are many teaching from non "fascists" that could be applied to fascist societies
Natural order doesn't require labels and functions as efficiently as any utopia
there's value in everything in life either as an example or as a warning
one side sees only ideals to emulate the other only evils to avoid
only when the two are in balance and equal, then we'll have peaceful and functional civilizations
Caleb Nguyen
>you all say No, not all. >nobody will ever take you seriously History is doomed to repeat itself eh?
Luke Morales
If history is doomed to repeat itself, I guess commies will have the last laugh, eh? :^)
Isaiah Moore
This is basically already a principle in fascism though, everything must be just the perfect balance.
Jacob Lee
Not if things are done correctly next time around. USSR was nearly defeated by a already war dragged Germany.
Austin Ortiz
I don't think those bones of millions of innocent people are laughing
glad you find humor in genocide (typical "liberal")
Luke Butler
Anybody have that picture of Hitler doing a funny expression while staring in an angle?
Zachary Taylor
You will never win. Globalism will TRIUMPH and nation-states will become obsolete.
It is inevitable, give in now and accept the blue pill. For you are nothing but an old goat clinging onto the past.
Lives are a small price to pay for a changing world.
Luis Rodriguez
This one? If so, what a coincidence. Someone just sent this to me today
Isaiah Robinson
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Jeremiah Morris
>globalism will triumph >browsing pol B8 or newfag. Yet why would you want this? No system of government can govern every nation, the whole population of earth. Especially not the ones these (((globalists))) have in mind.
Gavin Taylor
Spare me that stupid meme, plebeian. If we are to conquer the stars and muster all of our resources, we must become One, together, under One World Government.
And yet you idiotic barbarians want to regress still in your crusader-like orgies.
I would've expected nothing less of mere idiots.
Nathaniel Wood
it might be an "implied" principle but it's rarely discussed because conversations rarely go beyond historical body counts
everything needs to being in it's proper order our discussion must involve people who are unfamiliar with talking points when we argue with libertarians, commies, caps it always starts from chapter 88 .. lol they'll never have the patience to sit through 87 other chapters
I realize I'm speaking a bit "philosophical" but it makes a lot of sense to me
I mean, how many of these threads begin and end exactly the same (because "normal" people see the word Fascist and never go beyond that word)
Jaxon Johnson
I will not speak to you anymore, you shit-gargling brute of old times. Let this conversation serve as a reminder of your idiocy and unwillingness to a more progressive, and sane means of politics.
>classic liberal >supporting marxist globalism ??????
Easton Barnes
I know its b8 but its still fun to do.
Oliver Howard
>"I lost but I don't want to admit defeat, so I'll pull the "you're too stupid to argue with" card. Besides, you could never grasp my superior intellect and progrssiveness" >*tips fedora*
Brayden Cox
I see your point, but that is my goal. To educate those "normal" people beyond the word and meaning of fascist.
if you truly believed that you'd be dead already (after all, don't you stand for something worth giving your life for?!)
you stand for nothing which is why you value others lives so little
that's where we differ you think there's a shortcut to your utopia
I know every step back to Natural Order is uphill Every life has been invested in, has value and purpose
as I said earlier everything is either an example to heed or to improve upon
to eliminate all the knowledge gained from others is to be a fool
and you are a fool
Brayden Rivera
NSBM, actual Fascist and NatSoc marches and songs, Naziwave, RAC and Oi!, etc. There's a lot of good music out there. I might post a few examples of each.
Zachary Nelson
Why should Private Property exist?
Hudson Baker
For actual fascist songs check out this guys channel
What good arguments can I give to convince leftists that totalitarianism will not be as bad as it is said to be?
Jacob Barnes
I think I've seen that channel before, its pretty good. I am in a Kik group that talks about Fascism and National Socialism, if you have Kik and are interested, Kik me at red_sun_rises
Elijah Baker
Also I love these generals! Good job OP never stop
Anthony Smith
if that is your goal you'll need to stop using words and labels they can never disassociate from the past
normis are capable of reason that's how you should approach communicating with them
like algebra (2 + X = 5) present to them the "knowns" (2) present to them the "results" (5) then they themselves must figure out the value of (X)
which is where Greek and Roman philosophy would help (Lucretius and Democritus)
Grayson Jackson
Oof, thats a hard one. Since all leftists are adamant on "individualism" I guess the most you could try and do is reverse it on them, the more extreme ones at least. Tell them how they wouldn't mind living in a leftist totalitarian state and practically push it already.
Anthony Jones
no another one. it was a faded picture (yellowish) and he was coming from the right side not the left
Dominic Morales
Any other clerical fascists out there?
Logan Miller
One strategy is explaining how to them the concepts and ideals of fascism (preferably national socialism as it has the few socialistic influences which appease to many norms) without telling them its national socialism or fascism. They usually agree with it, the look I'm their faces once you tell them what it really is is always priceless.
I considered being one for a time. Although I just came to the conclusion the church and state should remain separted.
Christian Cox
But on the surface they always argue for pluralism and democracy, not to mention Israel still has classical liberals. That's the thing that is hardest for people to accept. When I say, for example, that the state ought to regulate the spiritual and emotional strength of the citizens for the good of the individual amongst other things, they always emphasize how they don't want to be told what to do - so I guess I need an emotional argument to show them that they specifically will be comfortable with totalitarianism. I'm honestly kind of stuck on this point
Brayden Harris
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Aiden Baker
You might just need to go all out. Point out the flaws in a free will and individualistic society, use the many degenerative social problems in our world today was an example.
Jeremiah Myers
I flip flop on it. I like the idea of clerical fascism it but it seems doomed to fail in reality
Mason Rodriguez
I personally like it. I think it'd work fine too, would promote the upmost of moral values. Its just id rather keep the Chuch separated like I said.
