Thread for discussion of Italian Fascism, and other forms of fascism, Mosley, Codreanu, Falange, etc. Also for sharing fascist literature and information.
A Fascist general for Fascists and those interested
Be respectful and please try to keep conversations relatively "intellectual"
Good fascists/similar or influential people to get an introduction
Oswald Mosely Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera Benito Mussolini Adolf Hitler Stepan Bandera Corneliu Zelea Codreanu Salazar Ramiro Ledesma Ramos Ettore Ovazza Gaetano Mosca Friedrich Nietzsche Charles Maurras Enrico Corradini Filippo Tommaso Marinetti Johann Plenge Alceste De Ambris Gabriele d'Annunzio Juan Perón
Types of Fascism
Italian Falangism National-Syndicalism British Union National-Socialism Strasserism Meme futurism Clerical Fascism Brazilian Integralism Peronism
"[Fascism] was an explosion against intolerable conditions, against remediable wrongs which the old world failed to remedy. It was a movement to secure national renaissance by people who felt themselves threatened with decline into decadence and death and were determined to live, and live greatly."~Oswald Mosely
>CAPITALISM VS CORPORATISM >CAPITALISM "Capitalism is . . . a method of industrial production. To employ the most comprehensive definition: Capitalism is a method of mass production for mass consumption, financed en masse by the emission of private, national and international capital. Capitalism is therefore industrial and has not had in the field of agriculture any manifestation of great bearing.
I would mark in the history of capitalism three periods: the dynamic period, the static period and the period of decline. The dynamic period was that from 1830 to 1870. It coincided with the introduction of weaving by machinery and with the appearance of the locomotive. Manufacturing, the typical manifestation of industrial capitalism, expanded. This was the epoch of great expansion and hence of the law of free competition ; the struggle of all against all had full play. In this period there were crises, but they were cyclical crises, neither long nor universal. Capitalism still had such vitality and such power of recovery that it could brilliantly pravail.
There were also wars. They cannot be compared with the World War. They were brief. Even the War of 1870, with its tragic days at Sedan, took no more than a couple of seasons.
Jack Price
>CAPITALISM CONT the theorists of liberalism could say: "You, the State, have a single duty. It is to see to it that your administration does not in the least turn toward the economic sector. The better you govern the less you will occupy yourself with the problems of the economic realm." We find, therefore, that economy in all its forms was limited only by the penal and commercial codes. But after 1870, this epoch underwent a change. There was no longer the struggle for life, free competition, the selection of the strongest. There became manifest the first symptoms of the fatigue and the devolution of the capitalistic method. There began to be agreements, syndicates, corporations, trusts. One may say that there was not a sector of economic life in the countries of Europe and America where these forces which characterize capitalism did not appear.
What was the result? The end of free competition. Restricted as to its borders, capitalistic enterprise found that, rather than fight, it was better to concede, to ally, to unite by dividing the markets and sharing the profits. The very law of demand and supply was now no longer a dogma, because through the combines and the trusts it was possible to control demand and supply.
Samuel Murphy
>CORPORATISM "If today I am better off practically, I owe it to the institutions which the Fascist revolution has created."
We want the Italian workers, those who are interested in their status as Italians, as workers, as Fascists, to feel that we have not created institutions solely to give form to our doctrinal schemes, but in order, at a certain moment, to give positive, concrete, practical and tangible results.
Our State is not an absolute State. Still less is it an absolutory State,remote from men and armed only with inflexible laws, as laws ought to be. Our State is one organic, human State which wishes to adhere to the realities of life. . .
Today we bury economic liberalism. The corporation plays on the economic terrain just as the Grand Council and the militia play on the political terrain. Corporationism is disciplined economy, and from that comes control, because one cannot imagine a discipline without a director.
Corporationism is above socialism and above liberalism. A new synthesis is created. It is a symptomatic fact that the decadence of capitalism coincides with the decadence of socialism. All the Socialist parties of Europe are in fragments.
Kevin Turner
>CORPORATISM CONT We have rejected the theory of the economic man, the Liberal theory, and we are, at the same time, emancipated from what we have heard said about work being a business. The economic man does not exist; the integral man, who is political, who is economic, who is religious, who is holy, who is combative, does exist
Let us ask a final question: Can corporationism be applied to other countries? We are obliged to ask this question because it will be asked in all countries where people are studying and trying to understand us. There is no doubt that, given the general crisis of capitalism, corporative solutions can be applied anywhere. But in order to make corporationism full and complete, integral, revolutionary, certain conditions are required.
Christian Martin
>WHAT ARE THESE CERTAIN CONDITIONS? There must be a single party through which, aside from economic discipline, enters into action also political discipline, which shall serve as a chain to bind the opposing factions together, and a common faith.
But this is not enough. There must be the supremacy of the State, so that the State may absorb, transform and embody all the energy, all the interests, all the hopes of a people.
Still, not enough. The third and last and the most important condition is that there must be lived a period of the highest ideal tension.
We are now living in this period of high, ideal tension. It is because step by step we give force and consistency to all our acts; we translate in part all our doctrine. How can we deny that this, our Fascista, is a period of exalted, ideal tension?
No one can deny it. This is the time in which arms are crowned with victory. Institutions are remade, the land is redeemed, cities are founded.
Hudson Flores
>CORPORATISM EXPLAINED Corporatism was invented for fascism by National Syndicalists. Corporatism is the main economic system a facist society will use. The goal of corporatism is to bring every major interest group or "corporate group" into working towards a common goal for the state. This allows for the state to easily regulate every corporate group and decide what is "good" and what is "harmful" for the state, anything deemed harmful will be banned by the state.
Jack Foster
Why do you guys like fascism? Honest question. It seems to be the hip, cool thing to do , but in a fascist state you wouldn't be allowed to criticize your government, most of the shit you enjoy would be outlawed, etc. For example, this forum wouldn't exist. It really seems like just a bunch of kids role-playing because they lack the will to reach their potential and need daddy government to beat them into doing it.
Josiah Harris
>being materialistic I'd give up anything to establish a fascist state. The founding our free liberal society that we live in today is the reason why we have these degenerative problems in the world. Society day by day decaying away. Morals being tossed out the window. Aggressive liberalism being shoved down our throats. Free will and individualism are the causes of these things. They apply to our human nature of greed and selfishness, wanting more and more. The "goal" of fascism per say is to eventually get rid of fascism. To change the human way of thinking and natural instinct.
Anthony Bailey
Great post, have a bump
Evan Cooper
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John Turner
I'm not familiar with Codreanu. How he dealt with the gypsy population problems?
Lincoln Nguyen
You know I'm not sure if they were a big problem in Romania then. I've never read anything on what he thought of gypsies, he considered jews in his country to be the main threat.
Jackson Rodriguez
I would support Fascism because my biggest qualm about modernity isn't the racemixing specifically, but it's the dysgenics achieved in the current welfare state. I think that even white ethnostates can deteriorate racially if the dysgenics problem isn't adequately examined and dealt with.
Gavin Mitchell
You are not supposed to criticize anything without being part of a specific corporation who is assigned to do the task. Participate or shut up. That's the point.
Jaxon Sanders
Gypsies don't work, they can only dance and steal, work is against their culture. And they roam, they don't give a shit about the nation and consider themselves a race apart, just like joos.
I was not able to find anything too. Just wonder if Codreanu simply ignored the problem and let them starve or was actively trying to kill these rats.
Landon Sullivan
*raises paw* is natsoc included under /fsg/ or should it have a separate thread?
Jaxson Bennett
He never entered power, he was assassinated by the more centrist government and the King who saw him as a threat.
Austin Ross
National socialism and fascism have about different approaches. The first promotes the power of the party, the other the power of the state.
Robert Hernandez
You should probably read the first post.
Wyatt Adams
But he must have had a position regarding the gypsies problem.
Nathaniel Gonzalez
Indeed, just the results of a completely "modernist" and "progressive" state. Fascism aims to have a perfect balance of traditionalism, and modernism.
Michael Morris
I read For My Legionaries and I honestly cannot remember him mentioning them, he focused mainly on the problems regarding communist-jewish infiltration and influence on Romania.
Jonathan Campbell
>raises paw stop
But natsocs are welcome here, I've made a fascist general because natsocs have the nsg, which pertains only to national socialist literature and information. I want this to branch to Italian fascism and the other types of fascism.
Chase Bell
So handsome. This belongs in /hm/
Lucas Ramirez
Fascism breeds strong men
Gavin Garcia
How flexible should our neo-fascism be? Should property rights be maintained? Gun rights?
John Anderson
Property rights and gun rights are already apart of fascism.
Adam Nguyen
>Property rights? Yes, off course, just put a cap on how much rich you can be. People need to hope in a better life, and the best of us should be able to obtain it.
>Gun rights? Also yes. Have you done your service in the army? Have you been dismissed without any dishonor? Then you can keep guns.
Julian Campbell
>healthy sexuality >healthy masculinity >no healthy femininity in sight
What did they mean by this?
Jose Long
Masculine men promote feminine women.
Cooper Jackson
Thats actually an excellent point. I worry that feminism has utterly poisoned western women and it will take a few generations to remove it. Thanks chaps, just wanted to set the record. What about race? Should immigration and race mixing be allowed? How about just race-mixing, or even marriage to another ethnicity? I feel like Codreanu was right regarding preserving the ethnicity, but allowing people to marry into it's legacy as long as they honor it.
Andrew Ortiz
>healthy femininity my 2 cents:
healty femininity is not a clear term and may be intended as traditional gender role of mother, as strong woman with morals and principle, but also as a liberated woman who fuck everyone in sight just because she can and her vagina give her the right. It only depend on the reader.
Alexander Adams
Stupid question but does anyone have a link to Codex Fascismo?
Cameron Johnson
Damn, according to OP's pic I'm a fascist. Oh well
Austin Wood
I really wish Schleicher or Papen had managed to split the Nazis and establish a more moderate authoritarian government.
Yes, Hitler, Goebbels etc were more right in calling out the Jew, but they were too reckless.
Nicholas Turner
I feel race mixing is acceptable to an extent. For example white with black or asian wouldn't be allowed. I'd prefer if people stayed within their races similar bone structure. Caucasoid sticking with Caucasoid bone structure. Negroid sticking with negroid bone structure, and so on.
Chase Long
Embrace it friend
Aiden Anderson
I do not right now, trying to find one for it.
Isaiah Gomez
Immigration: Not in Europe, they will be removed, all of them. Idk in USA, you are a bit different, but being invaded by Mexico must not be allowed.
Race mixing should be allowed, but you can't give citizenship to the offspring of such relations. You can't trust them to be loyal to the country, Wait few generations before giving them any rights. Also your citizen who race mix should lose some legal rights.
Caleb Roberts
They couldn't afford to be split at the time and neither can we. Hitler did what he thought was best, and unfortunately made a few mistakes that cost him the war. You have to think though if it weren't for a few mistakes he made he would've won.
Dominic Thompson
Also strict, heavily restricted immigration.
Adam Brooks
I agree, but I feel like Asian/Middle Easterner/European admixtures can mix to an extent, personally I am interested in the maintaining ethnic purity WHILE recognizing contributors or men who marry outside for love.
Of course no jews.
How do you guys feel about Trump? Some people think he is an inroads for us to mainstream, others think he is a false con man.
Ryan Nguyen
This board shouldn't need to exist. If we lived in a fascist state ran according to natural order, there would be nothing to complain about.
Jace Rogers
Trump is nothing but a morale boost for whites. It's nice that "our guy" won, but really, he won't enact any meaningful change. The entire system needs to be burned to the ground. Posting some IronMarch (best fascist forum) pics btw.
Evan Hill
Indeed, middle easterners and northern indians have Caucasoid bone structure. But Asians are of mongoloid structure, so I'd be a bit iffy. I have my doubts about Trump but I hope his presidency will only lead to greater things.
